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Topic: Attention FK--Comment on Ridgefield Sky? | Topic page views:
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-02-2003 12:56 PM
   
Sure come on up to Kelowna everetteyes, be my guest. But you'll be standing beside me for a while methinks as I haven't seen any chemtrails overhead since last summer.So when will you be visiting me?
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Lulu on 03-02-2003] 
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Feelin Kocky
A Member
Underground Weather Control Bunker
537 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-02-2003 12:57 PM
>>Sure they can,and they can expand to 400% of there original size,They can White out the entire sky in a matter of hours and all of this started less then 10yrs ago<<All true except it all started over 50 years ago. F.K.
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everetteyes
SARS4UPILOT
Everett WA
126 posts, May 2002
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posted 03-02-2003 01:08 PM
I was in Hope B.C. last wednesday 80 or more miles to your SW.From Hope all the way to seattle I saw both,the trails lasting for about 20-40sec and the trails that stretched for as far as the eye could see and lasted for hours.were you looking up on wed Lulu?
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-02-2003 01:17 PM
I am in class every week day from 7 AM to 1:30 PM everetteyes, but when I get outside I always look up. I saw no lingering trails on Wed. 80 miles is a big stretch...When are you coming here?
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bigjoe
Weather Observer
Western New York
303 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 03-02-2003 01:35 PM
Lulu, I have to agree with everetteyes. Those are definately chemtrails. And what's happening in those photos is those jets are going to crisscross back and forth until the sky has a nice, oily haze spread over it... maybe even some "sundogs" for special effects thrown in and the sun will have a nice, colorful ring around it. And once this is done, nobody will be the wiser. It will appear, to the untrained eyes as just a hazy sky. A year ago I would have doubted that any of this was possible, but I've just seen this same garbage happen over and over again over Western New York so many times to doubt it's reality anymore. And when I look at the scene I'm seeing from the ground on the latest sat images, those "contrails" appear to be going absolutely nowhere as commercial jets usually do. They are just spreading this "stuff" over upstate New York and my home city of Rochester. Also, I usually carry a pair of good binocculars with me within easy reach these days, and the funny thing is, everytime I see this scene unfolding over me, NEVER have I seen it being done by a commercial jetliner. It is ALWAYS being done by these mysterious grayish white unmarked jumbo jets. And I have seen a lot of commercial jetliners fly over Rochester, but they ALWAYS leave normal contrails. ALWAYS.
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Feelin Kocky
A Member
Underground Weather Control Bunker
537 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-02-2003 01:37 PM
>>maybe even some "sundogs" for special effects<<How are sundogs made? F.K.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-02-2003 01:38 PM
>>Those are definately chemtrails.<<Bigjoe how do you know this just by looking? Are you saying that it is impossible for contrails to linger for hours?
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everetteyes
SARS4UPILOT
Everett WA
126 posts, May 2002
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posted 03-02-2003 01:43 PM
Weekends would be best for me,would you mind if I brought my wife?
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
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2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-02-2003 01:45 PM
Weekends work best for me also everetteyes, course I wouldn't mind if you brought your wife. Let me know which weekend OK?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-02-2003 01:45 PM
It is ALWAYS being done by these mysterious grayish white unmarked jumbo jetsThis is why it is VITAL for you to get some aviation lessons. At the very least, go buy a aircraft spotters guide. Learn what each type of aricaft looks like. That way, you can tell us exactly what it is instead of saying "jumbo jets". This is the term people that dont know aircraft types use for "big plane". BTW, 75% of airliner liveries nowadays are white. Most of us in aviation circles think that the new blank fuselage liverys suck, but they still paint them that way. Delta, Continental, British Airways, Air France, Alaska, and many other use a mostly white fuselage. Its not rare. And most Military aircraft are not white. In fact, I dont believe I have ever seen a C-130, KC-135, KC-10, C-5, or C-141 in a totally white scheme.
