posted 04-14-2003 11:47 AM            

A large trail at the top with two small jets flying close toe ach other below - with small trails that are gone immediately.

Now the jet that was flying up with the most angle suddenly gets the giant "contrail" effect:

The other jet flys off without getting the giant contrail effect. Both these jets were very close together:

The jet that had the sudden contrail growth spurt continues on:

I know debunkers, that one jet just hit a different patch of air that the other jet just missed. And that giant contrail they were under was in a third patch of air or something. And yes there are always dozens of jets flying over stacked right on top of each other here all the time, I just don't see them because of conditions etc. It is jsut normal to see dozens of jets make clouds overhead REALLY!

posted 04-14-2003 01:33 PM            

Did it ever occur to you that these aircraft may be at different altitudes?

posted 04-14-2003 06:11 PM            

This is probably the most important thing you said in determining whether this is normal or not.

What this indicates is that on days that are not very good for creating contrails at all, you just arent seeing the aircraft, due to the lack of giant white fingers pointing at them. The only day you notice the entire amount of aircraft is "spray days", or days where most aircraft are in conditions good for trails.

posted 04-14-2003 07:26 PM            

Its not like there are only 20 planes that fly near your house per day. There are possibly a hundred or more that cross in the visible sky over the course of 24 hours.

posted 04-15-2003 04:34 AM            

Now as i said above i observe and do alot of it as im outside all day if its not raining.
The plane Sat and seeing and hearing [was low enough to make out no colors or markings and could hear the plane in front of the sound which seemd to be just a split second behind the plane]Watching this plane come this low emmiting a trail then ascend alt once east of my position to the horizon was interesting cause there was another plane way way up high.[could just barely makeout the outline of the plane in front of a disappearing trail behind it] Now i unload the truck and go inside and come right back out time about 10:30am cst and outa the ESE come a plane way up high with a dissappearing trail and the another which looks to be following the considerably lower with a trail that doesnt dissappear as it goes continues on in a wnw position. Now im not saying this is anything certainlly wish i had a dig cam so i could show you exacltly what i saw but hey i said im not gonna enter the argument but observe and comment and this is my first, the planes continued this type of flight together up till noon everytime youd see a plane one would be up high with little or no trail and one lower with a trail that was persistant from horizon to horizon[ now is that saying on this hot day of sat that the hot air was way up high and the cold air was lower???] cmon that just doesnt fit!

Not taking any sides but i must say that what ive seen over the last 5 years is defintly different then what i seen the 25 years before that lving above a major AFB either our atmoshpere is changing drastically or something is up!

posted 04-15-2003 04:46 PM            

What did I spin? And what do you want proof of?

posted 04-17-2003 03:44 PM            

The atmosphere is not uniform. You dont seem to understand this no matter how many times you hear it. Just because one aircraft is creating a persistant contrail, doesnt mean they all should, and one aircraft making short lived contrails doesnt mean they all should. If an aircraft was creating short contrails, then suddenly starts creating persistant contrails, then somthing in the atmosphere or aircraft changed that put all the needed variables in place.

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Since your the expert here PHX please spare us your backwards ass talk and just give us a link to a scientific essay,study,lecture to your comment about persistant and evaporating trails! Thats not outside your payscale...whoops did i say that..expertise is it?

Wouldnt you think that would go along way to proving your as intelligent as you make out to be????

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There are not this many flights over Auburn unless it is a chem day.
This is probably the most important thing you said in determining whether this is normal or not.

What this indicates is that on days that are not very good for creating contrails at all, you just arent seeing the aircraft, due to the lack of giant white fingers pointing at them. The only day you notice the entire amount of aircraft is "spray days", or days where most aircraft are in conditions good for trails.

The amount of aircraft you see on "spray days" is the same amount that exist on non "spray days". You just dont notice them due to the lack of indicators.

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Spare us your asstalk and provide your proof a link would be more helpful then your supposed knowledge!
How can you demand proof of a conspiracy and then not provide the links to back your side of this argument????

posted 04-17-2003 03:50 PM            

Do you not believe this, HatchetML?

posted 04-17-2003 04:13 PM            

I dont think the disscussion was about what hatchet believed! But if you want my answer to your 3 word question id be happy to give it!

posted 04-17-2003 06:59 PM            

your one sensitive dude !

go see the doctor right away !!!!

posted 04-17-2003 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by halva:
Kocky I am beginning to have breathing problems, so what would you say I think about you and PHX Pilot?

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Please, call me Feelin.

I'd say if you don't feel well, go to the doctor.

Look, I am not saying that there is 100% no chance that chemtrail are for real. I do contend that there is nearly no evidence to support the idea.

F.K.

posted 04-17-2003 08:35 PM            

Then everyone go take all the photos off this site showing airliners spraying "chemtrails".

So, when I see the American Airlines flight that hits Phoenix VOR at 7:30 every morning, and sometimes leaves contrails exactly like you guys say are chemtrails, then he is really leaving normals contrails? I thought contrails dissipated after a few seconds. The truth is that both military and civil aircraft can be seen making the exact same type of contrails. Big, fluffy, billowy, persistant contrails that will cause a white out under the right conditions.