posted 02-28-2003 07:27 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by the professor:
It dosen't make it moral! It's still murder,
whats your point?

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You don't even read you own posts, do you?

>>Maybe if activists
started organizing like the anti abortion
crowd and chained themselves up on the
capitols doors and stuck together in large
numbers things might well change.<<

F.K.

posted 02-28-2003 07:57 AM            

That was meant to be a clue.

Also, I have never met a pilot or ground crew person who thinks "something is going on." There have been just a few on this board (None verified that I know). Clue #2

The pilots on this board (none verified either to be fair but they have been accepted as pilots.) claim that they don't know anyone that thinks "something is going on." Clue #3.

posted 03-02-2003 09:26 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Feelin Kocky:
>>FK- Also, I have never met a pilot or ground crew person who thinks "something is going on." There have been just a few on this board (None verified that I know). Clue #2

The pilots on this board (none verified either to be fair but they have been accepted as pilots.) claim that they don't know anyone that thinks "something is going on." Clue #3.

F.K.

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While I understand your statement, you base your conclusions on the limited number of pilots you know, and even fewer you may have discussed this with. The results of your poll are not necessarily indicative of the population of pilots at large.

Go to google.com and conduct a search on "chemtrail". You will come up with roughly 19,600 hits. Type in "pilots against chemtrails", and you will come up with 843 hits. From this we can conclude that some pilots DO IN FACT recognize chemtrails as something unprecedented, and that "something is going on".

Either the phenomenon exists, or the 19,600 people who have taken the time to post on the web are all idiots.

posted 03-02-2003 10:05 AM            

Example: "Santa". # of hits on google: 17,100,000 (!)

"Humans Against Santa": # of Hits: 117,000

From this we can conclude that some humans DO IN FACT recognize santa as something unprecedented, and that "something is going on".

posted 03-02-2003 10:11 AM            

The dozen or so pilots I've spoken with, who have heard of chemtrails, think it is a crock. When I mentioned it to a couple of others, they say they haven't seen anything unusal (one of them flies about 6 days a week all over over North America). How big a sample does it take for someone to claim that the huge vast majority of pilots think there is nothing "going on?"

posted 03-02-2003 01:26 PM            

Their usual reaction to chemtrails: *laugh* thats insane."

posted 03-02-2003 01:34 PM            

Two of his pictures...

12/17/2001
Above the Veteran's Memorial

This famous one (including Alcon's hand) is on our home page, as well as an avatar...

posted 03-02-2003 04:52 PM            

Alive asked Kucinich why he would introduce a bill banning so-called chemtrails when the U.S. government routinely denies such things exist and the U.S. Air Force has routinely called chemtrail sightings “a hoax.”

“The truth is there’s an entire program in the Department of Defense, ‘Vision for 2020,’ that’s developing these weapons,” Kucinich responded. Kucinich says he plans to reintroduce a broader version of the bill later this month. “Plasma, electromagnetics, sonic or ultrasonic weapons [and] laser weapons systems” were among those banned by HR 2977.

Two scientists working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base informed Alive of the ongoing secret experiments, one involving weather modification and the other involving the creation of an aerial antenna using a barium stearate chemical trail. The scientists referred to the work of legendary inventor Nikola Tesla. Before Ronald Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative (or “Star Wars”), there was Tesla’s vision of high-tech space-based warfare and weather modification.

According to Tesla biographer Margaret Cheney, federal agents seized Tesla’s papers after his death in 1943. “[At] least one set of Tesla’s papers had reached Wright Field [now Wright Patterson Air Force Base],” Cheney wrote. The Aeronautic Systems Division at Wright Patterson admitted it had the Tesla papers but claim they were “destroyed.”

However, Tesla’s dream is embodied in a glossy brochure titled “Vision for 2020” released by the U.S. Space Command in 1998. The brochure states, “The emerging synergy of space superiority with land, sea and air superiority will lead to Full Spectrum Dominance.”

The Space Command spells out its purpose pretty plainly: “Dominating the space dimension of military operations to protect U.S. interests and investment.”

There’s nothing new here, for those who have been paying attention. In the 1970s, Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, bluntly stated in his book Between Two Ages, “Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need to be appraised… [T]echniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm.”

On January 4 this year, Canadian Professor Michel Chossudovsky, of the Center for Research on Globalization at the University of Ottawa, issued a report noting that weapons have the ability to trigger climate changes. “Both the Americans and the Russians have developed capabilities to manipulate the world’s climate. In the U.S., the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI),” Chossudovsky wrote. “Recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is fully operational and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction.”

Doubters of the military’s secret plans should refer to George and Meredith Friedman’s The Future of War, Power, Technology and American World Dominance in the 21st Century. The Friedmans, government-touted “arms experts” and favorites of the military-industrial complex, assert that “The American experience of power will rest on the domination of space.”

The U.S. Air Force giddily embraced the Friedmans’ thesis in the 1996 report “New World Vistas: Air And Space Power For The 21st Century.” The Air Force report notes, “In the next two decades, new technologies will allow the fielding of space-based weapons of devastating effectiveness to be used to deliver energy and mass as force projection in tactical and strategic conflict.”

State University of New York Professor of Journalism Karl Grossman, writing in 1999, revealed how the mainstream corporate press virtually ignores the government’s pronouncements while trade journals like Space News, Defense News, Aviation Week, Space Technology and Electronic Engineering Times routinely report on the military-industrial complex’s high-tech breakthroughs.

As for chemtrail skeptics, they might want to consult Rutgers University Political Science Professor Leonard Cole’s book Clouds of Secrecy: The Army’s Germ Warfare Test Over Populated Areas. Chemtrail deniers are apparently happy with the thought that their beloved paternalistic government would engage in aerial spraying over densely populated areas.

U.S. Representative Marty Sabo, a Democrat from Minnesota, denounced “the secret Army program to spray Minneapolis and other cities with chemicals in the 1950s and ’60s,” the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported in September 1994. “The idea that the government would use its own citizens as guinea pigs is appalling, and I condemn it in the strongest possible terms,” Sabo told a House subcommittee investigating the secret spraying, which used fluorescent tracers to mark wind patterns.

As for the Army, it argues that the secret Cold War-era spraying was not “human experimentation” since it didn’t target any specific individuals and the zinc cadmium sulfide used was harmless. But the International Agency for Research on Cancer lists all cadmium compounds as known cancer-causing agents.

Former students of Clinton Elementary in south Minneapolis told an investigating panel from the National Research Council that the Army’s secret chemical spraying adversely affected their health, according to the Star Tribune.

Skeptics who continue to insist the government would never be involved in secret aerial spraying, particularly in Ohio, may want to address their questions to the C-130 aircrews from the 910th Airlift Wing stationed at Youngstown’s Air Reserve Station. In July 2000, an Air Force press release bragged, “Fifteen service members from military installations in Germany and England were at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, 8-12 May, learning how to use chemicals to destroy the enemy… The seven airmen and eight soldiers learned how to plan, execute and oversee the entire process of applying pesticides by air.” The press release said the Youngstown air unit will only be used against “insects with their deadly diseases.”

Apparently insects take many forms. During the Seattle demonstrations against the World Trade Organization in November 1999, CNN reported that a military air unit with pathogen capacity to induce sickness in humans was deployed against the demonstrators.

Originating web page

posted 03-02-2003 05:07 PM            

This statement is completely true. Except the part about how HAARP can trigger floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes or that it is a WMD. Other than that, quite true.