posted 02-28-2003 09:42 PM            

PROFESSOR!!! Answer yes or no to the following questions:

1. Is this streaming video on a website?
If the answer is yes, then it resides at an address. You say that it wont allow you to watch the video because it says "File not found". This indicates that you have the address of the site the video resides on. I dont care if it lets you download the video on the site. For you to know that it is not letting you download, you must be on the main website, because that is where it is hosted at.

Follow these instructions: Look at the address in the address box that appears when you visit the site that has the video (regardless if its working or not). Copy the URL. Paste it on this thread.

posted 02-28-2003 10:14 PM            

Well, it took you 7 days, but you finally figured out how to post a link. Im proud of you Prof.

I will do some research and see whats up with the video.

posted 02-28-2003 10:22 PM            

And I got 5 responses. And those were in response to "airliners" and how their fares are too high. Ill see if I can contact them and ask them if they have recently had streaming video available on their site that focused on "chemtrails" or contrails.

posted 03-03-2003 10:27 AM            

But PHX Pilot why is there one set of rules for talking to people who appear on television and another set of rules for talking to people who don't appear on television?

When talking to people in the former category do you have to be like those politicians who only agree to do prerecorded programmes where they can get their script from a teleprompter?

posted 03-06-2003 03:12 AM            

Is it "globalists" or "US patriots" that are behind the project?

The PRIN group are a "leftist" split from the formerly pro-Moscow Greek Communist Party. They have not been adopted/co-opted by globalist elements in the "International Community" the way that many other currents on the Left have been. In fact they are almost totally out of the game and on a wavelength of their own.

posted 03-18-2003 06:24 AM            

WH

My reply to Holbecq:

I'll convey this message to him to see what his response is. Are you going to stick around for the answers, or did you just plan to drop your bomb and fly off?

WH

--- In simpolicies-general@yahoogroups.com, "A-J HOLBECQ" wrote:
> Bonjour
>
> Désolé de répondre en francais, mais il faut arrêter cette sornette
>
> Un de mes amis vient de fouiller à ma demande plus de 300 sites sur le Web
> situés à
> ou parlant de Espanola (Ontario: une jolie petite ville sur
> le Lac Ontario dans la région de Penetanguishene); tous les
> messages parlant d'une pétition étaient signés de William
> Thomas, tous les articles de journaux qui parlent de cette
> pétition citent ce même type comme source de leur information.
> Pas trace d'autre info sur le web canadien à ce sujet, sauf
> un article mentionnant la réponse du ministère canadien de
> l'environnement au sujet des contrails dans la région en
> question: à l'analyse ils contiennent des particules de
> carbone (de la suie) provenant de mauvaises conditions dans
> la combustion du carburant, plus des traces de chaff (fins
> éclats de feuillets d'aluminium utilisés pour tromper les
> radars) provenant des manoeuvres militaires faites par les
> avions de la base militaire de Penetanguishene, à quelques
> kilomètres de là. Rien que de très normal.
>
> Ceci dit, oui, il existe aux US, en UK, en France et en Russie
> des programmes de contrôle militaire du climat. Grosso modo,
> ça ne fonctionne pas comme on veut et ça n'a d'effet que très
> localement.
>
> Quand aux quelques 700 avions servant selon William Thomas à
> refroidir le climat, c'est de la connerie pure et simple.
> Faisons le calcul: chacun de ces avions dépose une trail qui
> fait (une heure plus tard) au mieux 100 mètres de large.
> En les faisant voler d'Est en Ouest au-dessus du Canada,
> puis retour, une fois par jour, cela couvrirait une bande de
> 2 * 700 * 0.1 km de large, soit 140 km de largeur.
> Mesure faite, dans l'ombre de ces trails la lumière baisse
> d'environ 5 % une heure après le passage de l'avion.
> En admettant que la contrail reste en l'air tout le jour,
> cela diminuerait de 5% la lumière sur une surface équivalente
> à moins de 10 % de la surface du Canada, ne laissant aucun
> avion disponible pour "protéger" les USA (ils sont pris à
> temps plein au dessus du Canada, n'est-ce pas).
> On verrait donc la lumière totale baisser de 0.5 % dans nos
> régions, ce qui devrait faire décroître la végétation. Or
> l'étude de la végétation au Canada montre exactement l'inverse:
> le couvert végétal augmente à un taux d'environ 1% par an
> (malgré les coupes forestières) et la masse végétale totale
> augmente encore bien plus vite (on parle de plus de 2 % l'an).
> De plus les statistiques d'ensoleillement (durée de lumière
> solaire directe) et d'insolation (quantité de lumière arrivant
> au sol) de Météo Canada sont formelles: l'ensoleillement annuel
> est en croissance régulière depuis le début des années 80, il
> en va de même pour l'insolation annuelle, sur tout le pays.
>
> William Thomas me semble donc agiter un épouvantail mort-né. ;^)
>
> Amicalement,
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : halva_gr [mailto:halva@h...]
> Envoyé : dimanche 16 mars 2003 01:06
> À : simpolicies-general@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : [simpolicies-general] Transcription of Will Thomas documentary
> soundtrack
>
>
> This is a transcription of the soundtrack of the Will Thomas
> documentary, currently being translated into Greek:
>
> Chemtrails: Mystery Lines in the Sky
>
> How often have you stood looking up at more jet trails than you ever
> remember seeing before? Unlike normal contrails, which are usually

