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Poco Loco
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posted 06-11-2003 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poco Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Specimens have been sent to Eric Simpson, MD, Dermatologist and Brent Burton,MD, Medical Toxicologist, both at the Oregon Health & Science University at Portland. Reach Dr. Burton at (503) 527-.

Other specimens are at the Tucson, Arizona Police Forensic Crime Lab in Tucson. Contact Vicky Bode at (520) Ext. 1424.

SORRY.....see contact corrections below.

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posted 06-11-2003 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds good Poco...let us know if you hear anything back!

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posted 06-12-2003 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Appretiate you providing phone numbers Poco Loco. I'm going to give these two a call tomorrow to see when/if analysis will be forthcoming Maybe if others call as well, it will speed things along? worth a try!

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posted 06-13-2003 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Poco Loco -- I called one of the numbers you provided (Arizona Police Forensic Crime Lab 520-791-5029 ext. 1424) and a recording said "You have reached the Hayden Udal (sp?) Water Treatment Plant automated phone system, please dial your party's extension now" so I dialed 1424 and another recording said "ext. 1424 is not defined".

Did you give out the wrong number accidently, and if so, what is the correct number so that I may contact.

Thanks

In regards to the second number you provided (Dr. Burton 503-527-3582) a recording said "We're sorry, the number you have reached is not in service, Please check the number and dial again".

Poco, what is the correct number for Dr. Burton? I am most anxious to talk with him.

Thanks again.

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Poco Loco
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posted 06-13-2003 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poco Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Entirely my fault! What a serious mistake on my part.

Dr. Burtons correct number is: (503) 827-3582

Vicky Bode: (520) 791-4499, Ext 1424.

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mark sky
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1089 posts, Jun 2001

posted 06-13-2003 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
slow news daze JR ~ this ones for "you"

but this one is not for you

hard headed orb that rules the night
watch as colors leave our sky
300X magnify
go home jay, go home and get some much needed sleep
these fibers you laugh about
these people you smeer and jeer at
they are not going away
go home jay and get a grip on reality
we know kerosine when we smell it boy
and we know a rat when it stinks
we been over all this rant before
we know you and you know us

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mark sky
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posted 06-13-2003 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you don't have to trust Jay Reynoilds
nor do you have to trust Poco Loco
you might take a stab at trusting MR/MS Instinct
oh what a thought~~~
burn me at the stake
QuiCk

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Lulu
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posted 06-14-2003 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey thanks for the right numbers Poco I will call them on Monday.

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Poco Loco
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posted 06-14-2003 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poco Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Other medical community contacts:

John E. Gambee, MD (Allergist)
(541) 686-2536
Eugene, Oregon
(Has several patients with CT complaints.)

Joseph T. Morgan, MD (Allergist)
(541) 269-0333
Coos Bay, Oregon
(This is a very busy office. He is one of the best in the State. Has several patients with CT complaints. Has done needle biopsies of papules on the scalp of patients who apparently are presenting with an immune response to "fibrils" on the scalp.)

Edgar Maeyens, MD (Dermatologist)
(541) 267-7543)
Coos Bay, Oregon
(Has viewed "fibrils" microscopically. This fine Physician has shown a keen interest in our concern.)

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Poco Loco
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posted 06-15-2003 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poco Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's another member of the medical community willing to discuss chemtrails:

Charlotte Higgins-Lee, PhD
(541) 683-7853
Eugene, Oregon

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posted 06-16-2003 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have left a message on Dr. Burton's answering machine to call me. I hope he does.

I also sent an email to Vicky Bode, forwarding one of Larry Meyer's emails to her. Vicky Bode works for Tucson PD Forensic Crime Lab.

This is the email I sent : (no pun intended with saying ongoing Fibrils thread I swear )

>>Hello Vicky,

My name is Terry Reed, and I am wondering if you have had a chance to analyze the specimens (fibrils) Larry Meyers sent to you? This analysis will be added to an ongoing Fibrils thread, where I help Administrate. Many people are eager to know these results.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001776.html

Please let me know at your convenience.<<


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posted 06-16-2003 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I just spoke with Dr. Burton's secretary, and the conversation wasn't that encouraging Larry. She said everything sent to the office goes through her, and she has not heard of you or know of the specimens you sent in. She mentioned there are several Dr. Burton's in the area. She also said that she would speak to Dr. Burton this afternoon and call me back. There is a small possibility that Dr. Burton never mentioned these specimens to her, that they "got by her".

Will let y'all know the follow-up conversation.

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posted 06-16-2003 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Follow-up conversation ~

I just spoke again with Dr. Burton's secretary (Molly: ph.# 503-827-3582) and not only does she say that Dr. Burton hasn't been working for the Oregon Health and Science University for 7 years, but rather has his own private practive now, but also that Dr. Burton has never heard of Larry Meyer, and has not received the specimen supposedly sent to him (sent on by Dr. Simpson), which leads me to the following two conclusions:

1) The specimen material that was supposedly sent on to Dr. Burton from Dr. Simpson was, in fact, not sent on at all, or

2) The specimen material was sent to ANOTHER Dr. Burton.

Larry?

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Poco Loco
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posted 06-17-2003 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poco Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Terry: My guess is that Dr. Simpson dropped the ball. You will remember that he "couldn't see the fibrils at 100x" and had a I'm not sure I want to hear your story look on his face. So....presenting the specimens to a University with a medical referral (400 mile round trip for me) was a waste of time. They have physical specimens and a floppy with microphotographs that I'd be willing to bet nobody has taken the time to review. Your call to Dr. Simpson just might get his attention.

Hope you have better luck with Vicky Bode.

