posted 03-27-2003 10:16 PM            

Aircraft trailing good, persisting, contrails?

Heres water vapor imagery for Cali.: http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/satellite/4km/WR/WV4.GIF

As you can see, there is an enourmous amount of water vapor over LA and much of south cali. You can also see this over Phoenix, where I saw pretty good contrails today also. So, I kind of expected to see some contrails. So, really no red flags there either.

If FeelinKocky or anyone else would like to back me up or correct me, please do, as I am not a great meteorologist.

During that, about 3 planes flew in the same path they always do around here

This seems to indicate its regular commercial air service.

There is definitely something going on!

posted 03-27-2003 10:54 PM            

Well, this actually is how contrails act, despite what certain folks would lead you to believe. And, one of the staples of the chemtrail theory is " I see some planes making persistent contrails, and some others dont."

Look at this photo: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/329340/L/

As this photo shows, their are DOZENS of variables that need to be in place to produce certain types of contrails (none, short lived, long lived). The A340 in the photo may possibly have a higher exaust gas temp (EGT) and the C-5 may have a lower EGT, causing the A340 to make contrails, and the C-5 to not produce any. Note they are both at, more or less, the same altitude.

You cannot say with 100% certainty that "There will only be persistent contrails today", or "All contrails will last onyl 7 seconds today".

posted 03-27-2003 11:46 PM            

Keep in mind that the debunkers like PHXPilot (good cop), and Seeker (Bad cop) will give you various types of theories on why everything you're seeing is contrails. There has been no military pilots posting on here, because they would probably be sworn to secrecy. These pilots are all commercial, and frankly, the shear number trying to disprove chemtrails means there is something other than what they claim.

posted 03-27-2003 11:55 PM            

There has been no military pilots posting on here, because they would probably be sworn to secrecy.

Oh yeah, lets just completely forget Pacerl35, the military Lear-35 transport pilot. He is/was one of the best debunkers on here. Hasnt posted much lately though, but look through the archives, read his postings.

...will give you various types of theories on why everything you're seeing is contrails.

Im not just pulling the explainations out of the air, they are well known and observable facts about contrails. Contrails can last for many hours, and they can grow and spread. With many put together, they can cause a "whiteout". Im not trying to pull any punches. Thats what they are.

These pilots are all commercial, and frankly, the shear number trying to disprove chemtrails means there is something other than what they claim.

posted 03-28-2003 12:00 AM            

I highly doubt this is the case. I have seen aircraft at all flight levels trail nice, big, persistent contrails. Many of the chemtrail believers on here have claimed they see "chemtrails" at lower altitudes than normal. Again, I think neither is the case.

Today, 3/27, it seemed there was one a/c flying a pattern of north to south, back and forth.
I cannot identify the a/c with military binoculars because of its altitude and distance from my position.
I have observed one a/c turning around - doing a 180 degree turn - and returning back beside the previous trail. This pattern went on for hours last month.

posted 03-28-2003 12:21 AM            

Sorry, but these patterns were different than the latest refueling runs we're used to observing lately.

Maybe if you witnessed these as they happen you'd want to investigate further.

Yesterday, there were a couple of commerical a/c tracking a bit different course and their contrails dissapated within minutes, like normal.

I'm not trying to sound hoaxus-poxus in my curiosity, even tho I'm curious like others across the country who question these occurances, especially when the patterns are so odd.

Ciao, Shadow

posted 03-28-2003 12:25 AM            

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Originally posted by ScaredForTheFuture:
Shadow, we were PELTED today. Did you see those weird brown clouds this morning around 7-7:30am? And the whole sky was just covered in 1 big blob of chemtrail "yuck".

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Ciao, Shadow

posted 03-28-2003 12:31 AM            

Well, PHXPilot, you possibly made a case for the chemtrails. If the a/c was in a lower altitude and the air temp was high enough, there would be NO contrail ... but a CHEMtrail would be easily observed, non?

I'm not trying to begin any argument here. I happened to find this site because these 'trails' are beginning to make me question the WHY's.

posted 03-28-2003 07:43 AM            

This is where it is good to take photos. Your description sure made it sound like KC-135 or AWACS trails.

Yesterday, there were a couple of commerical a/c tracking a bit different course and their contrails dissapated within minutes, like normal.

