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CROSSFiRE
New Member
London, UK
1 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 08:54 AM
  
Hi Everyone...I need a place to start in this whole chemtrail discussion. So, my question is aimed at the people who belive such things exist and are a coverup/consiracy/secret project/etc. 1. Do you accept that a large commercial aircraft can and sometimes will make a 'trail' even if it is *not* dropping some sort of nasty chemical? 2. If the answer to 1. is YES, how do you determine if that particular trail is 'bad' or 'good'? Thanks for your replies. Ben
(by the way, I am a pilot) 
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-28-2003 09:39 AM
1. Yes.
2. By examination of two main factors: the atmospheric conditions at flight altitude and the type of aircraft (military vs non-military). Atmospheric soundings can give a picture of the conditions at various altitudes to determine whether the formation of persistent contrails is likely within limitations of the soundings. Using Flight Explorer, to determine flight altitude for specific jets at a specific time/location can give a picture of the expected ranges of persistence by recording observed contrail persistence within limitations imposed by the inavailability of military flight data, and variations due to jet engine types and temporal/spatial variations in the atmospheric conditions. Flight Explorer also will reveal the type of flight commerical/private, or military (generally via it's non-presence in the FE data stream). The combination of these factors, trails highly persistent beyond what would normally be expected from the current atmospheric conditions, persistence beyond similar known flights at similar altitudes and times, and high probability of a military jet may indicate the presence of Chemtrailing activity.You can read this for more information and specific examples...
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml
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Fibromaniq
Senior Member
Right behind you Red
41 posts, Feb 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 10:39 AM
Sure the regular flights leave trails. The tactics of the people behind this , the N.W.O, do it a lot, where they use 'typical' things to cover up their dastardly deeds.
Any little complication, confusion, is enough to turn off 99% of people, and the NWO counts on it, and thats why they can get away with it, by imitating regular contrails as they do chemtrails.
Look for planes that are not marked as normal commercial aircraft - or are they using them now too? The excellant people on this site have done a lot of work to tell the difference, but it is very detailed. Keep in mind two things - anyone on this site could be a NWO plant who is here to create confusion and deceptions; and "They create the problem, and then offer the solution" [like spraying us with chemicals and then offering us medical help in the form of pills - both of which use pertochemicals from crude oil]. Yes,this could simply be a way to sell more pills, but we need your help to figure it out. Why does the US Army have such huge contracts with the pharmaceutical industry? Why is the pharmaceutical industry such a large user of crude oil? Its a great day to start up the thinking machines eh? The USArmy has done testing of biological weapons in North America, mostly in Canada but Florida too. That was in the 1950's and 60's, some info was released last summer in Canada about it. So this kind of thing does happen, but the modern chemtrails is not just testing anymore. What they are up to is where we need your imagination buddy.
Ask why would they be doing it? What advantages to being able to control all the population? Why would they think they need to? My idea is that, with all the deception evident now, there is a larger plan afoot that has likely been in the works for many years - since the 1950s at least - that isn't for our benefit. It is for control, which is needed right now as we are ready to impeach Bush, but also for the larger plan of world domination that has been openly discussed by neo-conservatives headed up be Bush's team of Rumsfeld Powell Wolfowitz etc. , since the 1960s. I would love to supply more details...Read Educate Yourself website material maybe?
Whats your take on it?
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S.
499 posts, May 2001
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posted 04-03-2003 08:29 AM
I have not witnessed any normal COMMERCIAL plane leaving LASTING CONtrails. Only those planes in particular areas at particular time periods seem to leave lasting CHEMTRAILS. The arguments over humidity and temperature conditions are LUDICROUS as I've seen these planes TARGET specific areas and other planes flying in the same areas NOT leaving trails. Unless the planes are MODIFIED, I don't see the capacity to SPRAY in a normal commercial airliner. When you SEE a definite trail, it's only a limited distance in length. These don't continue for the whole flight of the plane.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-03-2003 10:38 AM
I have not witnessed any normal COMMERCIAL plane leaving LASTING CONtrails. 95% of all aircraft I see creating contrails that last the whole day are airliners. I doubt you could recognize an A330 if it bit you on the face. Im assuming you cant recognize the aircraft as a "jumbo jet", so you automatically assume it isnt an airliner. Only those planes in particular areas at particular time periods seem to leave lasting CHEMTRAILS. Gee, I wonder why? There was a higher humidity air mass over SW Phoenix today at noon, but that wouldnt be an explaination of why most aircraft in that airmass created contrails would it? Noooooo. The arguments over humidity and temperature conditions are LUDICROUS as I've seen these planes TARGET specific areas and other planes flying in the same areas NOT leaving trails.
