posted 03-20-2003 04:27 PM            

The Thing.....1951

posted 03-20-2003 04:35 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by PHXPilot:
"Watch the Skies.... Everywhere"

The Thing.....1951

Good Lord, you are right! Based on this quote from a 1950s Sci-fi movie, I have come to the realization that chemtrails exist! How could I have been so blind when such an obvious piece of evidence has existed for so long! *trots off with newfound truth*[/B]

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posted 03-20-2003 08:33 PM            

Another question. Why do you come to this site? Are you here to just disrupt, want to find some information, or a government employee? I don't find you to be an especially caring fellow, like all your other debunker buddies, so it can't be an altruistic reason. If we're all just a bunch of communists, perverts, liberals, mis-directed conservatives, un-Americans, Saddam lovers, chemmies, hippies, cyberpunks, and idiots, then what's the point of being here?

posted 03-20-2003 08:58 PM            

You ask me this every day it seems. I am here because I want to give you guys actual, reliable, aviation info. Thats why I registered here in the first place, because I noticed that this subject was horribly lacking. You guys dont seem to want it, because it exposes flaws in your thoeries. If you dont want to know how aviation works, just tell me and I will go away. But it is a critical hinge in the chemtrail thoery. And since you guys seem to know so little about it, I thought I would provide you with the info so you can get all available info to base your chemtrails decision on.

Again, if you dont want to have all avialable aviation info to cross-check your thoeries with, well then just say so. Then you can go on making blind assumptions about how the aviation world works.

posted 03-20-2003 09:16 PM            

My policy in life is to never act with disrespect toward another human unless they disrespect you first. Whenever a new member comes onto this site with a question, I try never to come across as a jerk. I try to keep a respectful attitude as long as the opposite person maintains the same. If that person, though, starts taking cheap shots at me, you can bet I will lose that respectful attitude. Whenever BigJoe, Professor, Lulu or anyone else sends me a comment in a respectful manner, I will reply in the same manner, as cheerful and well mannered as I can. But if they start being jerks, I will no longer hold myself to that.

posted 03-20-2003 09:38 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by PHXPilot:
"Watch the Skies.... Everywhere"

The Thing.....1951

Good Lord, you are right! Based on this quote from a 1950s Sci-fi movie, I have come to the realization that chemtrails exist! How could I have been so blind when such an obvious piece of evidence has existed for so long! *trots off with newfound truth*

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To start out with, that's rather condescending remark. As if I'm soon star-struck idiot. Matter of fact. I've composed a few science fiction soundtracks, and have 3,000 sci-fi movies in my collection. I like to quote them, as many of them are prophetic.

If you smack someone in the back of the head, rather than punching them in the gut, it still hurts.

I ask you the question a few times, and you give the same answer, but act out differently. I approach people the same way you claim to. If you keep attacking people's caring nature concerning chemtrails, you are doing a lousy job of teaching them the truth.

I will call a truce to our bickering at this point. The ball's in your court now.

posted 03-20-2003 09:39 PM            

As will I, because this really isnt getting us anywhere in the grand scheme of things.

posted 03-20-2003 10:52 PM            

"Please don't send me any more e-mails. If you want to debate publicly at Chemtrails Central I will accept that. It seems to me that your reasons for adopting the views you adopt on chemtrails are either due to your religion, in which case talking to you is like talking to a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses or because you are insincere, in which case only public dialogue with you is appropriate.

Thank you.

WH
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Reynolds
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: chemtrails response

Wayne, responses below:

>What do you say about Teller's proposals for spraying aluminium oxide in the upper atmosphere as a means of dealing with the phenomenon of global warming.

Well, Wayne, I would say that the 'phenomenon'(your term) of global warming probably has little or nothing to do with man's activities.

-You have already lost all credibility with me. You are a marginal extremist with indefensible views. You are talking to someone living in Europe, don't forget.


Despite hype to the contrary, some by those with hidden agendas, and some with open ones, the fluctuation of temperatures and climates is a 'phenomenon' which far predates any influence man has or likely ever will have. In short, after extensive personal research into the subject in the ramp-up towards Kyoto, I found that no conclusive evidence has been presented which definitively shows anthropogenic CO2 caused warming has taken place, or ever will.


Regarding Teller, I agree with the premise of his proposal, "Society's emissions of carbon dioxide may or may not turn out to have something significant to do with global warming--the jury is still out. As a scientist, I must stand silent on this issue until it's resolved scientifically." http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/publications/digest/981/teller.html


-The jury is still out, but despite that measures are implemented for "dealing with" the phenomenon.


