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ICU812
Senior Member
Edmonton, Canada
100 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 03-12-2003 09:40 PM
  
The Clean Air Act is a gigantic effort Capt.
Industry, our leaders and individuals all making an effort to keep the rock going.Entered into the evidence thread. Correct me if my interpretation is wrong. "The clean air act has had an effect on stabilizing an increasing UV index" A little 'clause' in the act leaves an option open for disapproval. Under Aircraft Emission Standards (c) Any regulations in effect under this section on date of
enactment of the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1977 or proposed or
promulgated thereafter, or amendments thereto, with respect to
aircraft shall not apply if disapproved by the President, after
notice and opportunity for public hearing, on the basis of a
finding by the Secretary of Transportation that any such regulation would create a hazard to aircraft safety. Any such finding
shall include a reasonably specific statement of the basis upon
which the finding was made.
[42 U.S.C. 7571] Is the current UVindex 'better' than it was in the 97-99 period?
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 03-12-2003 10:04 PM
ICU..I think you're referring to MAFFS, or the Modular Airborne Firefighting System. MAFFS cannot be used to spray insecticides either, and the 910th doesn't use MAFFS. And I've never seen a tanker (KC-10 or KC-135) equipped with MAFFS, since it's hard to fight a fire from 25,000 feet, and there's no way MAFFS could work from either of those aircraft.
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CaptWalker
logic infuser
99 posts, Feb 2003
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posted 03-13-2003 09:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ICU812:
Is the current UVindex 'better' than it was in the 97-99 period?
I can't find data to prove or disprove that statement. I was only going on the assumption that the original post was correct. If it's not, their whole point is moot.
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ICU812
Senior Member
Edmonton, Canada
100 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 03-13-2003 10:44 AM
The Modular Aerial Spray SystemTech. Sgt. John Molino (left), a loadmaster with the 757th Airlift Squadron, 910th Airlift Wing, Youngstown Air Reserve Station, Ohio, controls the amount of chemical that is sprayed out of a C-130 modular aerial spray system while fellow loadmaster Master Sgt. Mark Darby ensures the tanks are working correctly. Members of the wing, the only Department of Defense fixed-wing unit that performs the aerial spray mission, deployed to South Carolina in October to spray for sand fleas and mosquitoes at Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island . Click here for the story. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Sean P. Houlihan) http://www.afrc.af.mil/hq/citamn/Default.html A photo showing the under wing mount. http://www.afrc.af.mil/hq/citamn/feb03/frontcover.html Let's move forward. The MAS System is used to spray bugs.
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ICU812
Senior Member
Edmonton, Canada
100 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 03-13-2003 11:12 AM
Here's one area where research on UV can be performed.
http://www.safesun.com/uv_map.html The writer does not have expertise in this area. Opening the floor to researchers who have an "opinion" and documented evidence if UV exposure could justify research and application for "global sun screen". What research has been done, "if" UV indexes become critical, to apply a global operation to protect earths inhabitants? If your opinion is that "no" operation is currently active, what effect have these 'naturally' occuring contrails had on 'sunlight hours and intensity' over a given area? How does the obvious obsequies effect plant growth and development?
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ICU812
Senior Member
Edmonton, Canada
100 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 03-14-2003 02:29 AM
By Capt.
"""I can't find data to prove or disprove that statement. I was only going on the assumption that the original post was correct. If it's not, their whole point is moot."""It's OK. Some of us have done the research. The data's all over the place. On the net, at the library, your university and we're even displaying some of it at the elementary school level. Here's a five year list for your place. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/uv_index/uv_annual.html A quick review for documentation on past and current UV levels. An overall 'global review' will be required so the reader can gain a better understanding. For the time being, two countries will be presented. Let's look at New Zealand first. http://www.environment.govt.nz/indicators/ozone/uv.html The writers interpretation of the graph is that the UVindex showed a steady increase until 1998.
This date ironically coincides with early reports of chemtrails. Let's look at PHX skies from 96' to 01'.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/uv_index/gif_files/phx_96.gif http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/uv_index/gif_files/phx_97.gif http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/uv_index/gif_files/phx_98.gif http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/uv_index/gif_files/phx_99.gif http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/uv_index/gif_files/phx_00.gif http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/uv_index/gif_files/phx_01.gif Additional historical data for PHX indicates that the UVindex showed a steady increase until 1998.
