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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-10-2003 09:21 PM
   
I just have a few questions for all the chemtrail believers out there, because I havent been able to get a real good idea of your stances on these items (im getting varied, unconsistant responses).So, Im not looking for personal slander, off topic rants, or sarcastic/condescending responses. Just answers. 1. What aircraft do the majority of believers think are producing these "chemtrails" (eg: Commercial Aircraft, Specialized Government Aircraft, US Military Aircraft, etc..) 2. What do the majority believe is inside these chemtrails? (eg: Barium, Aluminum, etc..) 3. What do you believe is the purpose of these chemtrails? 4. Who do you think is the main "ringleader" in the chemtrail spraying? (eg: President, The UN, CIA, Easter Bunny, etc...) Thank you.  
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-11-2003 09:45 AM
For criss sake phx give it up! Questions question questions. Read the threads, there are lots of them. If you haven't figured it out by now, you never will. Give it a rest!!
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emfx13
Moderator
Hayward Ca.U.S.A.
801 posts, May 2002
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posted 03-11-2003 10:19 AM
#1.Specialized Government Aircraft #2.Not sure #3.Protection from sloar activity/weather #4.A covert operation airforce/nato...... Here you go, a serious response,have a good day PHX.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by emfx13 on 03-11-2003]
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 03-11-2003 11:03 AM
Pilot It really would be best for you to find something more constructive to do with your free time or is this part of what you are paid for? Give it UP
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Jeanie on 03-11-2003]
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bigjoe
Weather Observer
Western New York
303 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 03-11-2003 01:02 PM
ditto, ditto and ditto!!!
Have a good one PHX.
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everetteyes
SARS4UPILOT
Everett WA
126 posts, May 2002
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posted 03-11-2003 02:38 PM
phxpilot,
Goverment tool or goverment stool I don't care,I just hope they fire you.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by everetteyes on 03-11-2003]
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CaptWalker
logic infuser
99 posts, Feb 2003
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posted 03-11-2003 02:56 PM
PHX, did you really expect an actual response? You and I could have guessed what the responses would be. I've asked numerous specific questions before and they NEVER answer them.Jeanie, what is your favorite color?
Answer - "The evidence of my favorite color has already been presented, look it up for yourself." Professor, what is your favorite color?
Answer - "Prove that my favorite color does/doesn't exist first." BTW, my favorite color is sky blue, just like I see all the time in the sky. PHX what is your favorite color?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-11-2003 04:24 PM
Well, I completely expected to get a whole lot of crap responses from certain individuals because those people cant seem to follow instructions or answer a simple question worth diddly. Sooooo, thank you emfx13 for your response.Another thing I was trying to show here was that Chemtrail believers do not know the answers to any of those questions. As Emfx13 showed, some people do have an individual theory, which is fine. But there doesnt seem to be a "one and only" answer that is recongized by the entire community. Instead of answering the questions, they just blabber and spit venom because they dont want to look mature or intelligable, apperantly. If you haven't figured it out by now, you never will. Well, It seems that none of you guys have figured it out either. None of you guys can agree on what is spraying, who is spraying, or what is being sprayed. If you did, you would have taken the less retarded route and answered the questions. And my favorite color is Blue as well Capt.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PHXPilot on 03-11-2003]
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emfx13
Moderator
Hayward Ca.U.S.A.
801 posts, May 2002
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posted 03-11-2003 04:32 PM
Your welcome.Anytime......
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-11-2003 06:04 PM
quote:
because those people cant seem to follow instructions or answer a simple question worth diddly
Follow instructions, hey pal, kiss me where the sun don't shine! Walker the salesman can do the same.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-11-2003 06:47 PM
*crying*, David, why do you hurt me inside like that? *sob* I was a debunker until you told me to kiss your ass, then I suddenly saw the light and followed the teachings of the great, all-knowing, David the chemmie. *weeping with joy* If only you knew how good it felt to finally let go of all hope for humanity and finally admit that poison is being dropped on us daily by a giant fleet of non-existant all white aircraft.In celebration of my new found chemtisity, I will start yelling at the aircraft as they fly through the sky as if I am making some influence on the pilots way of life. Thanks David!!!!
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 03-11-2003 11:01 PM
PHX Pilot, have you changed your mind about talking to a Greek scientist about it? He might give you straight answers.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-11-2003 11:05 PM
If you can get him on here, by all means do. But, I just realized that I never recieved the link to the video. Oh well. I guess it was too much to ask.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 03-11-2003 11:18 PM
OK. I'll try to get him on. Good to see you HAVE changed your mind. You might have to wait a few weeks. I'm hoping to be able to meet him on neutral ground without having to take the specific initiative myself.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 03-12-2003 12:25 AM
Other forum participants: PHX Pilot has started asking different kinds of questions and I think it would be good to try to understand what may be going on in his mind. If you look at the thread "Chemtrails mentioned on national TV in Greece" you will see that I point out how the antiwar movement in Europe against the impending American attack on Iraq does not show any sign of being interested in the question of chemtrails (the Greek PRIN newspaper is an exception because it does not belong to the majority sections of the left that have been co-opted by "the international community"). I ask: is it the "American patriot" current or the "international community" current that is primarily behind chemtrails.The conflict between these two is coming to a head at the moment with the showdown at the United Nations. This may be what PHX Pilot has in mind with the new questions he is asking.
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X marks the spot
New Member
13 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-12-2003 01:31 AM
My favorite color used to be deep blue.But now, it is bluish-white. ------------------
A deceived person does not know that they are deceived. If they did, then they wouldn't be deceived. A deceived person may be sincere, but sincerely wrong.
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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist
East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 03-12-2003 08:10 AM
PHX your're exactly right. I didn't answer the questions because I don't know. Those are the $64,000 questions. Many of the theories around have struck a note with me at diffent times.