Further, Wayne, you need to read what NASA scientist Dr. Patrick Minnis, one of the world's foremost experts on clouds, as well as contrails, has to say about Teller's ideas, "

Because of my experience with meteorology, I am continuously baffled by the complexity of our atmosphere and of man's attempts to conciously alter it successfully for a particular goal. As I think I mentioned in the last email, the theories such as those you mention below (Teller) are still pie in the sky.

The best way to get a scattering effect that will do anything is to load up the stratosphere with submicron sized particles. To accomplish anything noticeable in terms of a climate effect you would have to loft material equivalent in weight/particle number to that injected by a volcano of the magnitude of El Chichon or greater, more like Pinatubo in size.

That would mean the planes would have to deposit 20,000,000 tons of material in the stratosphere every 2 or 3 years. To keep it up there, it would be best to place it in the Tropics meaning they would have to reach altitudes of 55,000 to 60,000 ft. To match the Pinatubo output, this means for the miltary's C-141B Starlifter with a capacity of 34.3 tons, it would require only 20,000,000 / 34.3 = 582,030 flights in the course of say, 3 years or roughly 195,000 flights each year or 531/day just to go up and spray a bunch of junk into the stratosphere. How much fuel do you think that would require?

If the military had 747s, then the number would drop by a third. But here is the problem. The volcanos put the material at altitudes above 60,000 ft. There are very few planes that can reach those altitudes and cargo planes are not included in that bunch. Most of them fly below 45,000 ft.
http://www.rense.com/general9/naschem.htm
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Do you know anything about whether or not these proposals are being implemented?

No one knows about such a proposal being implemented, which is telling, Wayne.


-What absolute nonsense. Somebody must know.


Consider carefully the flight and tonnage requirements,
plus the altitude problem outlined by Minnis above. Then consider the manpower and logistics of such an operation, which would include thousands of pilots, crews, mechanics, production and loading facilities, fuel costs, aircraft, managerial staff, etc. All kept as such a tight secret nobody has ever spilled the beans? Come on now!
Wayne, from what I've seen you seem far too intelligent a fellow to engage in such a diversion as chemtrails for long. Unless there is a hidden agenda or the idea of chemtrails provides support for another belief system, I expect you will see soon enough that you've been had by the chemmie propaganda machine and leave. If you would like any more from me you are welcome. When you come back to earth and want to help end the chemmie madness by exposing the falseness you will find, that will be welcomed by myself and others.

Best regards,
Jay

posted 03-21-2003 08:48 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by PHXPilot:...I spoke too soon. Let me just say somthing in my defense, once more. You are right that what I said what "condescending". But, as I stated before, I will mirror the tone of the person I am debating with. What I said before was a retalitation, of sorts. I made that comment because a few posts earlier, you compared me to hitler. You took a shot, so I took a shot.

And now I declare the truce. For real this time:

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posted 03-21-2003 09:27 PM            

quote:

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Maybe you should watch some Sci-Fi's like 1984, Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Things to Come, and Equilibrium to see your brain in action.

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posted 03-25-2003 08:21 AM            

"They Live" was absolutely CLASSIC though. All those hidden messages you could see once you put on your Hoffman lenses. "Marry and Reproduce." 'Obey authority.' 'SLEEP' And of course on the back of the currency... "THIS IS YOUR GOD."

posted 03-25-2003 04:19 PM            

Add another checkmark to the "PHX works for the government" tally. You wonder why I dont believe you when you say that you have your "eyes open" and cant be fooled. The reason I find it hard to believe you cant be fooled is because you find ways to fool yourselves!

Imagine being in my position.

You know that you are not working for the government. These people you are talking to constantly accuse you of working for the government, then they rant about how they cant be fooled. Would you believe that they have "open eyes" and cant be fooled when all they are doing is causing themselves to believe you are a government agent?

I find it incredible that many of you believe so strongly in this "PHX is a government agent" bull. How can I believe you have a rational reason for believing in chemtrails when all I have seen you do is create insane theories for no good reason?

posted 03-26-2003 04:15 AM            

If you want to look where arrogance has led your fellow-thinker Capt Walker look at the Big Chemtrail Evidences thread.

posted 03-26-2003 08:47 AM            

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Imagine being in my position.

