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Topic: READ AND WEEP THIS BALONEY! | Topic page views:
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 04-22-2003 09:54 PM
Pacer, You must have access to postings before they appear or you would not have known what I said. Thanks for tipping us off. 
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA 456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 04-22-2003 09:59 PM
Jeanie...we don't have a "chemtrail route".This is how it works. Either TACC (Tanker Airlift Control Center) or JOSAC (Joint Operational Support Airlift Center) sends us missions based on the number of "open lines" we have. We have a computer system called JALIS (Joint Air Logistics Information System) where we exchange information between JOSAC and our unit. A month out, we go into JALIS and "open lines". This means we tell JOSAC how many jets we're willing to let them use each day of that month. Normally, a small unit like ours only opens one or two lines a day. JOSAC receives airlift requests from across the DoD (Dept. of Defense). They rank order these requests based on two factors: Priority and Rank. If two privates in the Army have a high priority mission to get somewhere, it actually trumps a high-ranking general or admiral. Anyways...anyone can request an airlift if it is for official travel. For example, if you were a Staff Sergeant, and had a conference to attend somewhere, you could put in an airlift request and have a JOSAC mission pick you up. Now, since a Staff Sergeant is fairly low on the totem pole, you may or may not be picked up. If JOSAC runs out of available airplanes for that day, then they will "regret" you, that is, deny you airlift. Since we don't get many high-priority missions in, most missions are prioritized as "routine", which means that passenger rank is now the factor used to determine who gets supported and who doesn't. So it goes to reason that we do carry a lot of General Officers and Admirals. But we often do carry a lot of "regular guys" too. So, using my flight tomorrow as an example, JOSAC got a request from two seperate groups. One group wants to fly from Ft. Knox to Wilmington NC. Another group wants to return home from Andrews to Barksdale. Their requested times line up, and JOSAC pairs the two "lifts" on one mission. Now they have to find a jet. So they search, and their scheduling computer tells them the jet from Maxwell would be the best fit. So then they "write" the mission. They put it in official format, have it reviewed for things like operational factors (is the runway long enough? can the mission be accomplished within the maximum crew duty period? etc). Then the message is released via JALIS, where the unit scheduler here at Maxwell can view it and then schedule a crew against it. So the schedule informs me that I'm flying that mission, and I go into crew rest (have to have 12 hours of pre-mission crew rest). Before I do that, though, I choose the actual routing myself. JOSAC dictates WHERE I go, but as the Aircraft Commander, I dictate HOW to get there. I choose the cruise altitude based on how high I want to go, and take into consideration how long or short the flight is. And I pick routing that's generally the most direct, if possible. I write all this down on a flight plan. The next morning, I show up at the established show time (2 hours prior to takeoff), and I give the flight plan to the base operations staff and they enter the routing and altitudes into the FAA's computer. So that's how it works, Jeanie. No chemtrail runs. Nothing like that. JOSAC picks our destinations, we pick how to get there. JOSAC doesn't care what route we take or how high we fly, so long as we deliver General Poopypants to his destination on time. 
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA 456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 04-22-2003 10:04 PM
Nope...just a Gateway computer here with Earthlink dial-up. I came across your posting, and responded to it. When it refreshed, your posting had changed. Don't know if you edited it or what, but that's what I saw. You know good and well that you posted something then changed it...don't know how long it was hanging there in space, but you can quit your cloak-n-dagger nonsense.By the way, just to let everyone else know the context of that post...Jeanie had originally posted "Air Farce". And I still have a cool job.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PacerLJ35 on 04-22-2003] 
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NW41Heavy
Negro with an Attitude

Tallahassee, FL 88 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 04-22-2003 10:23 PM
Must have been a Herk I was hearing the other day- I was in a Seminole down at 8000-9000 for most of the day criss crossing Georgia. I talk with you guys at Maxwell occasionally in regards to my AFROTC students...quite envious of them....defintiely wish I was on my way to flying with the "Air Farce." Do you ever flying into TLH? We get alot of the T-1's, T-37's, and T-38's from CB, as well as navy trainers and the occassional G-V or 757 air force bird doing touch and goes. ------------------ Dude, that guy has a black belt in redneck! 
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HatchetML
Trolling for Trolls

NW Florida 174 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-23-2003 06:12 AM
You know, after all the BS, and after 4-5 pilots try and change a few ppls minds, you would think they get the point but obviously not.I have a sincere suggestion for these pilots and their free time! Why dont you devote all this energy and time you spend here to world peace,go help out at a ymca,clean your yard,help needy children,etc etc etc Obvioulsy you guys are not getting thru to anyone, and have turned a discussion into a competition for reasons yet unexplained, but the point is,if its your so called duty to debunk a urban legend then your wasting your time and i cant see how you justify "helping" on this board but yet theres alot more important things in life you could be doing to help fellow man out! But thats right a few cocky arrogant pilots wanna argue with a bunch of peeps on a board over the sky! It doesnt add up no matter how you look at it, either its a front or you pilots are the bane of pilots cause you certainly dont carry yourself in this so called 4 years of college 250 hour flying doods you claim to be! My respect for pilots has dropped after seeing the level you have to stoop to- to entertain themselves! 
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NW41Heavy
Negro with an Attitude

