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Topic: The big chemtrail evidences thread | Topic page views:
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ICU812
Senior Member
Edmonton, Canada
100 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 03-06-2003 07:53 PM
  
This thread is the conceptual brainchild of a great debunker (who is currently listening to bush on EVERY news station).It provides the opportunity to post documentation, research and personal observations(testimonials) in one thread. The overall objectives: Establish ability and capability. a) Patents, research, publications, scientific documentation, how and why it's possible.
(Welsbach, Tesla etc.) Establish factual documentation on the reasons for chemtrails. b) Whether you believe chemtrails are for climate control, sun screen, pop. control or adding humidity to my bush, show me the documentation to back up your reasoning. Who is responsible. c) Budgets, ATC reports, scientists, universities. What and where are the logistics behind the projects. d) Airports, support, materials, transportation, personell. Anything else you can think of that will provide the support required to gain additional awareness. Thanks PHX, great idea. If it hasn't already been spelled out for you, maybe this will help.
More later. 
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 07:58 PM
could you clarify this :b) Whether you believe chemtrails are for climate control, sun screen, pop. control or adding humidity to my bush, 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 08:28 PM
who is currently listening to bush on EVERY news stationGeez, I was watching Seinfeld. And what I would like to see on this thread is this: 1) EVIDENCE. None of this "But they could spray with planes" or "Bush is evil" or "Our Government has secrets" stuff. I want to see EVIDENCE. If you dont know what that is, go look it up. Thats it. Just pure, non-circular evidence.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 08:43 PM
Well next time your flying through a miles
long contrail stick your head outta the plane and suck in like you never have before, Within time you'll know the health effects
of chemicals, pollutants and maybe a natural
contrail or two. But seriously if you have
evidence that there isn't such a program
debunk the military patents,congressional
records on how they made it legal to do
what you think isn'tgoing on, not twisting
what anyone is saying like you usually do
but real evidence P.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 08:44 PM
well since no one can tell me how chemtrails adds humidity to someone's bush...I'll simply say all the legitimate imformation concerning such topics is and has been located in the science forum...for about 2 years...to add no one's going to post anything relevant oicu,phx because there are no secret bases, no one responsible,no factual evidence to prove that chemtrails exist...chemmies don't do research they make accusations...been that way for 4 years and ain't ever gone to stop because it would mean the end of the hoax.... truth hurts but it sets ya free... 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 08:54 PM
Ive noticed that Seeker. They dont have any evidence so they resort to accusations and just plain blabbering. Im giving them a chance to come forward with that piece of evidence (That they say exists) and show us why everyone has reason to change their lives forever and be fearful of every airliner that flies over. This is not a theory you take to heart because "contrail look weird". I, for one, would never buy into any theory that would impact my life so deeply without an actual piece of undeniable evidence to base it on.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PHXPilot on 03-06-2003]
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 09:19 PM
I, for one, would never buy into any theory that would impact my life so deeply without an actual piece of undeniable evidence to base it on.well I bit on it for about 6 months, working 7 days a week didn't lend me the time to dig like I needed to...thanks to canex and reynolds information was gathered and a factual opinion reached... I don't blame folks for getting into chemtrails...it's the one's that have been around all these years...they the burden of knowing the real truth about chemtrails which weighs so heavy on them...
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 09:27 PM
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I, for one, would never buy into any theory that would impact my life so deeply without an actual piece of undeniable evidence to base it on.
Maybe you do not buy into this issue but you do spend an amazing amount of time trying to debunk it. It must have some impact on your life or you would not be here. BTW student pilot, you must be taking commerical flying lessons by mail? Do you work, I mean besides here? I've never seen a student comm pilot have so much time on their hands.
And one more small thing. What makes you think that anyone here needs or wants to prove anything to you? Go back and read past threads to get the information you are demanding, do your own work!
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 09:31 PM
Well, as I have said before, I too was a "chemmie" a few years back. Then I went to pilot training where I learned, and experienced, the things chemtrail believers say are indications of a secretive chemtrail operation. Thats where I came to my stance I have now.That is also the time I realized I was fearful of contrails for no good reason. When people asked me why I believed in it, I had no answer. I had no evidence to base it on. And I see that hasnt changed in 5 odd years.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 09:35 PM
I spend so much time on here? I only post here between 4PM and 10PM. From 10PM until late afternoon the next day I have school, ground school instruction lessons, flights, and study sessions. I tend to get on here in streaks. As you notice, I have nothing to do after dinner until 10PM, so I might as well get on here and debate.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 09:52 PM
Good idea this thread PHXPilot! >>truth hurts but it sets ya free...<< Sounds like you've been hanging out with Jay Reynolds T/S. Two debunkers, outstanding in a field of shallots
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 10:08 PM
I figured that since the chemmies had so much evidence of chemtrails, they would like a place to keep it all. So lets tally up how much evidence has been posted so far. Lets see........0. Well, our 24/7 chemtrail evidence-athon is running full speed, so if any chemtrail believers would like to donate some much needed evidence, they would be encouraged to do so.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 10:10 PM
Would you consider jet fuel dumps as evidence of chemtrails Pilot?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 10:12 PM
Well, under the traditional understanding of "chemtrail", no. I would consider it evidence of pilots not following regs when dumping fuel in an emergency.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 10:15 PM
Then perhaps we need to define the word chemtrails?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 10:17 PM
That would be a good idea.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 10:19 PM
I have always understood chemtrails as (loosely) the spraying of foreign chemicals from an aircraft in flight for purposes other than keeping the flight safely in the air.Hows that?
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 10:19 PM
Care to take a crack at it Pilot?I find this statement interesting ~ >>"The Air Force does not have a system for reporting routine or emergency fuel jettisoning."<<
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/PHA/kelly/kel_p2b.html
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/000030.html
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 10:27 PM
Just so I can get an idea what I am trying to figure out, what are you trying to suggest Lulu? That they are purposefully dumping fuel on people to make them sick?
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 10:28 PM
>>I would consider it evidence of pilots not following regs when dumping fuel in an emergency.<<What are the regs? >>That they are purposefully dumping fuel on people to make them sick?<< Not suggesting this at all Pilot.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 10:38 PM
Well, the usual procedure for dumping fuel is to only vent fuel when over "sparsely populated areas". They are told to do this because of people complaining when their patio furniture has a light coating of jet fuel on it. But be reminded, in EXTREME emergencies, pilots are authorized to dump fuel wherever they need to to get the aircraft back to an airport safely. Its better to have Old Lady Dorris' plants get a dose of Jet-A than to have her house slammed into by an F/A-18.Well, if your not suggesting that they are doing it on purpose to harm us, if you dont mind me asking, what is your point here?
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 10:42 PM
The point here is that you stated perhaps pilots not following regs...which kind of contradicts this statement..."The Air Force does not have a system for reporting routine or emergency fuel jettisoning" so was curious the regs.Nice crack at the definition!
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 10:44 PM
Well, they might not have a requirement to report fuel dumps, but they do have some rules for when they do happen.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 10:53 PM
Ahhh I see. It will be interesting to read the evidence posted in this thread. Well nite Pilot, 5 am comes much too early and the sandman is calling me...
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-07-2003 02:07 AM
Sounds like you've been hanging out with Jay Reynolds T/S. Two debunkers, outstanding in a field of shallots ahhhh...city girl pickin' on the farmers...eh ??? bold cyan 
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