posted 02-27-2003 02:15 AM            

Nice to see a pilot that acknowledges that 'somethings up'.

Pretty obvious for those of us who get outside.

A recent petition has been circulated from this website north of the 49th
http://www.holmestead.ca/

I'm sure there's much more to come.

Will Thomas guests Coast to Coast AM as we type, hopefully exposing this to 30 million observant intelligent folk.

If I can offer more, I will.

posted 02-27-2003 03:47 AM            

I'm listening to the show right now, myself, and I just hope people will think objectively about this, before they run off and join some protest group. Let’s do some critical thinking first. Thomas seems to have taken the position that "chemtrails" could be a multitude of things from atmospheric modification to the theory of over-the-horizon radar in conjunction with HAARP....yet he states each one as if it were proven fact. Now, this should cause some red flags to go up for reasonable, thinking people. Either he knows for certain or he doesn't. You can't just state something as if it was fact in one instance, and then take the stance that it could be something else in the other instance. Is it weather modification...OR is it something else?

I think that of all the theories, maybe the weather mod theory has the most credibility, but still, where is the scientific evidence that so-called chemtrails modify the weather any more than normal contrails would? I haven't seen any evidence, yet Thomas or someone like Crazy Larry will state it as if it were fact. This is inconsistent reasoning. (BTW, note that HiTech Larry has painted himself into a bit of a corner here using the same technique of baselessly stating theories as if they were fact, because Larry's argument is that contrails are for making people sick, or controlling minds...or something like that). It would be inconsistent now to argue the weather mod theory.

And let me put this thought out there. Let's go with the weather mod theory (in conjunction with HAARP, for a minute). Let's just, for the sake of argument, assume that this was indeed the purpose of chemtrails. Here's the question; Why go through all that HUGE expense of modifying aircraft to spray some compound into the atmosphere, at a cost (according to Thomas) of at least 20,000$ per hour for a small jet (and that's not including anything but the operation of the aircraft itself) when the effect is nothing more modifying to weather than what we already get from normal contrails?

It makes no sense. Notice that this assumed spraying generally occurs over common jet routes and VOR airways as it is? (Isn't THAT a coinky dink?) Why spend all these BILLIONS of dollars achieving the same effect artificially when millions of commercial airliners are doing it any way for free…and with harmless ice crystals at that?

posted 02-27-2003 08:54 AM            

I agree that proposing theories in such a way as to imply they are facts erodes credibility and is fuel for debunkers. Weather control, mind control AND genocide all at the same time? Maybe, but not at all very likely.

Here is what we have: organized spraying of something(s), SECRECY, URGENCY, and the imposition of apparrent governmental will on unknowing citizens. You don't get to vote on this one because a) They don't care what you think and b) "they" know what's best for you, don't they? Of course they do. If that's not enough to piss you off, nothing will. Carry on.

It does not take a genius with a PHD in meterology to know that something is up. All you have to do is pull your head out of your *** for a brief moment and look up. Be careful not to strain your neck.

As to exactly WHAT is up is another question. We can speculate all we want, but why bother? The answers are not here with us, but held by the proverbial "them". This is my point. Untill serious governmental level inquiries are imposed by the "people", aint nothin' gon happen. So who is taking this bull by the horns?

Thanks for the petition. I will go to the link.

We really need to raise public awareness before anything significant can happen. Has anyone contacted Erin Brokavitch? Sounds a bit silly, but I understand she is coming out with her own talk show.

posted 02-27-2003 09:05 AM            

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Here is what we have: organized spraying of something(s), SECRECY, URGENCY, and the imposition of apparrent governmental will on unknowing citizens.

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So how can you make this assumption. You are making a claim without benefit of proof, just like HiTech Larry and William Thomas. How do you know this? Where's your proof? Isn't it true that all you have at this point are assumptions?

posted 02-27-2003 02:05 PM            

Funny but the meteorologist, with Masters and PHDs I know (and that is a considerable number), say nothing is up. They must all be idiots right?

posted 02-27-2003 06:07 PM            

Lets see....evidence=0...things you know for a fact=0.

Sooo add them together, 0+0=0

You guys dont have any actual evidence!!!

posted 02-27-2003 07:36 PM            

Anyway: >>Maybe if activists
started organizing like the anti abortion
crowd and chained themselves up on the
capitols doors and stuck together in large
numbers things might well change.<<

Abortion is still legal, brainiac.

posted 02-27-2003 10:41 PM            

Since February 21st, how many days have there been horizon-to-horizon contrails in the SF Bay Area.

Come on Hot Shot...step up to the bar.

You've got access to the data...

posted 02-27-2003 10:43 PM            

PHX-Evidence-0? This is clear denial. Having been a jet pilot, I know what a contrail is and what causes it. These aint it. And the same question goes to you. If you are so convinced that this is all attributed to persistent contrails, what are you hanging around here for?
Things I know for a fact-0. Exactly. No one does. My point is that serious, hardcore research is in order to prove or disprove this crap.

Who exactly are you referring to when you say "you guys"? Which collective group are you referring to? Us "Chemmies"? If by "you guys" you mean people interested in finding the truth, then yes, I raise my hand. I'm one.

posted 02-27-2003 10:51 PM            

Like I have said before, the burden of proof is on you (Chemtrail believers). We are still waiting for that all important evidence that you say exists.

All I see from the chemtrail believers on here is just a bunch of talk and no actual proof.

posted 02-27-2003 10:57 PM            

Please check out the NASA and NOAA data posted on the "Winter Observations- Contradictions Abound" thread.

We're talking real data here, plus a NASA modeling program that was co-developed by "The Esteemed" Dr. Patrick Minnis.

You up to the task big guy... this is it, the real thing...government generated data.

posted 02-27-2003 10:58 PM            

I said the chemtrail theory was essentialy the same as those two theorys. (Big foot, and the moon landing hoax)

I don't think I
ever even called him an asshole.

Umm, thats right, you didnt.

phx I think you spend too much time here
and it's starting to get to you, please
get help for yourself esp if you really
fly planes.

I only get frustrated when im actually on here. When Im flying, and I mention this, we usually have a good laugh together, and we move on and I dont think about it anymore.