This date ironically coincides with early reports of chemtrails. The floor is open for "research" into the suns effect on the climate. Here's one.
http://www.dsri.dk/showpage.php3?id=190 The CLOUD Project An international collaboration between 17 institutions from Europe, Russia, United Kingdom and USA has been established to experimentally investigate the role of ionisation in the formation of clouds. The experiment will take place at CERN, Geneva with a CLOUD (cosmic leaving outdoor droplets) detector, a cloud chamber. With a high precision control of the relevant parameters, e.g. pressure, temperature, humidity, gas and aerosol composition and ionisation, the importance of ionisation will be investigated. This project is expected to start early next year (2001). Our involvement will include trying to understand the link in the following ways: * Theoretical studies based on satellite observations of the radiate properties of clouds, and * Setting up various experiments relevant to the CLOUD project. The main part of the CLOUD-detector will be built at DSRI. """Effects on the Earth's Atmosphere""" """A fundamental question that has occupied scientists for a couple of centuries or more is whether there are variations in the energy output of the Sun that may influence the Earth's climate. Several correlation studies have been presented that indicate such an effect. The statistical significance of many of these studies has been questionable and is generally very difficult to assess because a plausible physical has not yet been proven. A direct effect of a varying "solar constant" would be the most plausible candidate but although precise satellite measurements have in fact demonstrated that the total irradiance of the Sun does change, the variation during the 11-year solar cycle is only 0.1 per cent, hardly sufficient to explain the effect observed on the ground."""" """"Thus, if the found correlation is in fact due to a direct effect of the varying solar activity, some form of amplification or positive feed-back mechanism has to be invoked. One possibility that involves a change in cloud cover has been studied at DSRI in particular."""" (((The last paragraph must be reviewed))) """some form of amplification or positive feed-back mechanism has to be invoked""" ----Invoked as in the sun 'conjures' the reaction from an action---- Or ----Invoked as to call on to be put into effect---- as to invoke the fifth amendment.
Has "any" research and development been done into products that can be applied to the troposphere, tropopause or the stratosphere to reflect our suns light?
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S.
499 posts, May 2001
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posted 03-14-2003 06:34 AM
Here's EVIDENCE that's hard to ignore but I'm sure we'll have some here that won't let that stop them.Take this sequence of photos and plug them into a slideshow program if you have one. Literally watch the incoming storm front melt fromt the CHEMTRAILS. This is a REPEATABLE pattern people. I just happened to see them doing it here in Indiana and documented the moment. Lulu basically asked for this a few days ago and haven't heard from her since. Hmmmm. MIDWEST SERIES OF STORM BEING DIFFUSED BY CHEMTRAILS http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bibletoday//chemmp.html
(Back in early August, I took this series of satellite photos showing an incoming storm front being MODIFIED by chemtrail spray. Thanks to Georgia Reams for her help in archiving the above photos.
Below are the individual photos still archived at LLNews):
Midwest Satellite 08-02-2002 0445pm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/2391
Midwest Satellite 08-02-2002 0500pm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/2392
Midwest Satellite 08-02-2002 0515pm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/2402
Midwest Satellite 08-02-2002 0530pm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/2406
Midwest Satellite 08-02-2002 0545pm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/2413
Midwest Satellite 08-02-2002 0600pm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/2426
Midwest Satellite 08-02-2002 0615pm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/2431
Midwest Satellite 08-02-2002 0630pm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/2437 Mysterious Circles in Sky http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/3451
This photo (see full image below) was taken from my backyard between 10:00AM and 10:15AM 3/4/2003 with a Kodak Digital Camera. The circles appear to be in the direction of Nashville TN which is about 32 miles south west of my home in Gallatin, TN. I sent them to a local televison station meteorologist. He said he had 2 theories. He said it could have been what the weather people call a thermal inversion, Which means warm air rising in a circular motion much like a tornado only in reverse. He also said the AMS (American Meteorological Society) mentioned in the AMS report, there are experiments with rain prevention being used by the U S Air Force that have been known to cause this. He featured it on last night's weather report on the local Fox News channel.
--Wayne Carter
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CaptWalker
logic infuser
99 posts, Feb 2003
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posted 03-14-2003 08:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by hitech_46253:
Here's EVIDENCE that's hard to ignore but I'm sure we'll have some here that won't let that stop them.... Literally watch the incoming storm front melt fromt the CHEMTRAILS... Mysterious Circles in Sky
You're completetly insane. WHAT is this "EVIDENCE" of? In the series of photos I see a storm over the western border of Indiana and then in the last photo the storm over all of Indiana. I've seen storm come out of nowhere, I've seen storms that disappear into nothing. Funny how weather is not homogenous. And the circle photos? I've seen DOZENS of these photos from around the world. What exactly are you trying to imply with them?
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S.
499 posts, May 2001
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posted 03-14-2003 09:08 AM
Duh! What are you 'Capt' of anyway?Well, to answer this guy's question....
