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NW41Heavy
Negro with an Attitude
Tallahassee, FL
88 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 10:16 PM
  
Way to avoid the fact that you just got slammed, Trail Nix! 
So i saw several contrails overhead crisscrossing over town- many of them abrubtly stopping and starting. IT must me the government is trying to control the weather- hell we just had 2 weeks of low clouds and rain, it couldnt have been those crazy things called frontal wave systems!!!
Too bad if you look at a map of the routes, there are more than 5 airways that criss cross over us as well as the beginning of the La Grange arrival into ATL.
THINK PEOPLE!!! Do you realize how big the tanks would have to be on board aircraft like this to send out a decent spray over so many miles, not to mention figure out where it would land? Besides.. everyone on here seems to know exactly what the chemtrails are for, yet no one can agree on it- especially when cornered. 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 10:36 PM
Enter into "Problems with the Chemtrail theory": Problem #536: Tanks to store chemicals.Would any chemmies like to explain how, and where, these chemical tanks may be stored? Hmmmmmm? We have asked this many times. Do you have a satisfactory answer yet? I would like all of the believers on here to look at the contrails that you say are really chemicals. Do you have any clue of the amount of chemicals it would take to cross the sky as many times as you guys say is occuring? Example: a 747 dumping fuel. This activity drains the fuel supply very quickly. Not NEARLY enough to cross the sky several times. You would need a tank the size of the 747 to accomplish this. Yep, that big, huge, non-existant tank. Look, if an aircraft was dispersing CHEMICALS, this is exactly what it would look like:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/287389/L/ Will that last all day and grow? No. Because it is a liquid chemical that will atmoize quite quickly. Now, compare that to the big, fat, huge, billowy, persistant contrails that are so often mistaken as chemicals on this site.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/239080/L/ See the difference? One is CHEMICALS, one is ICE CRYSTALS. DIFFERENT.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PHXPilot on 04-02-2003]
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-02-2003 10:44 PM
For Gods sake, that is what this site is about! This is not a site about exaust pollution.actually PHX this site is about exhaust...a misconception of what aircraft exhaust looks like to an observer from the ground, what it does,
and how it acts in relation to the upper tropospheric environment.... chemtrails are contrails... contrails are NOx SOx soot and very tinsy weensy bits of metal...(from the combustion process) grids X's and so forth are the by product of many many planes, commercial, private, courier and military flying to and fro at all hours never stopping to the ground observer.... that's it ! 
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 10:49 PM
You forgot to mention the web spinning jet engines.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-02-2003 10:52 PM
shoot !
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 11:02 PM
actually PHX this site is about exhaust...a misconception of what aircraft exhaust looks like to an observer from the ground, what it does,
and how it acts in relation to the upper tropospheric environment....
I know that seeker. But the site was created in an effort to get people to acknowledge a government operation. Of course, it is an operation that does not, and COULD NOT exist. But thats what it was based on in the first place.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-02-2003 11:12 PM
phx you'll find after a few years of this and 3 or 4 dozen chemmies....that the miniscule micro explanations become quite circular...in my post I covered the "urban legend" completely...
