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NW41Heavy
Negro with an Attitude
Tallahassee, FL
88 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 04:19 PM
  
Beautiful photos over Alaska on the NOPAC tracks.. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/301950/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/287638/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/289105/L/
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Dude, that guy has a black belt in redneck!
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 04:26 PM
You know whats neat NWA, is how 744s #1 and #4 engine contrails always twist and wrap around the #3 and #2 contrails due to the wake vortexes. The A340 does not do this.Must be somthing with the distance from the engine to the wingtip, or the angle of the engine. Anyway, neat 
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 04-14-2003 04:30 PM
Cool! the third picture looks like it has some virga falling? why so dark?
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NW41Heavy
Negro with an Attitude
Tallahassee, FL
88 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 04:35 PM
That's a shadow on the haze layer down below it. ------------------
Dude, that guy has a black belt in redneck!
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 04-14-2003 04:43 PM
The infamous dark shadow?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 04:55 PM
I still think this is my all-time favorite contrail photo.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/296148/L/ You can see that the wake vortexes keep the contrail within persistant limits while the rest of the contrail died off. Very cool. 
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NW41Heavy
Negro with an Attitude
Tallahassee, FL
88 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 05:08 PM
lol.. not sure about infamous.. but it's a shadow, nonetheless. What do you mean by infamous dark shadow? ------------------
Dude, that guy has a black belt in redneck!
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 04-14-2003 05:27 PM
Nice one PHXPilot! I had to add that one to my collection.Only the dark shadow knows Heavy  My own observation ~ quote:
I have witnessed a low white trail with a gap in it, with a dark shadow band just above this trail, and another band just below it. Both shadow bands ran parallel to the white trail, BUT both bands continued on through the gap. The position of the sun at the time could not have caused these "shadows".
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000266.html Interesting are Deborah's observations ~ quote:
This "shadow" [pictured above] is EXACTLY what I observed on Saturday, April 1, 2000 from Cambridge, MA, IN ADVANCE OF an aircraft that was spewing trails into a sky already clogged to the limit with them.
This "shadow" extended from the nose of the aircraft all the way down to earth as far as I could tell, and maintained its rigid shape and position IN DIRECT ALIGNMENT with the trajectory of the aircraft as if it were AN EXTENSION OF THE AIRCRAFT ITSELF. Even the color is the same - a bluish-grey - very distinctive - I will never forget it. ***** was with me and also saw it. I posted this observation at Clifford's later that day but the post is now gone. I did print that post and will try to dig it out of my references.
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everetteyes
SARS4UPILOT
Everett WA
126 posts, May 2002
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posted 04-14-2003 05:31 PM
NW41HEAVY,Why do you continue to use the term redneck?Can you use a term that does not have a negative racial Tone?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 05:34 PM
Maybe you should write a letter to Jeff Foxworthy. His entire stand up comedy routine is about "rednecks". I bet its ripping our fragile social structure to shreds.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 05:38 PM
About the "dark extention in front of the aircraft"Look at this photo (we've got photos for everything dont we. )
: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/337710/L Now, you can see that this shadow was projected VERY far ahead of the actual aircraft. If the shadow was projected onto a thin cloud layer, as you can see sometimes, and the observer was in the correct spot, the contrail shadow can seem to be projected out directly in front of the aircraft.
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everetteyes
SARS4UPILOT
Everett WA
126 posts, May 2002
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posted 04-14-2003 05:39 PM
Who else thinks that chemtrail central is the right place for racist remaks?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 05:41 PM
Oh yeah, numerous people calling me a Nazi when I first got here was completely fine though
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 04-14-2003 05:42 PM
Fair enough PHXPilot, but what about my observation? Any explanation?
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everetteyes
SARS4UPILOT
Everett WA
126 posts, May 2002
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posted 04-14-2003 05:45 PM
I do remember saying I hope your plane crashes,thats still true.Just the fact that you would come back after writing that post were you told us all how you would be leaving,shows what a liar you are
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 04-14-2003 05:46 PM
More on the two dark bands witnessed 10-06-00 quote:
It appeared that these dark bands dissipated in about twenty minutes, but 1/2 hr. later I took a picture of the sunset and although I couldn't see this with my naked eye, it showed up in photo: a low-hanging (lower than any cloud or trail seen ever) black cloud that hovered over this sleepy city for most of the night. It was so windless that this chemcocktail seemed to hardly move at all. Just hang over the city and ever so slowly nudge N/E.
http://terkelowna.tripod.com/chemtrails/id131.html
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 05:47 PM
Honestly, Im having quite the time trying to visualize what you are trying to explain there. What you are saying is that you saw a contrail, then one shadow on "top" of the contrail, and one "below". Right? Where was the sun during this episode?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 05:49 PM
Do you have any photos of what you saw?
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everetteyes
SARS4UPILOT
Everett WA
126 posts, May 2002
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posted 04-14-2003 05:49 PM
AM I the only white man here who cares that NW41HEAVY pokes fun at whites in everyone of his posts?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 05:50 PM
So, redneck means white now?If it does, as a white man, Im not offended by it.
*BTW, NWA is white.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 04-14-2003 05:50 PM
The white trail was running West to East, and was near time for the sun to be West, close to setting. What I find oddest is the dark trails continued on over the gap in the white trail. How can a gap have a shadow? er shadows?
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 04-14-2003 05:55 PM
I have a photo of the ON/OFF white trail, but unfortunately the two dark shadow bands had dissipated by the time I took the picture.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 05:57 PM
OK, see, what you saw could only occur if:1. Trail ran east-west
2. Sun close to setting or rising So, quite an easy explaination now. As you can see in the photo I showed earlier (the one with the shadow on the ground), the shadow can be projected miles in front of or behind the part of the contrail that actually created the shadow. What you saw ( a shadow over the gap in the contrail), was the shadow from the section of contrail far in front of the gap. Since the sun was setting in the west, it caused the contrail to create a shadow that ended up far to the east of straight down. So, the gap in the shadow would have been seen far to the east where you could see no gap in the contrail. The shadow you saw was not created by the portion of contrail sitting near it. Does that makes sense?
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 04-14-2003 05:59 PM
Yes, but why two bands, one below and one above?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 06:02 PM
Im in the process of making a litle diagram, so hold on a bit.
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