posted 04-18-2003 08:55 PM            

The ability to spray has been presented to the evidence thread.

The specifications of the MAS System have been provided.

posted 04-19-2003 11:02 AM            

Prof, do you have any idea how quickly that spray machinary can spit out chemicals? NOT THAT FAST. Not NEARLY fast enough to create what you see in the sky. And if they DID, the chemical supply would be drained in seconds.

And I NEVER SAID THAT NO PLANE CAN BE FITTED WITH SPRAY MECHANISMS!!

posted 04-19-2003 09:05 PM            

Now your getting it!!!!! WOOOOOOO.

Now, we have come to the conclusion that you would need one HUGE tank to get the needed amount of chemicals to make one of the trails the size you see in the sky. Right?

Now, say, on what you would call a "spray day" you see 10 or so trails crossing the entire sky. Now lets say that an aircraft with one of these gigantic tanks can cross the sky twice before they run out of chemicals which they would have to pouring out at an astronomical rate to make those gigantic trails. That means we need 5 aircraft to create these "spray days". Now, lets say that there are 20
"spray days" around the United States. Thats 100 aircraft.

Now add in 70 or so "spray day" locations everywhere else in the world (Canada, Greece, Whatever)

Now, you can see the size of the fleet of aircraft needed to pull this stunt off.

Lets make the total aircraft # around 500.

Now, lets say you have 10 people in readyment of these sprayplanes.

Thats 5000 people worldwide.

Now add in quite a few hundred, possibly thousands, of people that worked together in the assembly of these spray tanks, and their installment into these KC-135s or whatever.

Thats a TON of people.

Not to mention if one crashes, your going to have a whole bunch of people to answer to when they investigate the crash and notice tons of equipment that wasnt supposed to be there.

Unless you think the NTSB or FAA is in on the deal too. Then add thousands more people in on the conspiracy.

And they have all kept quiet.

posted 04-20-2003 02:35 AM            

The MAS System clearly demonstrates current research and development in Aerial Spray Systems.
The multitude of uses for this particular Spray System can be further reviewed in a key word search for "Modular Aerial Spray System".

PHX, you are embarrasing yourself with statements of large tanks and huge volumes of "Active Ingredient".

You're not learning anything by spending time typing the same circular message repeatedly.

Some of us really want to understand all of the possibilities.
We want to know what mechanical devices have been conceptualized, designed and created that have left behind the highly suspect persistent contrails (chemtrails) many good people have observed.
........and no, the answer isn't 'additional jet travel'.

You thought of this thread to post information ""Thats it. Just pure, non-circular evidence.""

Where's your contribution?

By PHX
""Now, we have come to the conclusion that you would need one HUGE tank to get the needed amount of chemicals to make one of the trails the size you see in the sky. Right?""

You're the only one that came to that conclusion. Most researchers understand that AI, (active ingredient) in most elemental forms, is only a small portion of a solution.

For the benefit of the new reader and to correct PHX statement of volumes we'll use the MAS System to demonstrate volumes at 5 gallons per minute:

""""Ultra-Low Volume (ULV). Wing booms for ULV applications are constructed of stainless steel and mounted on the outboard portion of the C-130's wing. Each boom has 25 nozzle sites (50 total) and operate at flow rates of 0-60 gallons per minute with a maximum pressure of 100 PSI."""""

""""Each system can be configured with up to four 500 gallon tanks for a total volume of 2000 gallons.""""

If this system was incorporated into a KC-135 flying at 500 mph releasing 5 gallons per minute it could travel over 3000 miles before the tanks run dry.

Suspending 10 pounds of "nanoscale aluminum powder" within every 5 gallons of carrier results in 4000 pounds of reflective aluminum particulate being spread from coast to coast in 6 hours.

One Plane, one crew, back in time for dinner.

The ability to apply large amounts of material to the atmosphere with limited resources has been presented.

posted 04-20-2003 09:59 AM            

This would be correct. But 5 gallons per minute would barely leave a visible streak. Thats a gallon every 12 seconds. You might as well spit outside to create the chemtrail size that system would create.

To create a chemical trail this size:

Again, you would have to pour numerous gallons per second out of the plane to create these "spray day" effects.

A gallon every 12 seconds would not even make a visible impression in the sky.

posted 04-20-2003 10:41 AM            

At cruising altitude, I would give a rough estimate of 3000 Pounds Per Hour

(Pounds because in aviation we rarely use gallons)

3000 PPH equates to about 450 Gallons Per Hour.

posted 04-21-2003 11:18 PM            

The following is from "guidelines for cloud seeding to augment precipitation". http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:RJxYojNOm2cC:www.weathermodification.org/FACTS96W.DOC+%22Guidelines+for+Cloud+Seeding+to+Augment+Precipitation%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

"""The silver iodide is usually released from devices called liquid fuel generators, or pyrotechnic flares, which can produce as many as 1,000,000,000,000,000 particles from 1 gram of silver iodide."""