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 11:16 PM
Could not? I think an operation could very well exist, my reasoning for that statement however resides with all the totally stupid non paying attention society like we have. I'm not just speaking of chemtrails here but you could use anything as an example like most kids knowing who the members of nsync are rather than knowing American history. Peopel are oblivious to their surroundings ever watch Jay Leno when they do the streetwalking and ask the public easy questions and these people haven't a clue. Two years ago there was a retiring air force general who made the statement of having military operations going on right over everyones noses and they don't even suspect a thing out of place. When I read it, the reference was vague it wasn't on a chemtrail site neither but thats what I thought about at the time. I can't remember his name but I think I read that story at
http://americanfreedomnews.com/
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 11:24 PM
Professor, im not denying that there are military operations going on. Im not even denying that there are conspiracies that are not being told to us. Im talking about chemtrails. Chemtrails do not exist. You seem to think that if I dont think chemtrails exist, I must think Bush is wonderful and that our government is 100% honest. Bull. I dont think chemtrails exist. Get it?If you think the government is bad, I dont see why you have to automatically believe in chemtrails. Government can be bad, and chemtrails can not exist. There.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 11:44 PM
You missed the point totally. there
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 11:48 PM
No I didnt.I say chemtrails dont exist. You say, its obvious that the government is hiding things from us. Im not denying that the government has secrets that we dont know about. Im denying chemtrails.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 11:50 PM
I'm saying that the government could hide a big program of just about any, why not chemtrails there laughing at all the idiots who think every trail they see are just contrails when maybe indeed it's a spray operation.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 11:55 PM
I'm saying that the government could hide a big program of just about any, why not chemtrails *scream* That is your reasoning for believing in chemtrails????!?!?! There are huge flaws in the theory, yet you still believe in it because "why not"??? (Using crazy analogy again) I am going to start believing that my refrigerator will kill me next tuesday, just because...why not? It could happen.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-02-2003 11:58 PM
maybe indeed it's a spray operation.Ok fine. On the outside, you could say "maybe". Maybe there is a spray op. Then we look in-depth, and we find big problems in the theory. This is reason to disregard the theory because it is obviously wrong. Once you do research, it is not feasible. Simple as that.
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Shadow
Senior Member
Orange County, CA, USA
39 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 04-03-2003 10:05 PM
04/03/03
Trails began in the afternoon. Patterns were tic-tac-toe type. Not as heavy as last Monday, but in same area - north of Orange County, CA.Ciao, Shadow
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-04-2003 12:02 AM
Your theories for why alot of these irradic trails is weak at best, the military already claims to be doing weather mod testing now how do you suppose they would do that? Obviously add or take away from their calculations on what it is there striving for, how would you add or subtract a substance in an atmosphere? duh jets.
And I suppose these weather modifying patents that exist under military contractors is a hoax as well right?
not likely.
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singer
New Member
Pagsoa Springs, CO
1 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-04-2003 03:02 AM
SW Colorado skies were blanked with "chem-trails" too numerous to count on Sunday, March 31 and Monday, April 1. Many local residents noticed the strange sky on both days. Ironically, within 24 hours, many, including my husband and myself, were experiencing headaches and flu like symptoms. In response to those offering their learned, scientific
"weather/water/temperature/wind" explanations, can you explain why these appear in such huge numbers, on random days (don't airlines have recurring schedules?), and why have they begun appearing over such huge areas in recent months/years? I don't recall seeing this phenomenon in the 60's, 70's, 80's and even early 90's. Why now? What has changed in the upper atmosphere to cause this to occur? Is there something different in the fuel of today's aircraft from those of days past? Or, if this is simply a natural occurance, why has nature chosen to behave differently only recently? Just wondering in Colorado.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-04-2003 10:03 AM
can you explain why these appear in such huge numbers, on random days Because not every day is suited for contrails! Some days, the atmosphere is pretty suited for creating contrails, while other days just arent. I guess you could call that "random". and why have they begun appearing over such huge areas in recent months/years? They have been appearing for many, many years. Look in some National Geographic mags from the 60s or 70s, and every once in a while you will see a bunch of persistant contrails. But not as often as today because of the sheer number of aircraft roaming the skys today as opposed to the 60s 70s or 80s. I don't recall seeing this phenomenon in the 60's, 70's, 80's and even early 90's. It is quite possible that the newer Turbofan engines are more prone to creating contrails than the older engines that were used on jets in the 50s,60s,70. NASA did a test, where they had a brand new A340 fly in formation with an old 707, and, behold, only the A340 created contrails. 707 created none. This gives the impression that engines play a huge part in contrail formation. So, the more new engines we get in the skies, we may get more contrails on days we wouldnt expect it in the past.
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