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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 02-18-2003 04:58 PM
   
The majority of chemtrails that I have witnessed in the past are usually E-W/W-E, but some are runing N-S, in fact the very first chemtrail that I ever witnessed on Sept. 27/00 was in fact running North to South. While chatting with Jay Reynolds about this he ascribed this phenomenon to the Great Circle Route. Perhaps PHXPilot, or someone else familiar in this area could give the rest of us the low-down on this Route?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-18-2003 05:49 PM
The great circle route is not a single route. The "Great circle route" is really just the shortest distance between 2 points on the earth. You may notice that, if you look at an airliners flight path on a flat map, it does not go straight. It looks curved. That is because we are not able to accuratly transfer a map of the earth, which is a sphere, onto a flat surface. So when the line looks curved on a flat map, it is actually straight, and therefore the shortest route.Anyway, if you looked at a flight plan that goes from Seattle to New York on a flat map you might think that it would travel through Iowa, because that is straight beween the two locations, but because of the great circle, the shortest route actually takes you much further north through northern Minnesota! Anyway, that a brief description of the great circle 
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 02-18-2003 06:11 PM
Aha, thank you PHXPilot!
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concerned mom
Senior Member
Palm Springs,CA
39 posts, May 2002
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posted 02-19-2003 04:38 AM
OK, thank you for that report on flight patterns. By the way, I have seen the long trails go in other directions about 2% of the time. But on the days that these trails are laid with vigor(vigor being thick,horizon to horizon trails,with planes coming over the eastern mountain, one after another,sometimes only a minute apart following( practically)
in the former plane's trail.), they are almost always going east to west and lately they have been predominently appearing over the same mountain ridge give or take a few miles!
In fact today I saw one plane flying beside the other, and guess what kids... one left its" never ending" trail while the other left NOTHING! oh, excuse me, maybe they were using different FUELS! Forgive my sarcasm, I really take this seriously and appreciate everyones efforts. A subject like this can give rise to craziness, I understand that foolish theories can take flight. With that said, I DO- like to stick with the observable facts!! I would truly love to find that all of the Chemtrail theories are wrong. That it is all a silly misunderstanding. I am a rational person of sound mind. I want so very much to believe that everyone loves life and humanity as I do. I think to myself, how rediculous it is to think that something underhanded is going on.If there "is", an agenda, I prefer the theories that tell of spraying for our environmental or national security(i.e. the exotic weapons theory...uhhh, something about one part of a not yet fully deployed system designed to stop icbm's(sp.?)(whatever that is)in the boost phase. ect. ect. BUT whether for good or ill intent, whether it fact or fiction, I remain a concerned mom because, Im noticing,(and digitally documenting,taking pics for a year now and no Im not obsessed, think of it as an environmental study)the undeniable patterns that keep pointing me to the notion that chemtrails are not contrails. One of the major pattern is how much the air has changed in my desert in the last 3 or so years. ie. when I moved here in 1995 I complained the first couple of years about the fact that there was virtually no clouds practically the entire summer.( our summers' high- temps average 115F) the last 3 years the summers have been the same except that a few times each month june-aug on days that started out hot and dry not a cloud to be seen those "daring young men in there flying machines" laid out their horizon to horizon- "snail trails" and brought the morning blue sky to white by sundown. the trails appearing to follow the path of the sun only reversed. Also the ground hovering,lingering milky white haze that only seems to appear after heavy Spray sessions was non existent when I first lived here. days I have more but Im tired. so I will close with 3 questions... #1why the weather changes and #2 how come not one of you has yet addressed my previous point that I see the tailing contrails amongst the CHEMTRAILLLLS, in our winter months but I ONLY see the latter in the scorching summer? ( make it good) thank you ! #3 what am I supposed to type to geet my pics in my post, last I tried I lost my whole message!!! a picture is worth a th. words and Ive got dates, time frames, and shots of normal vs abnormal conditions!
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 02-19-2003 05:40 PM
>>#3 what am I supposed to type to geet my pics in my post, last I tried I lost my whole message!!!<<CMom type in [img] before the image URL and [/img] after the URL.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 02-19-2003 06:19 PM
And if you upload a pic to ctc to imagae database, right click on the image itself, not the link to the image, to get the url.
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concerned mom
Senior Member
Palm Springs,CA
39 posts, May 2002
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posted 02-25-2003 01:47 AM
Thank you LuLu, although I still dont know the abbreviated terms i.e. "ctc" put it this way,I have my pics on my desktop: what do I do next.(I am mostly comp. illiterate!)Please respond thank you. Also..SOMEONE...anyone have an answer to my question in my last post regarding the fact that contrails,normal and persistant trails share the air here in the winter but not in the 100+degree summer when there are only the persistent trails that bring a clear day overcast? I have pictures from last summer I will upload as soon as I get further,needed directions. Come on guys, I feel it is a good question and no one except LULU has posted in the last week!!! THANK YOU!
