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ScaredForTheFuture
Senior Member


Orange County, CA,USA
162 posts, Jan 2003

posted 03-09-2003 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScaredForTheFuture     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why keep entertaining the debunkers here? I don't feel the need to repetitively present the obvious to somebody who refuses to "see".

WE know what we see and feel on chemtrail spray days, so why beat a dead horse.


So, what's the NEXT step?

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Jeanie
Senior Member

North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001

posted 03-09-2003 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeanie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ditto::: If the debunkers have an overwhelming need to be heard, it might be a GOOD idea if they set up their own web site. Otherwise we better re-name this one Debunker Central. They better wake up to the fact that the obvious is undeniable, we are not going to change our stand.

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PHXPilot
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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

posted 03-09-2003 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PHXPilot   Visit PHXPilot's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was playing golf today from 9AM to 3PM and I watched the sky VERY closely all day today. Up north of Phoenix, you could see that almost every single airliner going through that air mass left a good, long lasting, contrail. Obviously, good conditions for contrails up north over the desert. Then I saw what looked like a 757 (I know it was a large twin, possibly 777 or 767, but doubt it.). It left a very nice billowy contrail directly over Phoenix that lasted much of the day. But you know what? There are very strong winds at altitude today from West to East. That contrail was pushed from over Phoenix, to out into the endless expanse of desert East of Phoenix where it started to dissipate after a few hours. Man, if those are our "chemtrail pilots" at work, they must suck immensly. I mean come on. If they wanted to get us "chemmed" they would have sprayed far to the West, and let the winds bring the chems into the metro area. But noooooooo, apperantly they dont know what winds are and, consiquently, dusted the coyotes in the middle of nowhere with Barium, or whatever you guys think it is. Obviously, there was good contrail conditions above a certain flight level because all airliners that were lower then that 757 didnt create nearly as long lasting contrails. And the 2 that I saw were above that flight level created nice big contrails as well.

Evil at work? Evil must be stupid as a rock.

I think its time to get new chempilots. Or weathermen.

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bigjoe
Weather Observer

Western New York
303 posts, Dec 2002

posted 03-09-2003 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigjoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jeanie and ScaredForTheFuture, I'm in TOTAL agreement with you, 100%!!!

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Feelin Kocky
A Member

Underground Weather Control Bunker
537 posts, Jan 2003

posted 03-09-2003 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feelin Kocky   Visit Feelin Kocky's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>>present the obvious to somebody who refuses to "see".<<

Present the obvious? How about ONE example that even us village idiots can understand. PLEASE?


F.K. ~~~ shaking head in disgust

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Jeanie
Senior Member

North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001

posted 03-09-2003 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeanie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gee I was hoping Sunday was depunkers day off.

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canex
Senior Member

USA
164 posts, Oct 2000

posted 03-09-2003 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for canex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps, if you want a debunker free forum, you could try I Don't Cheat or Carny's websites. They don't allow debunkers. This is the only forum where Debunkers and Chemnoids can get together and drive each other batty.

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PHXPilot
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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

posted 03-09-2003 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PHXPilot   Visit PHXPilot's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well thats fine. Go somewhere where any crazy theory can be embraced by all even though it has no evidence to support it. woopidydoo.

Now, where can I get a forum that wont allow people to expose the flaws in my "Ice Cream is Deadly Poison" Theory? Every time a debunker says that the cough I keep getting isnt caused by Ice Cream I want to go insane!

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Chem11
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The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 03-09-2003 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Might I humbly suggest that it may be worth while considering creating a forum section where people that are concerned with this issue can post information without the nonsense?

And that a suitable moderator be chosen or drafted accordingly?

Either that or change the URL to 'chemnoidcentral.com' (or something equally representative of the level of 'debate' that defines this site in 2003).

This forum bears little or no resemblance to the one I orginally joined, either in form or function. Occasionally, something worthwhile comes out of all this conflict, but that's by far the exception and not the rule.