posted 04-18-2003 10:14 AM            

Not that I'm sure that that is here, but one can only hope.

I'd prefer you didn't give PHX Pilot an incentive to come to either of these Greek threads, since I'd like if possible to keep debate focused on what we who live here perceive as important rather than what he does.

We can't count on getting scientists to come and waste their time here just for the sake of getting PHX off our back.

posted 05-04-2003 06:19 AM            

GREAT ECOLOGICAL CRIME
CRIMINAL SILENCE OF THOSE RESPONSIBLE

With amazement we read in the "Ethnos" of Sunday 16th February 36 the following news item:

"Indeed two months ago, without there being any warning to residents, it was observed that such spraying took place over Aigina" in an article by the journalist Giannis Kritikos referring to experimental spraying with aluminium oxide in mixtures that are particularly dangerous. This spraying is taking place experimentally as a counter-measure to the greenhouse phenomenon.

Instead of limiting, as they should, on the basis of international agreements, the emissions of industrial pollutants, the big capitalist countries have chosen this dangerous spraying as a cheaper solution, without taking into account their consequences for human and the environment. Headaches, dizziness and loss of memory are some of the symptoms from similar spraying which took place in Ontario, Canada, where the danger limits for aluminium in the atmosphere were also exceeded. And there have been fellow citizens of ours who have seen the relevant aircraft doing the rounds in the skies over Aigina.

So we have become guinea pigs against our will. Who allowed something like this to happen, turning Aigina into a gas chamber? Why are the authorities silent? Why are the Municipality, the local organizations and the local press inert? Are we so helpless that we just accept such criminal activity at our expense?

Here and now the political responsibilities must be sought out of the government that allowed this spraying to be carried out. Truly, by whom and for whom is it taking place, without our permission?

Unless some people think that with this spraying people will forget what they are going through because of its policies, and will vote for it again.

posted 07-11-2003 09:17 AM            

"And on top of all that, we're being sprayed"

These blasts against the health of humans and all living organisms may come from anywhere (wars, Concorde, the unsolved problem of rubbish....) The length of the list obliges us for lack of space to deal with very few of them, for the moment.

The latest threat that we have fished up from the Internet and the press (referring to an article published in "Ethnos" in February [W.H.]) is called chemtrails: chemical traces left behind by American military aircraft spraying viruses as they experiment (?) over our heads with pneumonia, influenza, depression...

When they set out on these spraying missions, these planes leave just a dense wavy line, with 'tails' underneath. These lines take between three and eight hours to dissolve, unlike normal jet exhaust which from two to twenty minutes at most.

The first report comes from January 1999 from the Canadian investigative journalist William Thomas, who also claims paternity for the word chemtrails. Between 1997 and 1999 there was an explosion of reports of strange epidemic of flu or unknown strains of pneumonia filling up the big hospitals. Despite efforts of doctors it wasn't possible to identify the pathogen. Some of the weaker groups in the populatiaon, such as the elderly, children, or people with weakened immune systems suffered more serious symptoms and some died.

CRI (Chemtrail Related Illness) is a new term which has menacingly entered the vocabulary of Americans in recent years. And not only Americans, but also Canadians, French people, English people, Germans, Dutch people, Italians, Spaniards, Swedes, Croats, South Africans, Mexicans, Australians, New Zealanders and Haitians. This year it entered our vocabulary too. In February they sprayed Aigina.

posted 09-10-2003 06:58 AM            

Much of the information it contains has already been made available in Greek in the mass circulation newspaper "Ethnos" and in the more activist magazine "Schedia sta anoichta tis Aiginas" of the Aigina Citizens' Initiative.