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bigjoe
Weather Observer
Western New York
303 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 03-02-2003 05:48 PM
Yes Lulu, I'm totally convinced that these are chemtrails. Absolutely no doubt. I've seen the big white jets in action too many times to think differently. And thank you for sharing those pix with us all. They are indeed interesting!
And PHX, thank you for sharing your thoughtful insights with me. I will hereby arrange myself in the full lotus position, settle in, and do some "serious" CHEMtemplation on your many thoughtful observations.May you be happy.
And may you be free from fear, ignorance and delusion.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
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2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-02-2003 10:34 PM
>>Yes Lulu, I'm totally convinced that these are chemtrails. Absolutely no doubt.<<OK bigjoe, but how do you know just by looking? And do you believe contrails can linger for hours?
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bigjoe
Weather Observer
Western New York
303 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 03-03-2003 07:06 AM
What it basically comes down to, Lulu, is believing in what your own senses (and your inner wisdom), are trying to tell you, not what somebody else is trying to convince you of. You really have to learn to believe in yourself, and learn to listen to what a much deeper part of yourself is saying to you. This is something that, unfortunately, our culture is drastically ignoring right now, and it's leading to all sorts of problems, all over the planet. But when you really start looking into yourself deeply, you start to realize that YOU know a LOT more than you think you know and YOU know a LOT more than society has convinced you that you know. It's quit a shock when this starts to dawn on you, and it can also be a little disturbing also. "Looking Deeply" into onself is an art, and it takes a lot of hard work, but I guarantee you that it can be mastered. And you can begin to tell what's true and what isn't true. You can tell when somebody is telling you the truth and when somebody is lying to you. That's why I don't take any of the debunkers on this issue seriously.
Peace and Blessings Lulu
bigjoe
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
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2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-03-2003 07:18 AM
I appretiate what you are saying here bigjoe, does your inner wisdom tell you if contrails can linger for hours?
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bigjoe
Weather Observer
Western New York
303 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 03-03-2003 10:37 AM
Lulu.
I could get on my soapbox here and talk to you all day about contrails vs. chemtrails, and would really be getting absolutely nowhere. It would only be taking you outside of yourself and away from your own "Inner Wisdom". Bigjoe, PHX, or F.K., on a "gut level", can't answer this question for you. The real issue is, how do YOU really feel about all of this? What do YOU really believe in, and what do YOU really see and experience, once all the opinions, inner noise and mental chatter have quieted down? You can't look at this issue through another person's eyes or opinions or experience. You have to see it DIRECTLY for yourself and answer the question "What is really true for ME?" If you start to really question this issue, you'll see that it's a very individual thing that each person can only answer it for him/herself. That's just the way things are set up. This issue isn't just about chemtrails. It touches the very core of the societal and cultural conditioning that has been imposed on each and every one of us since the day we were born and involves how we view reality, what society is telling us is real vs. what is REALLY real. That's why I would be doing you a big dis-service if I were to get up on my soapbox and give you a lot of facts, figures and other garbage about my "opinions" on contrails vs. chemtrails. YOU KNOW what's real for you. You don't need bigjoe, PHX, Cannex, or F.K. to tell you what's real or true. Tune into your own "Inner Wisdom", Lulu. Lulu needs to ask Lulu", and nobody else.
Well, that took a little more time than I had planned, but it's good talking with you Lulu, even if it's through electronics, something that I'll probably never get used to! It's really cold here in the northeast... got down to 2 above last night, althought it's 8 degrees now and bright & sunny (and no chemtrails... just white, puffy, beautiful cumulus clouds!!!) So, think I'll turn the computer off, bundle up and go out for a nice long walk.
And I hope you have a really good, nice and peaceful day too!!!