Nanoscale technology has come a long way from the early research on "silver iodide" PHX/NW.

What is the nuclei particulate return when using 1 gram of "nanoscale aluminum powder"?

Run through the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Colorado State University (links i've previously posted) and you will have learned something.

Get your head around what our capabilities really are before you bash the math.

Here are a few more links so you can understand just how much 'Active Ingredient' is required to augment precipitation or create a "cirrus screen". http://www.scirus.com/search_simple/?frm=simple&query_1=guidelines+for+cloud+seeding+to+augment+precipitation&dsmem=on&dsweb=on

It is clear that the following statements as presented to the evidence thread are recognized as factual:

The ability to apply large amounts of material to the atmosphere with limited resources has been presented.

The ability to create "large persistent contrails" (chemtrails) using a small amount of material over a large area has been presented.

Opening the floor to information on KC-135 "cargo carrying" capabilities.
Does MASS fit through the cargo doors of the KC-135?

Opening the floor to any research performed in fuel additives to JP-8 or other fuels used by aircraft responsible for 'unusual persistent contrails'.
Can nonoscale aluminum powder be suspended in jet fuel and enhanced through the thermodynamic process of the jet/turbine engine?

posted 04-22-2003 11:01 AM            

Red List pick ups are already going on! Road blocks are now being used to pick up people. There was one report from OK about a bus being stopped and these cops pulling people off.
http://www.prophecies.org/Messages/feb17.htm

His friend flies commercial commuter plane routes over Arizona. His routes included flying over a closed, restricted access military base in Arizona.... the pilot did a double-take recently when he flew his route over this facility, and noted that THIS TIME THERE WERE WHITE BOXCARS INSIDE THE FACILITY, AND ROWS OF PRISONERS WITH HANDS SECURED BEHIND THEIR BACKS LINED UP IN ROWS WAITING TO ENTER THESE BOXCARS! Intrigued, he circled around and flew lower for a closer look.

posted 04-22-2003 01:10 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lulu:
The letter itself is explanation enough IMO, and possible evidence of chemtrail spraying. Do you have any evidence Captain, or are you just blowing hot air?

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posted 04-22-2003 01:32 PM            

all across the US tens of thousands of Chinese/Soviet/UN troops and police, under the guise of United Nations/Clinton's "Partnership for Peace" (PfP) and "Project Harmony" operations are now poised/operating, or in place.

WHERE? Anybody seen them? Military bases, airports, rural campgrounds? Tens of thousands, but nobody's seen them.

T-72 tanks, MIG-29s, Makerov 9mm pistols, AK-47 rifles, BMP-40 armored cars, SAM-8 missile batteries, 130mm howitzers, Zil trucks, K-9 dogs, bio-chemical units, and myriads of other Soviet gear, are all in place, ready to strike at the right time

Remember kids, this was first written 2 June 1999 according to the article, so these have all been here now for nearly 4 years. Where are they? Tanks, MIG's, dogs... all hidden underground maybe?

they've been wearing indicia/badges, driving vehicles, or have tags which read either, "Red Dog Strike Force ,MOXCBA (Moscow) Police, Kansas State Police, Tennessee Military Police, International Crimes Enforcement Police, International Police, Multi-National Force Observer-UN Honorary Pro-Counsel, Polizei, Wausau [WI] Community Police, Federal Police, American Police, U.S. Police, Enforcement Officer, Parole Officer, Secretary of State Police, National Police Force, and Border Patrol

Any of you seen this. I've seen US Park Police. Maybe they're in on it too. All those speeding tickets they've been handing out are really an attempt to fingerprint everybody and learn driving habits to make it easier to take us over!

thousands of troops are bivouacked in US parks

See above... where?

and in one instance they gunned down 3 guys who ATV-ed into a remote park area.... or in a taxi -- as happened near Cismont, VA, at the Peter's Mt base

Anybody able to find anything on these events. Oh wait, the entire media is in on it to (in addition to the tens of thousand of foreign troops and the countless US troops who have to assist supplying them to keep them anonymous).

To put on paper the 20 hours/masses of data, pictures, maps, diagrams, and testimony, would be nearly impossible. However, maybe the following will alert you to the reality of the above facts: The son of a personal friend