"Aiginaia" is a more 'upmarket' publication. That is the main difference.

posted 10-14-2003 04:08 AM            

Thank you Poison for your apt comments on PHX Pilot.

posted 02-29-2004 04:18 PM            

Climatic Change
The Pentagon Report and the Greek Left

By Giorgos Mitralias and Gerasimos Sklavounos

The Pentagon report on climatic changes and their cataclysmic consequences, published by the English ‘Observer’ newspaper and reprinted by dozens of newspapers throughout the world (including a number of Greek newspapers) justifiably had a significant impact not so much because it revealed something staggeringly new but rather for four other reasons: a) because it comes from the heart of the American military establishment, b) because it was studiously buried by President Bush and his collaborators, c) because its content comes into total contradiction with the environmental policy of the White House, and d) because it overturns the priorities of American policy, identifying the consequences of climatic change as the foremost and greatest threat to the ‘national security of the USA’.

For start, what impresses is the identity of the authors and their mentor, who is not just anybody. He is the genuine brains of American foreign and defence policy of the last three decades, Andrew Marshall (82 years of age), who commissioned it, and is also the guiding light of the Pentagon’s all-powerful Office of Net Assessment and at the same time the strongman of the Bush government’s military options. As for its authors, their biography speaks for itself. Peter Schwarz is a CIA agent but above all the former planning head of the big multinational oil company shell, and Doug Randall is a prominent executive of Global Business Network, which promotes the interests of American industrialists (particularly in California) at the World Trade Organization.

Given the identity of the authors, who express the views of the elite of the American capitalist establishment, the second point which impresses is the content of the report and the categorical statements of the report. The (logical) conclusion is simple: when this establishment of the international superpower – or even a section of it – does not merely press the emergency button but proceeds to extract conclusions, proposing overturn of the priorities of planetary politics, this is a fact which no-one can ignore. Specifically, when the report goes so far as to say that ‘a scenario of imminent catastrophic climate change could well undermine the security of the United States’, given that it ‘is an unprecedented threat against national security because there is no enemy we can point our weapons at and we have no capacity to control this threat,’ then we have not merely one more, the newest, confirmation of the seriousness of the dangers entailed by runaway climatic change but also something more: the immediate obligation of the Left and the social movements to include in their strategic calculations the emergent willingness of American imperialism to ‘confront’ the problem in its own barbaric way.

And at this point there is a first sobering finding to be revealed. Although we are at the climax of the pre-election showdown in our country, the Greek Left betrays a total ignorance not only of the mother of all problems: global warming and its nightmarish consequences for the planet and its inhabitants but also the policies being adopted by its class enemy (at both international and national level) to deal with it. We hasten to add that the consequences of this (long-term) backwardness could prove fatal for the Left, at many different levels. For a start, because it deprives it of the ability to intervene with its own analyses and above all its own alternative proposals and movement actions in relation to what is already happening in front of our eyes: desertification, droughts, floods, heat waves and other ‘unprecedented disasters’ (in reality extreme climatic phenomena) which with ever greater frequency befall our country. The result is pitiful: while the social and economic cost of these ‘extreme climatic phenomena’ becomes increasingly unbearable, creating a chronic political problem, the Left leaves the two-headed monster of Greek neo-liberalism free to shrug off its (criminal) responsibility and at the same time to unload onto the shoulders of the weakest sectors of society the cost of the ‘natural’ disasters. But this is not all. Permanently ignoring what should be its privileged terrain of action, the Left loses an unprecedented historic opportunity to place actively in question the ideological hegemony of its opponent and at the same time take upon itself its own historical tasks. And this is so for a very simple and easily comprehensible reason: because the greenhouse phenomenon, global warming and climatic change are by their nature insusceptible of solution without an overturn of the prevailing economic system that is causing them.

To give just one example: given that we have to do with a threat which knows neither customs controls nor borders, for the first time in human history there is posed not only objectively but also more urgently and self-evidently than ever for billions of our fellow human beings the question of international (European, global) democratic economic planning for the sake of averting the imminent disaster. Which means that together with that there is posed imperceptibly, and in front of huge audiences, the number one question of human emancipation: who decides, and how? To give an answer not only to Rosa Luxemburg’s well-known dilemma of ‘socialism or barbarism’ but also to the literally existential question ‘eco-socialism or extinction of the human race’ of our nightmarish neo-liberal times…