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posted 03-26-2003 09:30 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by halva:
If you want to look where arrogance has led your fellow-thinker Capt Walker look at the Big Chemtrail Evidences thread.

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Where? Being called a zionist by dellusional hitech (he probably thinks his grandmother is one), being shunned by Swamp Gas because I don't smoke pot and having to endure 10,000 word cut and pastes by you that have nothing to do with the topic (do you really think a journalist from FTW has an unbiased view of what the real world thinks about the US government?!)? The questions that have been ignored time and time again...

And in a couple weeks when Saddam has been removed, Iraq has been liberated, the stock market takes off and people are breathing a little easier, will you be here to admit that all of your Red Dawn fantasies were exactly that?

I'll ask you the same question, will you be here in a couple weeks when this whole thing is over to eat crow?

I will ask you a THIRD time... will you be here in a couple weeks (or July since that seems to be an important month for you) to EAT crow when Iraq is liberated, our troops return, and there is no foreign troop takeover?

posted 03-26-2003 10:14 AM            

History is LITTERED with civilizations who demonstrate the monstrous arrogance and IGNORANCE you demonstrate here. Oh, I hope to be here in July continuing to beat your empty head against the hard concrete of TRUTH. I hope to continue to EXPOSE your idiocy that Lulu shares in. All you debunkies are so transparent. Again, ENJOY your starvation death in the FEMA camp. FOOL!

NUKE WARNING:
US-CHINA FACE-OFF AS RUSSIA HOLDS FIRE http://www.gulufuture.com/news/nuke_war030321.htm

Title: RUSSIA ASKS RHETORICAL QUESTION: IS U.S. ABOUT TO DECLARE WAR ON HER? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/3528

DANGER: ZIONIZED BOOBY TRAP AHEAD http://etherzone.com/2003/moor032603.shtml
First, Zionism is quite different than Judaism and is therefore much more than a Jewish phenomenon Second, Zionism has all the elements of trickery and deception it needs to quality for the term "pernicious." A staff writer for the Rense website recently did an article explaining the difference between Zionism and Judaism. It was a well-written, informative piece which explained the substantive difference between the two philosophies, but in my view it did not go far enough. It did not explain, for example, the ultimate goal of Zionism and the manipulative techniques Zionists use to help them reach their goal. This article will attempt to do that.... The Zionists, however, scoff at this aspect of true Jewishness. They prefer to practice the sort of Jewery that allows them to pass themselves off as authentic Jews, and at the same time use their talents for scheming and chicanery to obscure their true motives -- promoting Israel statehood in defiance of Torah law, political and economic control on an international level, and eventual total world domination. Given this Draconian scenario, Zionism is more than just a simple booby trap. It's a black hole which Jews and gentiles alike would be smart to avoid at all cost.

(As you read this next post, substitute 'FALSE' in front of the term 'jewish.' These aren't REAL 'jews' we're talking about here but the FALSE ones mentioned in Revelation 2 vs. 9 and elsewhere.)

From: Everyman
To: HouseofChing@yahoogroups.com ; frameup@yahoogroups.com ; nygreens ; the911coverup
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:49 AM
Subject: [govtwatch] Response to those who downplay this story: The Iraqi war has convinced the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leadership that some form of confrontation with the U.S. could come earlier than expected.

Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.gw-bush,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Nice going Bush. Now China's getting ready to go to war with the US !

First there was this story:

>> HONG KONG, China (Network News) --The Iraqi war has convinced the Chinese
>> Communist Party (CCP) leadership that some form of confrontation with the
>> U.S. could come earlier than expected. (more below)

But this rebuttal:

"St. Alicia Erisdaughter" wrote

> Rest easy, China wont overextend itself and attack directly...it is
> terrorism you must now worry about.

> Erisdaughter

This claim is totally untennable and you are suspect for asserting it so "rest-easy" confidently.

China and Israel have been close secret partners, geopolitically, ideologically (Zhou Enlai's elusive non-Maoist ideology (which won out over Maoism through Zhou's protege Deng etc.) and Lin Piao and Trotskyitism of the Israeli kibbutzim, labour party and conspiratorial Likud). They were the first nations to recognize each other when each state was created in 1948-49. Israel has spied upon the US and given all major discoveries to CHina, including the neutron bomb and the technology that enables an attacker to blind entire battlefields of enemy soldiers etc.