I live in the area under where these were taken. The 'capt' here obviously didn't goto the first URL which shows each area identified. I circled the CHEMTRAILS which were sprayed ahead of and ABOVE the incoming rainstorm. If you goto the newsletter for that day, you'll also read where I told a local farmer down the road what they were doing and what would happen. I've done this enough that many SEE the modification easily now. So my 'insanity' can be contageous. HINT! Anyway, note how the storm front closes on the location of the chemtrails. The polymer fibers literally rain down into the oncoming front and it literally DISSOLVES!! You can see this effect at ground level and point it out to those who take 5 minutes to watch what you show them. This will likely leave the good 'capt' here OUT!
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CaptWalker
logic infuser
99 posts, Feb 2003
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posted 03-14-2003 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by hitech_46253:
The 'capt' here obviously didn't goto the first URL which shows each area identified. I circled the CHEMTRAILS which were sprayed ahead of and ABOVE the incoming rainstorm.... Anyway, note how the storm front closes on the location of the chemtrails. The polymer fibers literally rain down into the oncoming front and it literally DISSOLVES!!
No, I did go to the first url and the storm apprears on the western border of IN and then in the last photo appears over the entire southern half of the state from east to west. What could cause contrails to persist? Saturated air, perhaps the same saturated air you'd see at the leading edge of a front? Persistent contrails are very regularly found ahead of a front! I've even seen them at VERY low altitude in extremely moist air. Just saw that last week on a plane that already had it's gear down to give you an idea of how low it was!
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S.
499 posts, May 2001
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posted 03-14-2003 11:48 AM
Again folks, CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELVES!!When you see huge chemtrail concentrations in you area that are NOT CONdensation... 'capt.' Check out the satellite view above you. Chances are HIGH that this is being done ahead of the storm. Which would be DRYER than on the other side my dear 'capt.' But this CONdensation yack is just more smoke and mirrors. It's weather modification plain and simple.
We have the motive.
The patents.
The government ADMISSIONS.
The sightings.
The RESULTS And we have the debunkies here doin their best to keep you spinning your wheels. Here's one suggested satellite link that I've used for these photos: http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/satellite/
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-14-2003 12:46 PM
hitech, I have seen the same thing time and again in my N.Calif location. Spraying ahead of a storm front and the results are as you describe, the storm is disseminated.
They fly very low here while discharging their load of chemicals, far below the 20-30,000 feet that the debunkers claim they fly. When a four engined jet making trails looks the size of a cessna 172, something isn't right and all the debunking in the world will not change even that one fact!
Our 'capt' knows squat about aircraft so his expertise is, at the very least, very questionable. Me thinks he named himself after the chair behind his desk.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by David on 03-14-2003]
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 03-14-2003 03:49 PM
What no THE WHO fans here?Captain Walker didn't come home
His unborn child wouldn't ever know him.....
Believe him missin' with a number of men
Don't expect to see him again It's a boy Mrs. Walker, it's a boy......
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X marks the spot
New Member
13 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-14-2003 06:19 PM
Yeah?Well, that was THE WHO.
THIS Capt. Walker is just another idiot at large.
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A deceived person does not know that they are deceived. If they did, then they wouldn't be deceived. A deceived person may be sincere, but sincerely wrong.
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 03-14-2003 10:00 PM
I've been around C-130s for a while and never heard of a "MAS" system. I *have* heard of the MAFFS system, which I think is what you have in mind. I'm not completely familiar with the 910's equipment, but after many searches, I couldn't find a single reference calling their spray system a "MAS" system. If you've got a source that says so, by all means post it.Again, another reason why I certainly don't ever regard chemtrail "activists" as anywhere close to an authority on aircraft systems, air traffic, or related topics.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-14-2003 10:21 PM
When a four engined jet making trails looks the size of a cessna 172, something isn't right and all the debunking in the world will not change even that one fact!HAHAHAHA. *snort*. Dear God, "the size of a Cessna 172, somthing isnt right". HAHAHAHA. Guys, seriously, GO LEARN ABOUT AIRLINERS. Look, here is a photo of a man standing next to a Boeing 777-200 engine. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/005700/L/
The engine alone is far bigger than a 172.
Now, heres a photo showing contrails formed by a 747-200 (which has considerably smaller engines than the 777) and look how big the contrails it forms are. This is of a KLM 747-200 over international airspace whose flight path intersected with another passenger jet, that the photographer was in. (Oh no, that means they made an "X" shape, run for the hills!)
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/239080/L/
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-14-2003 10:37 PM
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HAHAHAHA. *snort*. Dear God, "the size of a Cessna 172, somthing isnt right". HAHAHAHA.
Look sport, debunkers are the ones always touting how a jet at 20-30,000 feet is just a speck in the sky, a speck ahead of the trail.
