posted 03-09-2003 04:48 PM            

Perhaps you are right Pacer. I am waiting to hear back from Conroy as to the exact location of this hangar.

posted 03-09-2003 06:47 PM            

Entered into evidence is a specific jet/turbo fan etc. aircraft identified as leaving persistent contrails.

The capability of the specific aircraft to load and carry additional equipment has been presented.

What can you do with a cfm56?

United States Patent 6,092,359
Ackermann , et al. July 25, 2000 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=14&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=cfm56&OS=cfm56&RS=cfm56

"""A process for carrying out chemical reactions in the gas phase or gas-liquid phase comprises feeding the chemical reagents under pressure into the combustion chamber of a turbine engine, where they react to form a desired chemical product. The heat energy evolved in the process can be utilized through the action of the turbine to power auxiliary equipment attached to the turbine engine, such as an electrical generator. In another embodiment, the turbine engine is utilized to carry out at least two reactions: a primary reaction which occurs in the combustion chamber of the engine, and a second reaction which occurs in an augmentor-section of the engine, utilizing the product of the primary reaction as a reagent in the production of a final product."""

Entered into evidence is patent 6,092,359, relating to jet/turbofan etc. aircraft engines.

The capability of a jet/turbofan engine to do something other than push an aircraft through the air has been presented.

posted 03-09-2003 07:39 PM            

Well, I could throw a pineapple into the blades and catch the slices out the back but that doesnt make it a slice-o-matic does it? Sure it can do what you mentioned. It could, theoretically, do tons of other things, but that does not mean that it is being done. 100% of the "evidence" everyone has posted has been things that COULD be done. Evidence that this CAN happen or COULD be done. We are asking for evidence that this IS being done.

Since you guys seem to lose sight of what you are actually doing, let me use another analogy to show what you guys are doing.

I want evidence that I am mowing my lawn.
Evidence #1: Patent for Lawnmower Exists
Evidence #2: I Have a Photo of a Lawnmower Blade in a Warehouse Somewhere

posted 03-09-2003 09:02 PM            

If you needed to or desired to mow your lawn and the technology existed to mow your lawn, would you mow your lawn? If your neighbours noticed a difference in the reaction of the exhaust from past to present when you mow your lawn would they question you?

For the benefit of the reader, evidence which may help to gain a better understanding in respect to 'our' capabilities and aerial spraying is being presented.

Failure to look at this aspect will leave a person at a disadvantage when trying to present an informed opinion.

Do the capabilities exist to apply a substance either into a fuel or through a secondary method in jet/turbofan etc. aircraft engines?

What research has been done?

United States Patent 5,003,186 Chang , et al. March 26, 1991

"""One proposed solution to the problem of global warming involves the seeding of the atmosphere with metallic particles. One technique proposed to seed the metallic particles was to add the tiny particles to the fuel of jet airliners, so that the particles would be emitted from the jet engine exhaust while the airliner was at its cruising altitude. While this method would increase the reflection of visible light incident from space, the metallic particles would trap the long wavelength blackbody radiation released from the earth. This could result in net increase in global warming."""

posted 03-09-2003 09:07 PM            

If it was going to cut my toe off in the process, no. (that was another analogy representing the fact that the chemicals that you say are being sprayed by aircraft will fall and harm the very people who told them to spray in the first place. President, etc..)

posted 03-10-2003 11:02 AM            

We can present thousands of bytes to demonstrate things have been done on and around 'our' earth without the overall consideration of life and environment.

IT'S A FACT, WHAT'S NEXT thread expresses views that many people have researched the topic and are prepared to move forward with some type of activism.

This thread was not created for the benefit of a debunker but rather for the benefit of 'anyone' trying to "still" accept that something unusual is going on. (and there are still some that are not convinced)

Your Big Chemtrail evidence thread provides the opportunity for activists to display the required documentation so that others (new readers) can gain a better understanding and also feel confident they are making an informed decision thus justifying how they may conduct themselves.

As IRA Q is forced today to reveal it's UAV that is capable of releasing biological materials via airways, it is time to move beyond the capability element.

If there is additional information that you have to post that can demonstrate you are presenting an informed opinion on 'our' capabilities, feel free.