What have I said time and time again? There are dozens of variables that need to be in place to create long lasting contrails. The main one is humidity, but if the other variables arent in place, contrails will not form. Look at this photo again. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/329340/L/ The military C-5 has at least one of the variables missing as you can see due to the lack of ANY contrail, while the A340 is creating temporary contrails. Its not just the environment, the aircraft variables play a big part as well.
Unless the planes are MODIFIED, I don't see the capacity to SPRAY in a normal commercial airliner. YAY! Your learning! Now you just need to learn that the amount of large military jets needed for the operation does not exist. When you SEE a definite trail, it's only a limited distance in length. These don't continue for the whole flight of the plane. Two types of contrails: Short, Long. DEPENDS ON THE CONDITIONS.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PHXPilot on 04-03-2003]
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-03-2003 04:33 PM
Hey P when you going to post some of the many pics you take? I'd like to check them out.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-03-2003 05:33 PM
Ive got about 40 of them on Airliners.netJust go to keyword: Michael Hawkins (keyword field Photographer) Those are the ones I have bothered to post for people who want to see them.
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Shadow
Senior Member
Orange County, CA, USA
39 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 04-03-2003 09:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by CROSSFiRE:
Hi Everyone...I need a place to start in this whole chemtrail discussion. So, my question is aimed at the people who belive such things exist and are a coverup/consiracy/secret project/etc. 1. Do you accept that a large commercial aircraft can and sometimes will make a 'trail' even if it is *not* dropping some sort of nasty chemical? 2. If the answer to 1. is YES, how do you determine if that particular trail is 'bad' or 'good'? Thanks for your replies. Ben
(by the way, I am a pilot)
Hi Ben.... What type of ATP rating(s) do you carry? 1. Yes, a/c do leave condensation trails at times, under certain conditions, but the trails do not linger for over 4 + hours as the questionable ones witnessed by many on this BB. 2. Not determined by myself whether trails are 'bad' or 'good', but they are not normal. They are not 'laid' normally, either. Most of the patterns are deliberate as you can readily see in the database of images. Made by 1 or 2 a/c extremely high in altitude. Most of your questions can be answered by your perusing other TOPICS and replies. Ciao, Shadow
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-03-2003 10:10 PM
...but the [normal] trails do not linger for over 4 + hours as the questionable ones witnessed by many on this BB.How do you figure that it is not normal for contrails to last over 4 hours? I have never seen any studys that say that. They are not 'laid' normally, either. Most of the patterns are deliberate as you can readily see in the database of images. Im sick of aviation ignorant people saying that completely routine aviation operations are "not normal". Heres a photo from this site that chemmies use as "evidence" of a spray operation.  Now look at this aeronautical chart section  Notice anything? THEY ARE THE SAME THING. The contrails you see in the photo were made by airliners that were traveling along high-altitude airways that all intersect at a common VOR station. Not evil. Normal. NORMAL BTW, same goes for this photo submitted by our dear 'Shadow'.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/1822-img.jpg
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PHXPilot on 04-03-2003]
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-03-2003 10:34 PM
Eh, anyway, the black lines in the chart are Victor airways, and the 'Aqua' lines are High altitude airways.
Just to clear that up.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by PHXPilot on 04-03-2003]
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NW41Heavy
Negro with an Attitude
Tallahassee, FL
88 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 04-03-2003 10:43 PM
hitech- I left a long lasting contrail today. So were a number of other aircraft in the area- spraying chemicals? definitely not!
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Fibromaniq
Senior Member
Right behind you Red
41 posts, Feb 2003
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posted 04-04-2003 11:01 PM
There certainly are normal contrails PHX.
It is this slight difference that lets them get away with it. Thats how they work. We can't really claim to know the exact contrails vs. chemtrails, apologies to the experts here.
It would be a mistake to assume that debunks everything, which is where the thrust of your engines seems to be hinting at. There is some idea that you should try to contribute a bit, especially with your credentials, to the exposing of chemtrail activity. [otherwise you could be a 'plant', or maybe even a debunker].
Crossfire - the military has traditionally done the biologicals at night, but the idea of UV barrier spray would obviously be daytime. Daytime might expediate a biological too, but not necessary to take the risk at all.
SARS would be a good starting point. That would have been a small, maybe drone, aircraft sent in from SE asia and letting its payload of engineered brucella base chromavirus go over remote China. They know the exact rates of infection and dispersion of the agents to expect.
But of we get caught up in what NOT a chemtrail, and there are lots which is how they get away with chemtrails in the daytime, we will miss the boast, as it were, the Arc.
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