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 02-25-2003 04:56 PM
>>I have my pics on my desktop<<hmmmm I have my photos in My Pictures which I click on the folder (on my desktop) to get in...do your pictures have file names? you need a file name to upload a picture to Chemtrail Central (CTC) Image Database...bring the pics up and find out CMom. All the instructions for uploading are found if you click on the link top left. Just make sure the file sizes aren't WAY BIG, if that is the case --too big to upload and you don't have resizing software-- e-mail the pic(s) to FLK00k, who is our Image Database Editor, and she will resize and upload for you. If you need further clarification let me know.
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WayneO
New Member
Scotts Valley, Calif. in the good old US of A
2 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 02:56 AM
Hi Folks! I'm a newbie here, but not to life. My wife and I are in our late 50's. I'm a Navy Vietnam vet. When we were kids we saw contrails. In my service time, I saw contrails. BUT... Over the last ~10 years we have seen contrails AND CHEMTRAILS. Contrails DO NOT spread across the canopy to produce an overcast sky. You can produce all the photos of WWII bombers contrails, or "modern Airbus", that you want, but you CANNOT show them at altitude spreading to completely shroud the sky! Unless, that is, you fake them... What is it with some of you? Are you so young that you don't know?
Do any of you so-called "debunkers" know that the federal government can spray whatever they want over a major population center just to observe the results? YES, it is a federal law! Has anyone heard of HAARP?
Those who brainlessly follow the federal government's line are ignorant of history, and deserve a "Darwin Award", but must not be allowed to take the rest of us with them...Wayne Orwig
Scotts Valley, Ca
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-01-2003 11:59 AM
Hi WaynoO...welcome aboard! I'm sure your post will be stiring up some questions/comments from both sides.>>Has anyone heard of HAARP?<< I think we all have heard of HAARP...are you saying HAARP is involved? I can't argue with the fact that as a child I never witnessed lingering and spreading trails. From Sept. 2000 until last summer chemtrails were frequently seen over Kelowna, but for the last 7 or 8 months have seen none. Isn't that ODD Wayne??
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-01-2003 12:12 PM
Hello Wayne. And welcome.
I live in N. Calif and I can assure you that, unlike Canada?, there is no shortage of chemtrails here. Daily. Like yesterday for instance. Complete coverage of the sky with one of the biggest 'sundogs' I have ever seen
Today at 10 a.m., they have started again.
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Feelin Kocky
A Member
Underground Weather Control Bunker
537 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 02:33 PM
Q: why a sundog?A: WATER F.K.
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-01-2003 02:41 PM
Q.Why sundog?A. Chemtrails
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Feelin Kocky
A Member
Underground Weather Control Bunker
537 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 02:51 PM
Explain how light refraction of chemtrails works exactly the same as water, please.
F.K.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Feelin Kocky on 03-01-2003]
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Zerozulu
New Member
6 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-09-2003 11:15 AM
Interesting
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concerned mom
Senior Member
Palm Springs,CA
39 posts, May 2002
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posted 03-10-2003 04:34 PM
Hello, anyone there? ,Got an answer for little ol me? I,m feeling alienated make up an answer to my previous question! anything!!)it takes me a long time to get to this forum Ive been checking back a couple weeks now! THANK YOU!
[Edited 1 times, lastly by concerned mom on 03-10-2003]
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-10-2003 06:23 PM
HI MOM
In response to your above post, what your
possibly seeing is different humidity levels
at different elevations hence the difference
in the length of the trails your witnessing.
The second is usually in the summer months
you get more of a tropical air or should I
say with the warmer air you'll see higher
humidity levels, more so than you will in the winter.
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concerned mom
Senior Member
Palm Springs,CA
39 posts, May 2002
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posted 03-10-2003 06:43 PM
Thaank you Prof. Is this true even in 100+ degree days in Dessert(Palm Springs,CA) with the localpaper recording O precipitation.Horizen to horizen blue cloudless sky trails start in morn by end of day a whiteuot all trail induced? (I know because Iphotographed pics in sequence over 9hour piriod) Every time I try to upload pics to image database the screen is black on comp. It wont take meto members area. I really want to show y'all what I have documented!
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-10-2003 06:51 PM
Well to my understanding contrails don't or
are not supposed to create clouds, if so we
woulda through time been calling jets cloud
makers. I know there different humidity levels at various elevations but contrails
will usually evaporate within seconds of
dispersion. But if you start to notice a
very high rate of irregular flight paths
then perhaps and in my opinion given what
has been happening on a wide scale is there
is a spray operation going on in your area.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-10-2003 06:53 PM
I just emailed FL KOOK she might be able to help you on your uploading. thats not my field.
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