More information is available from the DC-8's SUCCESS mission, SF6 applications, other atmospheric tracer applications and technical documentation on how materials can be released from aircraft.

If we can agree that you have studied the capabilities and understand that nearly anything can be released from nearly any aircraft, we can move forward.

As has been presented, materials can be released from aircraft.

Let's move onto the reasons for deploying such a task.

It has been stated that materials can be released from aircraft to cause harm to plant life and the population.

It must be anticipated that materials can be released from aircraft that are beneficial to plant life and population.

Let us entertain that for a moment, for the sake of the evidence thread.

What information can be posted that relates to the chemtrail phenomenon being beneficial?

Has the UV element of the sun increased to a harmful level to plant life and population and the project is a sun screen?

Has technology taken us to a level that we can now moderate the weather for the benefit of plant life and population?

(As I site here and bask in MINUS 40 F temperatures (Minus 42 C at Edmonton International airport on Sat. night))

Is one of the chemtrail programs the mitigation of global warming?

I understand that a weather does not a climate make, but let's look at these aspects for a moment.

The floor is open for information regarding the possible reasons behind chemtrails (review past threads)

posted 03-10-2003 04:31 PM            

I don't know. They won't let us out of the secret dark bunker long enough to read the sign.

posted 03-10-2003 06:27 PM            

guess you'll be cleaning the bathrooms for the next 6 months !

posted 03-10-2003 06:37 PM            

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I don't know. They won't let us out of the secret dark bunker long enough to read the sign.

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posted 03-11-2003 01:04 AM            

United States Patent 6,092,359
Ackermann , et al. July 25, 2000 http://patft.uspto.g ov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=14&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=cfm56&OS=cfm56&RS=cfm56

Did you read the whole thing? They are talking about making chemical compounds with a turbine engine on the GROUND. The FAA would NEVER approve the engine fitted with the product for flight. Yes the technology is there to burn compounds in a turbofan engine, but that is with the engine never leaving the ground.

"Another example of a two-reaction process is the production of ethylene glycol" antifreeze

"In regard to acid chlorides, acetaldehyde could be oxidized to form acetic acid in the primary reaction." vinegar

"Still another example of a two-reaction process is the production of various acid derivatives. As an example, an alkylbenzene such as ethylbenzene can be reacted with oxygen in the turbine section of the engine to prepare the corresponding acid, which is passed into the augmentor. The acid can then be reacted in the augmentor to yield a number of useful compounds, such as acid chlorides by reaction with phosphorus trichloride or phosphorus pentachloride, or esters by reaction with alcohols. As one specific illustration, p-xylene could be oxidized to terephthalic acid in the primary reaction. Methanol could then be supplied to the augmentor as Reagent D, reacting with the acid to form dimethyl terephthalate--an important compound for the preparation of commercial polyesters and related polymers."

The above are all in the article.

posted 03-12-2003 12:23 AM            

The post simply demonstrates that other things can be done with the turbo fan, as is indicated.
Others that are truly interested in the capabilities will review it and draw their own conclusions, as you have.
We'll leave it to Orville and Wilbur to get it on the aircraft.

Yes, i've read the patent. If you didn't catch the entire thread I can understand your sarcasm. I will anticipate you did not intend to be insulting.
After reading the patent I then researched the other patents referenced within the patent.

Then the publications of the inventors of the patents were researched to gain a better understanding of their research.

We wouldn't even think of patenting weather mod. and theorizing aerial global warming mitigation without the technology in place to support it now would we.

The technology exists.

I won't spend much time on the government thing. Having your government south of the border allows me to sleep like a baby.

I wake up every two hours screaming.ar

The process works for most of us, so far. Without law, order and the democratic way we wouldn't be doing this.

We are extremely fortunate and I will fight to my death to defend my country, and yours dear brother.

Pace, thanks for the link, I will visit. The more contacts you make the closer you are to knowing what's involved, good luck! There are no 130's spraying here, just 135's and DC-10's. The only thing with 130's on record is the MAS system being used in the 910 to spray bugs.

The MAS System would be interesting to review. Anyone ever see one in a KC-135?

Let's move forward from here.

"""Compare the history of UV indexes from 1970 to present. You may
note that it was on sharp rise until 1997-99."""

Opening the floor for documentation supporting this statement from an alleged insider.