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PHXPilot
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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

posted 03-09-2003 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PHXPilot   Visit PHXPilot's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.

Gee, who could have said that? Could it be...... THE BUDDAH???

Eh, that really had nothing to do with anything currently in the conversation, but I was just browsing quotes from my thesis paper im working on, and this quote popped right into my lap and I automatically thought of you guys when I read it.

Weird huh?


[Edited 1 times, lastly by PHXPilot on 03-09-2003]

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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE

heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003

posted 03-09-2003 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the professor   Visit the professor's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah and that last line about except it
and live up to it really speaks about your
situtation.

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David
Chemtrail Information Agent


1290 posts, Oct 2000

posted 03-09-2003 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This is the only forum where Debunkers and Chemnoids can get together and drive each other batty.

minnis/canex->>>>chemnoids?<<<< More insults, what a putz.

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PHXPilot
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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

posted 03-09-2003 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PHXPilot   Visit PHXPilot's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And every other part of it applies to your situation Prof.

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hitech_46253
Senior Member

Indianapolis, IN U.S.
499 posts, May 2001

posted 03-10-2003 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hitech_46253   Visit hitech_46253's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I AGREE that the debunkies should be IGNORED and you should spend your efforts on those who will listen. It's quite likely in fact that that's the very PURPOSE for them being here! FED provacateurs and plants are in many groups. 'Divide and Conquer' are the globalists chief theme. Biblically you are to 'shake the dust from your feet.' DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME!! Frequently when I bother to respond here it's to post mainstream stories that backup my argument and I try to speak PAST the debunkies to those who are truly seeking.

Copy the videotapes available.

Copy the patents and stories where the government ADMITS they're doing this. The Spotlight showed 4 different military programs before shutdown by the stinking ADL and Israeli lobby here, now renamed the American Free Press.

Point out when spraying is being done and show the clear PATTERN how this happens before oncoming rain fronts.

Get those older weather books with photos of what our skies USED to look like. Shake them out of their trance.

Show them the draconian CONTROLS the globalists are getting out of this. That is their MOTIVE in addition to the destruction to crops and property.

I've had a standing basic starter page for some time now at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/2196

By identifying their project and intentions EARLY and posting in a newsletter format for YEARS now and showing their progress, there aren't any dissenting voices on my thousands of subscribers as to what's really going on here. The truth stands on its own while LIES need more lies to keep them propped up. This is why satan boy Bush is having so much trouble these days.

So don't allow yourself to get BOGGED DOWN here which is very likely the INTENT of a site that has been turned over to debunkster CONTROL.

Shake the dust from your feet and GET ACTIVIST on their behinds!

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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist


East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001

posted 03-10-2003 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLKook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This site has changed greatly since I came on board too. Hearing what is being said I think it is a good idea to create a debunker free chemtrail forum. Preferably this main forum, and set up a new forum for chemtrail debate. Thermit? Lulu? Pen? What do you think?

I hope this will happen so that those that enjoy driving each other batty will have a place to do so without cluttering the discussion of those that are convinced of chemtrails.

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Lulu
ice behaving badly

right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000

posted 03-10-2003 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Given that I like to question all supposed truths FLKook...does this make me a debunker?

Originally Posted by Thermit ~

quote:
Chemtrails are less common than contrails, and many Chemtrail reports (but definately not all) are mistaken reports of actual contrails.

Since this is my position, and in a way I agree with both some of what the Chemtrail activists claim, and some of what the skeptics claim, I feel it is fair and correct that individuals of both points of view are able to participate in our forums.


http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000546.html

I am in total agreement with Thermit on this. I think both points of view should be allowed here, as long as it's done respectfully. That is healthy debate IMO.

Would it not be blatant censorship to ban all opposing/questioning views on chemtrails? Am I a debunker like Larry claims because I continue to question his supposed theory that chemtrails are causing droughts? Should I be banned from posting in the Chemtrails Forum FLKook?

