posted 03-28-2003 05:38 PM            

Yea,I gonna let some punk ass kid tell me that what I've seen with my own eyes is not really taking place.

posted 03-28-2003 08:00 PM            

Hey PHX should we sing a round of We shall not be moved, Or Solidarity for ever.??

posted 03-28-2003 08:01 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Jeanie:
Pilot, do you have any idea how the aluminum is getting into the atmosphere?

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I would say all that aluminum in the atmosphere is the thousands of aircraft in the sky each and every day.

posted 03-29-2003 12:08 AM            

Photos show the trails alright, but the a/c is far too high in altitude to be recognizable. I can't even ID outline of a/c w/binoculars, unlike commercial a/c at lower altitude NOT leaving a trail.

PHXpilot said >>Airliners do not take the same route to their destination on every flight.<<

I am very aware of that, but what I was trying to point out was that one a/c had laid down a CHEMtrail that was spreading out as the hour passed, and ANOTHER a/c was flying alongside (my perspective permitting) and its trail was dissipating within 30 seconds, per the norms.

PHXpilot said >>But so are persistent, hour long contrails. But conditions needed to make those big, long lasting contrails are harder to achieve, hence the tendency for them to show up only once in a while.<<

That is another point being made by some posters here....that when these trails happen, they last all day long; they spread out into cloud formations; they happen in odd patterns, as you've seen from the photos. As the years go by the records kept by some are following definite patterns.

PHXpilot said >>But they were wrong, the aircraft in the photo was not that low. It looked to be still fully in the altitude range normally suited for contrails. I have never seen an aircraft leave a persistant contrail at an altitude where there shouldnt be any at all. But keep in mind, as long as conditions are right, aircraft can create those contrails at ANY altitude.<<

I was not talking about a photo shown on this BB. I was talking about my own observations.
I am using as much information I've learned about a/c and the atmosphere as I can...that's why these day-long chemtrails are so odd and bring on questions.

I'll ask if you've ever seen this phenonomen in AZ? I'm talking about your area sky filled w/the trails that last all day and form their own cloud formations.

Ciao, Shadow

posted 03-29-2003 09:50 AM            

C'mon Shadow!!! Pleeeeease use some sense here. What could possibly be the cause of aircraft above a certain altitude creating contrails, while aircraft below that altitude are not? Come on, think! No, not poison. Look, There probably was an air mass above a certain altitude that held better contrail forming conditions, and most air traffic was cruising below that altitude.

posted 03-30-2003 05:42 PM            

Sorry, but I've never mentioned 'poison'.. nor do I appreciate your derision.

If you prefer nitpicking every word or observation, so be it, but your opinion of anyone else's intelligence here does not negate the fact that the trails observed are different from normal condensation trails, and these 'trails' remain in the sky, spreading out, covering the visible area for the remainder of a day... Not 'short afternoons' as you snidly remarked to someone else.

I believe most folks here are simply coming together to discuss this 'unknown', as it were, like many other discussions on varied subjects elsewhere.

Why you've taken on the job of 'educating us', AS YOU PUT IT, with put-downs is a conundrum. You have no proof that what is observed is NOT different from 'normal' contrails anymore than we have proof that they ARE.

posted 03-30-2003 06:34 PM            

They ARE normal contrails. Thats what pisses me off; that you cant understand that!

...and these 'trails' remain in the sky, spreading out, covering the visible area for the remainder of a day

Thats how contrails act!!!

Not 'short afternoons' as you snidly remarked to someone else.

That wasnt me.

Why you've taken on the job of 'educating us', AS YOU PUT IT, with put-downs is a conundrum.

After I 'teach' you time and time again, and then you completely ignore it and make up your own laws of the universe, I start to lose my composure.

You have no proof that what is observed is NOT different from 'normal' contrails anymore than we have proof that they ARE.

AAAAAAAAHHHHHH. STOP SAYING THAT!! Thats like saying "you have no proof that the monkey I saw was NOT made of pudding, anymore than we have proof that it was." What your admitting is that you HAVE NO PROOF!! We have remarks from pilots, meterologists, WWII veterans, etc.. that these are completely normal contrails acting in the same way they always have, and you, still, have NOTHING!

Open discussion is the operative word on this site, from what I have observed....communication...not ridicule.

I tried that for months. It is useless to the chemmies on here. There is no point explaining things. They will ignore it.

posted 03-30-2003 07:04 PM            

Same with radiation in the 50's. If any of you remember the commercials then (I do), the government was actaully saying radiaition wasn't that bad (Watch the movie Atomic Cafe). THIS WAS TO PROTECT THEIR JOBS. Just the same as these Pilots who frequent these boards. Same sad story all over again. Folks, these are COMMERCIAL pilots, trying to protect their jobs. The only military pilot is Pacer, who is simply here to put some "official" word and credence to the issue.

posted 03-30-2003 08:10 PM            

Oh for crying out loud. Why would we be protecting our jobs? Do you think we feel our jobs are threatened? Do you think that if you ran around posting flyers everywhere, the airlines would start laying off pilots?

posted 03-30-2003 08:23 PM            

mu metal is mainly used in shielding "radiated electronic noise"...magnetic fields and such I never heard of it's use being for radiation on the level your implying...all mu metal does is shield an object inside it from a magnetic field or electronic noise...

of course then again maybe a part time *musician* and or a floor sweeper for a chip factory may know more than me....