Tallahassee, FL 88 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 04-23-2003 06:49 AM
"this so called 4 years of college 250 hour flying doods" That's Mr. 4 years of college 1450 hour flying dood to you.
------------------ Dude, that guy has a black belt in redneck!
[Edited 1 times, lastly by NW41Heavy on 04-23-2003] 
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halva
Senior Member
Greece 382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-23-2003 09:51 AM
PHX Pilot wrote:"If I were you, I would be doing nothing but trying to prove chemtrails. If you successfully prove that the white lines you see above you are chemicals, and not ice crystals, then you will have mowed down every opponent that dares to oppose you. You will be able to pass laws much easier, get the word out quicker, and be accepted more readily by others if you have undeniable proof that what you see is chemicals. But, instead, all you do is rant at me." PHX you don't know what I do besides "rant at you". One of the things I do is collaborate with a person you wanted to see on a video but not talk to on this forum, because he has scientific qualifications. 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-23-2003 04:19 PM
I said I would talk to him!!So where is he? 
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halva
Senior Member
Greece 382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-23-2003 11:40 PM
Well, I can ask him if he wants to debate here. Of course he is used to Greek television where, on subjects like this anyway, people don't talk back, so I don't know how motivated he will be to participate.When I raised the matter before I merely asked whether you wanted me to TRY to bring him to this forum, and your reaction was persistently negative until finally you changed your mind. 
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halva
Senior Member
Greece 382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-23-2003 11:43 PM
P.S. You've told me what you'd do if you were me. If you were him, would you come here?
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA 456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 04-24-2003 08:16 PM
NW...I personally have never flown into TLH, but I do remember seeing one of our jets scheduled into there a while back. Is there an Army/Air National Guard unit there? Often when we fly into smaller civilian airfields, it's usually to fly some Guard/Reserve folks somewhere. Could have been a Herk you heard...but then again, Robins AFB is a C-5/C-130 depot maintenance facility. I guess you teach IFT students. I used to know the guy who worked in the IFT office a few years back...it's just a couple of Lt's working in a small room in the back of the ROTC HQ building. I had to do IFT here, despite the fact I had a commercial helicopter license at the time...but I didn't mind the free SEL rating either. As far as Florida and Georgia fields, we hit VPS, NPA, PNS, TPA, MCF, HST, MIA, HRT, JAX, SAV, WRB, MGE, ATL, FTY, PDK, ABY, and LSF fairly regularly. I've been to ATL about 4-5 times...that's a busy airport. At least it's fairly compact, not like DFW or DEN, which are taxiing nightmares. I don't know how old you are, but the C-130 reserve unit here at Maxwell (908th Airlift Wing) hires a couple people to send to OTS and UPT each year. Just had a friend of mine get picked up...he was a CFI with about 1,500 hours or so. Just after he got picked up by the 908th, ASA hired him. He's still going to keep the UPT slot. Some of his other friends were telling him to drop the Air Force slot and focus on flying for ASA...but you can't beat being able to fly a 150,000 lb turboprop in formation, low-level, doing airdrops on weekends. 
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA 456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 04-24-2003 08:22 PM
Oh, I'm the 4-yr college grad, 1,300 hour dood with a Commercial pilot's license to fly multi-engine and single-engine airplanes, helicopters as well as instrument ratings for both airplanes and helicopters. And tack on the Learjet type rating as well. Experience in Bell 205/206 (UH-1H/UH-1V/TH-67A) helicopters, and T-37/T-1/C-21 airplanes, along with a few civilian Cessna and Piper light aircraft.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-24-2003 08:27 PM
If you were him, would you come here?You mean, would I come here to debate the existance of chemtrails? Since I do that anyway, I would if I was him. 
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halva
Senior Member
Greece 382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-24-2003 11:09 PM
Well, the people who are coming into the debate in the real-world environment where we are here are starting from the assumption that what they see with their eyes exists. The priority seems to be to get through to a sufficient number of ordinary citizens, which may help then to break down the resistances of the organized ecological movement, who are the only people saying that chemtrails is "conspiracy theory".As I said, I will bring up the matter of posting here when I next see the person concerned. 
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 04-25-2003 07:32 PM
Pacer; ah, thanks for the trouble you went to for a lengthly explaination. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm***Course it had nothing at all to do with my comment. Thanks for trying, I think.********Don't think I'm at all confused about this, I'm fully aware of what has transpired here. End of matter...
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Jeanie on 04-25-2003] 
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