I'm saying that when the plane appears the size of a Cessna >>>AT LOW ATLITUDE<<< while making trails, it is no where near that altitude. You are not the only private pilot on the board, son.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-14-2003 10:42 PM
Ahhhhhh, mis-communication I see. No matter, I still dont see the problem. An airliner doesnt have to be cruising at 20+K feet to create contrails. The aircraft doesnt care what alititude it is at, its going to create contrails as long as conditions are right. It just happens to be that those conditions are USUALLY found up above 20K. But under certain circumstances, contrail forming conditions can be found below that.But, I still would like people to take a look at that second photo link I posted. Mainly because it is absolutely beautiful. As a matter of fact it is my wallpaper.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PHXPilot on 03-14-2003]
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-14-2003 10:51 PM
Debunk this one.
Camera-Sony cyber-shot 2.0 w/3x digital zoom
The telephone pole is 25 feet tall and 6 feet below the level of the road making it approx 19 feet above my head. Zoom was near max but not quite. 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-14-2003 11:08 PM
Well, that honestly doesnt look all that abnormal. It looks, from what I can discern, like it is cruising at about 20K or so. I live in Northwestern Phoenix and I live under a well-used approach path. The aircraft that fly over my house are usually at around 7-10 thousand feet. I spend HOURS sitting outside watching them so I know what they usually look like. This aircraft looks considerably smaller, plus you used zoom, so that means it was even smaller than that. So, my rough estimate is about 20K. But, I have seen quite a few airliners creating contrails at that altitude before. It doesnt seem abnormal in any way.
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-14-2003 11:13 PM
Of course not.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-14-2003 11:23 PM
Well, if it doesnt, it doesnt. Class B airspace over my house reaches from 6,000 to 10,000 ft. From this, and from my listening to Phoenix TRACON for years, I can conclude that most airliners I see are at around 7 or 8 thou. I can get fairly good shots of these aircraft with my 300mm Pentax, because they are fairly low, and very visible at 8-10 thousand feet. This aircraft in the photo is LOADS higher than the aircraft coming into PHX. I see airliners cruising at about 25K passing over PHX leaving contrails, and they look to be about the size of the aircraft in the photo.Again, this aircraft does not give any indication that it is below 15K.
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S.
499 posts, May 2001
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posted 03-15-2003 10:55 AM
Just remember class that PHX debunkie here actually said: "Seeing is not believing." And we've seen he demonstrates the typical debunkster mentality that no matter what 'evidence' you put before him, it's not evidence TO him.Just saw this demonstrated again when Lulu wanted more proof on the drought thread. Well, I provided it there as here and haven't heard (rather seen) the latest peep of response to the information. You can likely bet though that seeing won't be believing with her either. This pattern of spraying into and ahead and ABOVE the oncoming fronts is VERY repeatable. I saw these douchebags spraying here back in August and took those satellite photos every 15 minutes. I knew what was above me came out of PLANES and expected the front to be NW of me. It was and I was 'rewarded' by capturing those photos that show the front dissolved as we've seen so many times here. I offer you to CHECK IT FOR YOURSELF. Liars, provacateurs and PROPAGANDISTS don't present evidence or truths, they simply demonize and try to prop up lies with other lies. Truth is self-evident and stands like a rock IF you are willing and open to checking out both sides. It's not like I WANT to tell people the government is doing this and has ill intentions toward people. I have no PROFIT in lies. This is what the FACTS have lead me to believe. Once you believe in such a sad sorry conclusion, you are then compelled to ACT and share this information with others. When you know you're right, you endure the derision heaped on you by those who are ignorant or propagandists in the hope others will check things out for THEMSELVES and then act also. As to 'Capt Walker'..... Wasn't that the dude who couldn't keep his plane in the air on "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome"???
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-15-2003 11:52 AM
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Again, this aircraft does not give any indication that it is below 15K.
15,000 ft. Wait a minute, you guys have been saying for the last couple of years that contrails do not normally form below around 22 thou, but now you are changing that figure to 15 thousand?
My turn to laugh. hahahaha
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-15-2003 06:30 PM
Oh for Gods sake. Guys, that photo gives me and VERY little to determine the actual altitude. I never said he was at 15 thou. I said the photo gives no indication that he is that low.Your right, we do say that contrails USUALLY dont form below 20K because that is where the best conditions are found (20K+). But conditions can sometimes can be found below that under certain circumstances. But this aircraft doesnt look like it is low enough to have this be called one of those rare times. It looks like it is at about 20-25K. Again, I have VERY little to go on when determining this altitude. Dont look so desperate, whenever you guys get even a hint of a fault you freak out like it proves chemtrails or somthing. This aircraft does not LOOK, from my experience, to be below 20K feet. Again, I have very little to work with. But nothing seems to be horribly out of the ordinary here.
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