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Feelin Kocky
A Member
Underground Weather Control Bunker
537 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-03-2003 04:46 PM
So, bigjoe, how do your feelings tell YOU about what causes a sundog?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-03-2003 10:32 PM
Bigjoe, that exercise might work if you are trying to make yourself feel good about what you are doing but it does absolutely nothing in the pursuit of truth. You do not find truth by "your inner feelings". You find truth by evidence. Somthing you do not have. You can have all the lubby dubby good feelings you want, but that does not give you a good, reliable reason to believe you are being sprayed with poison.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 03-05-2003 10:19 PM
If you are so sure about this why don't you want to debate it with a scientist?
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coughing in vancouver
New Member
vancouver, bc canada
2 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-07-2003 11:29 PM
Lulu wrote: "I haven't seen any chemtrails overhead (in Kelowna) since last summer."Really? I was there at Xmas and the sky had huge grids over it from Kelowna to Vernon. I also observed, through binoculars, the planes pumping the stuff out their rear tails on a daily basis. Multiple eyewitnesses and pictures were taken. Have a look at the sky towards the end of the city where Big White is--the amount of plane traffic there is incredible--one plane after another.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
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2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-07-2003 11:41 PM
Hi Coughing in Vancouver. Big White is an hours drive from Kelowna--at the end of the city (North) is the Kelowna airport. How long did these trails at Christmas last and what were the atmospheric readings at that time? Can you post your pictures? Thanks.
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coughing in vancouver
New Member
vancouver, bc canada
2 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-09-2003 02:25 PM
Big White is 45 minutes from Kelowna, and you get a great view of Kelowna from it. I've just posted a pic of some chems over Big White. I don't have a pic right now of those I saw in Kelowna. What I did see in downtown Kelowna were multiple trails all over the city, both old and new. On the 20 minute or so drive to Vernon we passed 5 major trails all crossing over the highway and spaced evenly apart. Cheers
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-10-2003 01:32 PM
I used to work up at Big White coughing in vancouver, and the drive there took about an hour each morning, give or take a bit, depending on the weather. I live fairly close to Black Mountain. A very beautiful drive and spectacular view. Loved some mornings looking out on top of a fog bank, or cloud bank, that resembled a sea of glass. A world unto itself I think.Your picture taken up at Big White 12/22/2002 ~  And your statement regarding the picture: "Here is a pic of two planes-one right behing the other. I thought there was an FAA rule against flying within 3 miles of another plane. Traffic like this continued throughout the week I was there." Perhaps one of the pilots here could comment on the three mile rule thing? For me it is very hard to gauge accurately the altitude of aircraft, let alone the miles that separates flight paths. How long did these 2 trails persist, and what were the atmospheric readings at altitude during this time? Thank you.
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NW41Heavy
Negro with an Attitude
Tallahassee, FL
88 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-31-2003 12:20 PM
Lulu- those aircraft are wayyy more than 3 miles of trail in each other... You can't even see the other aircraft. Please keep in mind that aircraft are upwards of 7 miles above the ground or more in these photos. Besides, there is likely at least 4 thousand feet or more vertical separation between the two birds. That difference is invisible to the human eye from the ground- especially from this angled perspective where things are skewed by the curvature of the earth. Can you honestly look up and tell me with accuracy whether the clouds are at 10,000 feet or 15,000 feet? It is hard enough for me to tell whether an aircraft is 2000 feet above or below me when I am up there, so how can you reasonably expect to be able to see this difference 35,000 feet down below them??
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
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2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-31-2003 12:51 PM
Thanks Heavy.>>Can you honestly look up and tell me with accuracy whether the clouds are at 10,000 feet or 15,000 feet?<< No I can't, thus my statement "For me it is very hard to gauge accurately the altitude of aircraft, let alone the miles that separates flight paths."
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everetteyes
SARS4UPILOT
Everett WA
126 posts, May 2002
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posted 03-31-2003 01:08 PM
Hey Lulu,
Have you still not seen a PC since last summer or whenever it was you say they stopped spraying up there? You're so lucky
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