But not only Israel and CHina -- but the ruling financial elites of both Britain and the US are but servants to this alliance -- yes, the grat merchant banking house, particularly the ROthschilds -- an ideology that, despite all trappings of Marxism, liberalism, conservatism, neo-conservatism, labor, republican or democrat is really only one: anti-populism anti-middle-class common-man and for a deviant top-dog-position focused murderous sadistic elite -- they too are in on the alliance -- in fact ruling it. (The chinese army has long been trained for war with the US -- they have bread a surplus of males specifically for a large army -- and not only is their CHina's army, the largest in the world and equipped with every technology that we have, plus some that we gave up as too inhumane (see for example the two weapons I mention above) -- there are also the armies of China's low-profile-relationship satellites, North Korea and Vietnam, with the second and third largest enemies respectively.

But China has the strategy: "when the enemy attacks you, retreat; when the enemy is stationary, harass and destabilize him; when the enemy is weak and has divided himself too thin and his resources are completely spent, attack in full force and destroy completely."

Just 50 years ago, Zhou Enlai told Nasser (who became alarmed): "We cannot defeat the Americans today, but we can defeat their grandchildren today."

The Jewish-led flood of pornography, of drugs, of easy divorce, a destructive monetary policies (chronic inflaiton robbing savers of savings, rewarding profligates for wreckless spending -- of creating recessions, S&L crises, leveraged buyouts etc. in economy saborate; of the deliberate dumbing down of education (in the hypocritical name of affirmative action); of the destruction of homemaking (woman's lib); of the deliberate promotion of male homosexuality while at the same time unleashing the synthetic disease AIDS...

All of this was done in obedience to the plane of Zhou Enlai and his affiliates in The City and on Wall Street -- i.e., the Bilderbergs, the COunsel of Foreign Relations, on the Trilateral Commission -- and their tools, the CIA, the ADL, MI6, ACLU (at the highest levels); infiltrated unions and infiltrated-at-the-top "mainstream" political parties.

But now that CLinton (CFR) and Bush Sr. (CIA, CFR) and Bush Jr. (really Wolfowitz, Pearle, and other Jewish handlers) have obligingly given "CHina the store" -- dumped all of our tax-financed defense arsenal in the Balkan mountain sides, in Afganistan mountain sides, and, enforcing the Iraq no-fly zone -- firing $1 million missiles at machine gun nests -- also CLinton's "post-cold war" disarmament of the US -- CLOSING ALL BASES ON THE WEST COAST!!! AND HELPING CHINA BUY SOME OF THOSE BASES !!!! Giving CHina the Panama canal. ANd we have caught CHina importing, through the port of Oakland, automatic weapons for US street gangs (after our food supply is cut off and after the Chinese use electro-magnetic pulse weaponry to shut down our electronics infrastructure, and an infiltrated illegal-immigrant 5th column to poison our water supplies and other critical systems holding up our civiliztion -- and all of our forces have been sent to Kuwait and are stranded and deliberately undersupplied by Jews RUmsfeld and WOlfowitz -- to be slaughtered -- even the sandstorm is the result of clandestine weather modification weapons against US soldiers.

Did you think for a minute that Saddam was really more of an enemy to the Establishment than men like me, like the Liberty Lobby, like the Birchers, like Buchanan, like the greens, like all the awake anti-globalization, anti-finance-capitalism and anti-zionism people in the US and in the world? THE TARGET FOR THEM IS ALWAYS POPULISM!!!!

And so they Rothschild, the Bronfmens, the Zuckermans, the Rockefellers, the Harrimans --- the list is long and no one is sure what individuals belong on it and which do not -- but the "conspiracy" is there (yes, it is a conspriacy -- it is the true conspiracy behind all the ignorant speculations and deliberatly planted disinformation -- this is the real conspiracy, and it is now in the final act of its grand design.

Bush is intentionally intolerable. The policy is intended to enflame the world and the people of the US (in Oregon, a state embedded with quiet super-rich, a major pedophilia and satanism center) several state senators have just proposed for immediate action a bill that would define as "terrorism" any public demonstration against the war that is deemed in any way disruptive of normal concourse or gives aid and comfort to "the enemy" -- and would require a "one-strike and you're out LIFE SENTENCE -- (believe me, I will be in Oregon the very next day after this passes -- remember that, please, fellow fighters!) -- anyway, as I was saying -- the deviant elites are destroying this country in advance of the Far East invading armies (who will fly over in a fleet of a thousand Boeings we have sold them) -- and a confused populace will not know whether to welcome them as liberators (like Bush is supposed to be "liberating" Iraq -- i.e., pure disinformation psychological warfare -- taking away people's ability to identify the real foe -- that Bush AND CHINESE IN U.N. UNIFORMS can be both the REAL FOE, the dealers in our deaths.