Airliners do not take the same route to their destination on every flight. That is why they contact clearance delivery before the flight to see how much of their orignal route they will fly, and how much has been changed. And contrails dissipating within minutes are, as you said, normal contrail behavior. But so are persistent, hour long contrails. But conditions needed to make those big, long lasting contrails are harder to achieve, hence the tendency for them to show up only once in a while.

Well, PHXPilot, you possibly made a case for the chemtrails. If the a/c was in a lower altitude and the air temp was high enough, there would be NO contrail ... but a CHEMtrail would be easily observed, non?

But they were wrong, the aircraft in the photo was not that low. It looked to be still fully in the altitude range normally suited for contrails. I have never seen an aircraft leave a persistant contrail at an altitude where there shouldnt be any at all. But keep in mind, as long as conditions are right, aircraft can create those contrails at ANY altitude.

not trying to begin any argument here. I happened to find this site because these 'trails' are beginning to make me question the WHY's.

...and I am here to give you answers to those WHY's.

posted 03-28-2003 08:13 AM            

I have not seen any answers to this question, but I don't read each and every post. If some trails last and some don't -- no matter WHAT you name them -- are they more toxic than others?

posted 03-28-2003 04:38 PM            

Replace "SKY SLOBS doing their dirty work" with "contrails", and you have it correct.

Im sorry if contrails spreading causes you to freak out. But thats how they work.

I have ZERO respect for chemtrail pilots and find any other kind of pilot suspect. Guilty till proven innocent. And that's that!!!

This is exactly why I hate this whole chemtrail 'theory'. This is what will eventually happen. A bunch of people thinking that pilots are poisoning them.

Im on the verge of starting a new website.
contrailcentral.com

posted 03-28-2003 04:42 PM            

I watch the psy-ops of all of the debunkers. PHXPilot and Pacer are the "cool and collected", knowledgable ones. Seeker and Fastwalker are the attack dogs. Same results. Not convincing anyone of their lies, and more and more people are noticing bizarre atmospheric behaviour.

PHX, just out of curiousity, what do you think of Bush, NWO, and Operation Paperclip and Operation Northwoods?. You might say this has nothing to do with chemtrails, but you have failed to show why the government and/or NATO and corporations WOULDN'T do such a thing.

Pods like Seeker, the old goat Billy Joe, Proud Veteran, and CaptWalker keep howling that the US is as pure as the wind blown snow, even in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary. Let us see how you think, or are you a chicken-shit as I suspect.

Make your contrailcentral website. We'll leave you alone, and you'll leave us alone.

posted 03-28-2003 04:50 PM            

And you guys couldnt tell a freaking A320 from your ass. But somehow you can still claim to know all about contrails and aviation operations. If you cant figure out what a KC-135 orbit looks like, then I dont understand how anyone can give you any creedance when you claim you know all about secret operations.

Knowledge of well-known facts = None
Knowledge of secret operations = ???Much???

posted 03-28-2003 04:54 PM            

Another thing you never get through your brain. IT DOESNT MATTER IF THEY WOULD OR WOULDNT! THE QUESTION IS: ARE CONTRAILS MADE OF CHEMICALS?????!!!!!

Since you dont have any evidence supporting the chem spraying theory, you must say "Why WOULDNT they?"

I could ask you the same thing. How do you know your keyboard isnt made out of poison? No evidence to support its made out of poison. Well I dont care. You tell me why the government WOULDNT make keyboards out of poison.

posted 03-28-2003 04:59 PM            

Explain this, Mr. Visual Expert, what was the possible source?

posted 03-28-2003 05:04 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by everetteyes:
Penis Pilot,
Next time your up flying around do us all a favor....CRASH AND BURN !

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Everett,
Naw. He might crash near our houses. With pudding heads like PHXPilot, I'm glad I take boats, trains, and cars.

posted 03-28-2003 05:07 PM            

They didnt intercept it because it was creating a contrail you retard. They intercepted it because it was obviously tracking through US airspace, and was not being controlled by ATC. You can not have an aircraft flying over the united states without ATC knowing what they hell it is or what it is planning to do. It wasnt talking to ATC so they sent jets to ID it. How did you even come up with the conclusion that they intercepted it because it was spraying chemicals??????