The only question I'm even close to having an opinion on now is the who AF/NATOIf it makes you happy to have a non-response response here ya go... 1. Dunno
2. Dunno
3. Dunno
4. Dunno
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CaptWalker
logic infuser
99 posts, Feb 2003
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posted 03-12-2003 04:29 PM
Kook, that is actually a better answer than most will post. IMHO it's fine to say I believe that CT's exist but I'm not sure yet what exactly is being sprayed or who is doing it. I of course disagree with that statement, but at least it's not, "look it up for yourself" or "just look in the sky".
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bigjoe
Weather Observer
Western New York
303 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 03-12-2003 04:33 PM
PHX. I've given a lot of thought to what you have said, and here's what I believe. And mind you... this is just my own opinion.
As with FLK, I have a lot of "dunno's". Wish I didn't, but I still do. I do believe, however, that the "who" is the AF/NATO grouping. And as to the "why", I believe that it's largely for weather modification. When looking at the sat images, weather maps, doppler radar, chemtrails, etc. (I'm an AMATEUR meteorologist, NOT a professional, I'll confess on that one), one of the most distinct patterns that emerges to me is that the chemtrails are definately weather related, at least most of the ones that I've seen so far. I've also been studying thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of COLOR photos from the present time (2003) and going all the way back to the early 1940's (chemtrails don't show up very well on B&W photos,), and I've also come to the conclusion that this whole thing actually started during the early part of World War II and was obviously done in total secrecy. The secrecy continued, however, right into and through the cold war, and to make a long story short, right into the present time. However, they are obviously spraying MUCH, much more than they were back in the early 1940's, but we did have the equipment and technology back then to begin serious weather modification experiments. I've actually come across photos of days back in the late 1940's and early 1950's that almost look as if they were taken in 2003, the sky was so full of chemtrails and chemclouds. Also, old family 35mm slides taken in the mid to late 1950's were really an eye opener for me. An excellent book on this topic is Joseph F. Goodavage's "Our Threatened Planet". His chapter on "Weather Warfare" is especially enlightening and has also further convinced me that "they" have been doing this much, much longer than most people realize. This whole "chemtrail project" is really, absolutely HUGE.
Anyway, PHX, that's just my humble opinion on this whole chemtrail issue which you requested. And I could be totally wrong, I won't deny that (although I'm still waiting for the evidence that will change my mind!!!). But let's not debate or argue about that... PLEASE!!!
So, here's wishing you the best!!!
bigjoe
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CaptWalker
logic infuser
99 posts, Feb 2003
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posted 03-12-2003 05:09 PM
one of the most distinct patterns that emerges to me is that the chemtrails are definately weather related, at least most of the ones that I've seen so far.Joe, I would be interested to hear why you think that. They cause weather, they only appear where there is/isn't weather...?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-12-2003 05:44 PM
Thank you VERY much, Bigjoe, for that mature and respectful response. I wish more people would learn to take that route.As for the photos of "chemtrails" from the 40s and 50s. This is what I mean when I talk about circular reasoning. You see long lasting contrails today, you believe they are chemicals because they last a long time. We say that these are normal and have existed since the first aircraft made contrails. You see photos from the 40s showing B-17s/B-24s/P-51s/ME-262s/ME-109s in WWII making long lasting contrails, so instead of acknowledging that long lasting contrails have always existed, and that they tried for YEARS to get them to go away, you conclude from this that all of those contrails must have had chemicals in them. When I see photos of both sides of the war effort (axis and allies) creating long lasting contrails, and reading about how they spend tons of money and loads of time trying to keep these huge contrails from forming behind thier aircraft because it was tipping off the enemy to the bombers location, I cant grasp hold of the concept that contrails cannot be sustained unless they are pumped full of chemicals. It is clearly shown that they can and will self-sustain. So in conclusion, when we see old photos of big contrails, we think it re-inforces our side of the debate that these contrails have always existed without the help of foreign chems. And when you guys see old photos with big contrails is them, you think it shows that chemical spraying were being done with B-17s and Mustangs back in WWII. Everyone is going to have to decide which side they believe is more feasible.
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emfx13
Moderator
Hayward Ca.U.S.A.
801 posts, May 2002
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posted 03-12-2003 06:35 PM
I am aware that "Contrail's have been around for awhile,i feel it is an easy way to hide the "Chemical" spraying,by imitating something we are all familiar with....."contrail's.It is mental conditioning at it's finest.
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emfx13
Moderator
Hayward Ca.U.S.A.
801 posts, May 2002
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posted 03-12-2003 06:37 PM
I am aware that "Contrail's have been around for awhile,i feel it is an easy way to hide the "Chemical" spraying,by imitating something we are all familiar with....."contrail's".It is mental conditioning at it's finest.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-12-2003 07:27 PM
This is where I have a hard time grasping the chemtrail theory. It seems that you have just acknowledged that long-lasting contrails have always existed. But you say that what you see in the sky is not contrails, but chemicals only (as indicated by your use of the word "imitating".)Now, how do you decide whether a plume of cloud trailing behind an aircraft is an actual contrail, or chemicals? I have watched airliners for YEARS and have never seen an airliner trail anything but normal looking contrails. They always start to appear around the horizontal stabilizer, curl up a few hundred feet behind once they are hit with the wake vortex off the wingtips, and, depending on conditions, either billow out larger (Example: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/287638/L/ ) or dissipate after a few seconds (Example: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/299437/L/ ) By this evidence, they MUST be spraying these crazy chemicals from the engine area.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 03-13-2003 04:42 PM
PHX Pilot, is Teller's study "Global Warming and the Ice Ages: Prospects for Physics-based Modulation of Global Change" a figment of the imagination?
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