You will know I am right when a major killer virus suddenly appears (like the great killer flu appeared during world war one -- to distract common people from any populist anti-war movment around the world at the time -- more died from that influenza than from the entire war itself -- a bred virus, bred among confined chinese to be unleased at the right moment back then, and perhaps today as well.)

Gee, if I had time, I'd explain more. But I have been saying this for a few years now. (honest)

So, you, tootz, are full of it, and suspicously so.

Dick Eastman

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"Todd Clarke" wrote in message news:<8i3ga.1301$Tv6.1180@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>...
> Anyone with kids might as well start telling them it's going to be a
> very short life.
>
>
> China readies for future U.S. fight
> By CNN Senior China Analyst Willy Wo-Lap Lam
>
>
> HONG KONG, China (CNN) --The Iraqi war has convinced the Chinese
> Communist Party (CCP) leadership that some form of confrontation with the
> U.S. could come earlier than expected.
>
> Beijing has also begun to fine-tune its domestic and security policies
> to counter the perceived threat of U.S. "neo-imperialism."
>
> As more emphasis is being put on boosting national strength and
> cohesiveness, a big blow could be dealt to both economic and political
> reform.
>
> That the new leadership has concluded China is coming up against
> formidable challenges in the short to medium term is evident from recent
> statements by President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao.
>
> Hu indicated earlier this year Beijing must pay more attention to
> global developments so that "China make good preparations before the
> rainstorm ... and be in a position to seize the initiative."
>
> Wen also pointed out in the first meeting of the State Council, or
> cabinet, last Saturday the leadership "must keep a cool head."
>
> "We must boost our consciousness about disasters and downturns -- and
> think about dangers in the midst of [apparent] safety," he said.
>
> Alarm bells about a deteriorating international situation have been
> sounded by the CCP's secretive Leading Group on National Security (LGNS),
> which coordinates policies in areas including diplomacy, defense and energy.
>
> The LGNS, which is headed by Hu, has since early this month called a
> series of meetings to discuss ways to handle the Iraqi crisis.
>
> In the near term, of course, the focus is on the impact of rising oil
> prices -- and on the need to build up a strategic oil reserve that can last
> at least 30 days.
>
> However, economic concerns are not the top priority. Given the
> likelihood oil prices will drop after the resolution of the conflict, some
> government economists are saying the war's impact on this year's economic
> performance will be insubstantial.
>
> Officials even cite the safe haven theory to predict foreign direct
> investment flowing into China will exceed the record $52 billion last year.
>
> Of more concern to the LGNS is the perceived expansion of American
> unilateralism if not neo-imperialism.
>
> As People's Daily commentator Huang Peizhao pointed out last Saturday,
> U.S. moves in the Middle East "have served the goal of seeking world-wide
> domination."
>
> State Council think-tank member Tong Gang saw the conflict as the
> first salvo in Washington's bid to "build a new world order under U.S.
> domination."
>
> Chinese strategists think particularly if the U.S. can score a
> relatively quick victory over Baghdad, it will soon turn to Asia -- and
> begin efforts to "tame" China.
>
> It is understood the LGNS believes the U.S. will take on North
> Korea -- still deemed a "lips-and-teeth" ally of China's -- as early as this
> summer.
>
> These developments have prompted China to change its long-standing
> geopolitical strategy, which still held true as late as the 16th CCP
> Congress last November.
>
> Until late last year, Beijing believed a confrontation with the U.S.
> could be delayed -- and China could through hewing to the late Deng
> Xiaoping's "keep a low profile" theory afford to concentrate almost
> exclusively on economic development.
>
> "Now, many cadres and think-tank members think Beijing should adopt a
> more pro-active if not aggressive policy to thwart U.S. aggression," said a
> Chinese source close to the diplomatic establishment.
>
> He added hard-line elements in the People's Liberation Army (PLA) had
> advocated providing weapons to North Korea to help Pyongyang defend itself
> against a possible U.S. missile strike at its nuclear facilities.
>
> Forestalling the challenge
> Even less hawkish experts are advocating beefing up the national
> security apparatus.
>
> Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) economist Yang Fan pointed
> out the recent global flare-ups had alerted China to the imperative of
> improving national security and cohesiveness.
>