This site has changed greatly since I came on board. It is a much more diversified website and Thermit has done an outstanding job!

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hitech_46253
Senior Member

Indianapolis, IN U.S.
499 posts, May 2001

posted 03-10-2003 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hitech_46253   Visit hitech_46253's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and we all think 'diversity' is so wonderful don't we? NOT!!

And you're a debunkster NOT because you disagree with my assertion on droughts, you are a debunkster because you have the same mentality demonstrated by PHX debunkie. "Seeing is not believing." And note that she must've waited at least one minute before responding to the Afghanistan information submitted on the drought thread. Well, I doubt she waited at ALL but there was at least a minute or so between posts.

I encourage people to check the information for THEMSELVES. You just say 'it's wrong.'

The changes in rain fronts are VISIBLE and the pattern of their being sprayed is REPEATABLE for anyone to see. The changes can also be monitored on satellite photos.

We have Motive.
We have the equipment identified.
We have the PATENTS.
We have the ADMISSIONS including weather mod.
We even had a congressional bill admitted.

But all we get here is white noise and the runaround set of denials of what we can plainly SEE.

I thoroughly encourage people to get active INDEPENDENT of this site and reach those who will listen.

People are becoming MORE open to this information now that they're seeing the true face of this satanic government in action.

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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist


East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001

posted 03-10-2003 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLKook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it's Thermit's ship so I'm not going to argue the point. I'm not for squelching debate simply containing it to a designated portion of the site. This doesn't seem like such a bad idea to me, in light of the members views we've heard from.

More so lately it seems every time a couple of activists try to have a discussion about the nature, frequency, or whatever other observations we have to resort back to the "are they or aren't they real" debate.

No one should be banned from posting anywhere but the raging debate of do they exist don't they exist could be held to one place.

Anyway, it's a moot issue if Thermit's against it.

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everetteyes
SARS4UPILOT

Everett WA
126 posts, May 2002

posted 03-10-2003 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for everetteyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hitech_

I must agree with all of your comments,the most treacherous and deceptive people on this site are the debunkers who pretend not to be!I think you know who I mean

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 03-10-2003 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would consider adding a new Chemtrails-only forum for those who don't want to have their messages questioned or their threads derailed, while leaving the current forums as they are, if there is enough interest from our members in this proposal...

I can envision a forum that is public, yet password protected for posting new topics and replying. Passwords would only be given to those who are wanting to post about Chemtrails and not debate the entire reality of Chemtrails. I think that there would still be some debate though, since there are different ideas about what Chemtrails are for. Passwords would be requested from one of the moderators, and only available to those with at least 50 posts.

Is there any interest in such a forum...?

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everetteyes
SARS4UPILOT

Everett WA
126 posts, May 2002

posted 03-10-2003 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for everetteyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YES......Sounds better then whats going on now.

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bigjoe
Weather Observer

Western New York
303 posts, Dec 2002

posted 03-10-2003 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigjoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FLKook, I think what you have suggested is an excellent idea, and I hope that Lulu and Thermit give it some serious consideration. I just don't feel that things are set up right now for friendly and healthy discussions. Let this page be for chemtrail believers only, and set up a separate page for the debunkers and those who want to debate with them. I think this will really help things flow a lot more smoothly and bring down the "anger factor" that is sharply rising on this website as of late.
An absolutely great idea!!!

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bigjoe
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Western New York
303 posts, Dec 2002

posted 03-10-2003 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigjoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely, Thermit!!!

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Chem11
megasprayer news


The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001

posted 03-10-2003 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I 'm a sucker for anything PW protected.

quote:
I think that there would still be some debate though, since there are different ideas about what Chemtrails are for.

I don't think that's a bad thing; it doesn't appear to be debate, per se, that people find tiring; it's pointless debate.

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emfx13
Moderator


Hayward Ca.U.S.A.
801 posts, May 2002

posted 03-10-2003 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emfx13   Visit emfx13's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YES!! that would be a GREAT idea!!!

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