> "Equal weight should be given to economic development and national
> security," Yang said. "As we become more prosperous, we must concentrate our
> forces [on safeguarding national safety]."
>
> What is China doing to forestall the perceived U.S. challenge?
>
> Firstly, the CCP leadership is fostering nationalistic sentiments, a
> sure-fire way to promote much-needed cohesiveness.
>
> While not encouraging anti-U.S. demonstrations, Beijing has informed
> the people of what the media calls "increasingly treacherous international
> developments."
>
> This explains what analysts including Beijing scholars considered the
> unexpectedly virulent official reaction to the start of the Iraq war.
>
> Foreign Ministry spokesman Kong Quan said the U.S.-led military
> campaign had "trampled on the U.N. constitution and international law" and
> that it would lead to regional and global instability.
>
> Equally tough statements were issued by the National People's Congress
> (NPC) and the advisory Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference.
>
> Major official media such as Xinhua and People's Daily have run dozens
> of articles and analyses whose gist is that, in the words of commentator Li
> Xuejiang, the invasion of Iraq had "damaged the international order."
>
> In an apparent departure from Beijing's cautious attitude at the
> beginning of the Iraqi crisis, authorities last weekend allowed a group of
> nationalist intellectuals to hold a conference condemning U.S. "hegemonism."
>
> The corollary of boosting national cohesiveness could be the
> suppression of dissent, particularly politically incorrect views expressed
> by "pro-West" intellectuals.
>
> The warning and punishment that party authorities recently meted out
> to several Beijing and provincial publications may augur a relatively
> prolonged period of ideological control in the interest of promoting "unity
> of thinking."
>
> On the economic front, the authorities may play up the imperative of
> concentrating resources to boost China's "economic security" and "energy
> security."
>
> "The Wen leadership is checking out why earlier plans to build up a
> strategic oil reserve failed to materialize last year, when prices were much
> lower," said a Beijing-based party source.
>
> "It is possible that bucking the overall trend of market reforms,
> Beijing may bring back more government fiats to sectors deemed to have
> strategic and national-security implications."
>
> It is instructive that in his 90-minute long interview with the
> international media last week, Wen was quite reticent about boosting
> economic reform such as the liberalization of state-owned enterprises.
>
> In accordance with the theory of "the synthesis of [the needs of] war
> and peace," civilian economic projects in areas including infrastructure may
> be planned will the requirements of the defense forces in mind.
>
> On the military front, the Iraqi conflict will kick start another
> season of accelerated modernization of weaponry.
>
> Diplomatic analysts in Beijing said PLA officers and strategists had
> been scrutinizing the latest hardware used by American and British forces.
>
> They pointed out the PLA's astonishment at the wizardry of American
> firearms used in the 1991 Gulf War was a major factor behind the Chinese
> army's aggressive modernization drive through the 1990s.
>
> Academy of Military Sciences (AMS) expert Peng Guanqian pointed out
> that the Iraqi war would provide the Pentagon with "a testing ground for new
> military equipment and strategies."
>
> The Liberation Army Daily last Friday quoted unnamed officers from the
> Army and the People's Armed Police as saying the PLA must "quicken the pace
> of military modernization."
>
> Such developments could in turn hasten a possible showdown between the
> two countries that harbor deep-seated mistrust of each other even in
> relatively tranquil times.

posted 03-26-2003 03:58 PM            

From what Ive seen, apperantly you hope that by saying it, it makes it true. I have seen a big load of nothing in the form of chemtrail evidence. You ca go ahead and keep saying that you have "all the evidence in the world", and hope that someone passing by thinks "oh, they have all the evidence in the world, they must be right". But in reality, you have very little, if not none. Example: Go look at the "chemtrail evidence" thread. What have many chemmies done instead of showing evidence? "Clinton *whine, whine*, New world order *whine* *cry*. debunkers are stupid *wimper*."

Yeah, all that evidence. And all the evidence that I work for the government. Oh right, there isnt any, I wonder why????

I think Halva is really a banana!! I have no evidence that he is a typing banana, but there is not evidence to the contrary!! And only a banana would deny he is really a banana.

Halva is one of THEM!!

Believing I am government agent without evidence = true

Believing chemtrails exist without any evidence = true