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posted 06-17-2003 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is Dr. Simpson's phone number, Larry?

Thanks.

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posted 06-17-2003 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Larry, I just received a reply email from Vicky Bode. This is what she had to say :

quote:
We are returning the fibers to Mr. Meyers. I did not give my permission to have my name and agency used on a website nor did I want to have people from all over contact me. We are a busy crime laboratory and our current caseload does not give us any time to analyze non-criminal cases.

Larry, before I contact anyone else, including Edgar Maeyens, please confirm with these people (above) that:

1) It is OK for others to contact them, and

2) It is OK to post their particulars, including phone numbers, here.

Thank you.

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Poco Loco
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posted 06-17-2003 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poco Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NO I DON'T THINK SO. These are PUBLIC agencys that were properly contacted by a professional and failed to respond!

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Poco Loco
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posted 06-17-2003 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poco Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lulu: Lets let my private physician contact Dr. Simpson beforehand.

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Poco Loco
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posted 06-22-2003 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poco Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Follow-up is on a slowboat from China. Expect to have information to share later in the week.

Meanwhile, is this thread dead? Have any of you thought of rebutting the idea that the names and contact information for employees of a public protection and service agency should be secret? I'm sure they "don't wish to be contacted by people from all over", as Ms. Bode responds. Yes, I'm certain they are a very busy lab however a few months seem sufficient for a simple analysis by a "fiber expert" with a computerized database. Regarding the Non-criminal classification, another State Crime Lab was provided with four criminal complaints (uninformed consent) but still couldn't be bothered. Meanwhile let's all watch the buildings and bridges but whatever you do, don't look up! Have we done such a poor job of providing provocative evidence that we are to be ignored everywhere? Guess all that time TOCarm spent contacting appropriate agencies didn't trickle down.

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posted 06-23-2003 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This from MJ, who has now been granted access to this main forum...his observation of the static electricy quality is one that I have also noticed...from tiny barbed fibers...collected 2 years ago...and still sitting in a plastic container in my cupboard...clinging to the underside of the lid...

"Hi kids -

Newbie here, just caught the 'fiber' thread from a link from another site.

Been having a little browse around, but have to get to bed here.

Just thought I might throw you a bit of information regarding the fibers,
that you don't seem to have mentioned - the fact that they move. There are
several different types of movement that I personally have seen, I have read
about others, but will only vouch for my own knowledge.

There are whitish/clear fibers that will move with a wavy motion, similar to
what you might expect to see in seaweed. If there are several of these on a
hair (human, head or arm hair, that is) they can cause the entire hair to move,
in a way similar to what you see in static electricity - the catch is, they
KEEP moving even when enclosed in plastic bags or glass vials- very weird.

Other fibers will have a nodule in the middle of the fiber, and it will seem
to act as a hinge, with the fiber bending in the middle at this juncture.

There are also either fibers or particles that are encased in the fibers that
will 'jump', either towards or away from something. For myself, the most
noticible has been the 'jumps' away from tweezers, exacto knives, and suchlike,
and towards paper or cloth products, or living tissues.

As I said, I gotta get to bed, but I'd be more than happy to continue the
discussion, at least in telling you what I know of these strange things.

Also - - if anyone is going to jump on my case, (saying I'm imagining this,
ect) let me state *before* you get started, that if you have any doubts, I can
mail you samples of this, and if you want to try to get to the bottom of it,
you'll have a lot of people glad that you did!!

Take care

MJ"

From mark sky ~
"Poco Loco, who resides just up the coast from me, mentioned the last time that we talked, that he had found a fiber under black light that responded just as yours does~it appeared to try to "bite" his fingertip wqhen he brought it near.It was highly attracted to his skin, but it "wore itself out" after repeated "playing with it" and became inert.
people say you should be wearing gloves when playing or collecting these unknown melting fibers, are you being careful? I wonder if it matters as the fibers seem to be all around my house..."

and my reply ~

"I would never let the melting fibers touch my skin, don't use gloves but am careful. The barbed dust I handle without gloves and is everywhere in my home, and when one of my son's friends was over, his sweatshirt, to which his mom did not use fabric softner, was covered in this barbed dust by the time he left. I got several pieces for my collection. He said he doesn't see dust like that at his house. Where does this dust end up?,,, in the lungs no less. Haven't been able to wear out a piece yet. The last piece, which was the longest,did not want to go into the container as it was clinging to my finger with great force."
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000023.html

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Poco Loco
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posted 06-24-2003 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poco Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MJ: Great to read your input. Anxious to hear more from you. Would you let us know your general location? I'm on the Central Oregon Coast but have collected similar specimens over a five state area.

Do you find this "stuff" in your hair? In/on your eyes?

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posted 06-27-2003 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bumped for the boys in England.

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Poco Loco
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posted 06-30-2003 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poco Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope the poor response Lulu received has not kept others from contacting the agencies/medical professionals mentioned here. These are professionals in fields related to this issue and if properly approached should have no problem with the contact. Dr Gambee has specific hours set aside at least three times a week for public contact. He's considered a top area allergist and is aware of what's going on above him. Call him! Lets let these people know we are concerned and want some professional opinions. We're not going to stop the CT activities but it would be nice to know what materials are involved, how pathogenic they are, and what we can do to deal with symptoms.

In my opinion there is absolutely no excuse for the pissy/phony (We're too busy) response from the Tucson PD Lab. I'm curious to know the opinion of others on this. What was asked of them is not in the realm of "rocket science". If they are doing their job and are a "very busy lab", they are finding these materials at crime scenes and certainly know exactly what they are.

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posted 07-09-2003 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poco Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lulu and others: Is this the end of interest in this thread? Have none of you but Terry taken the time to help apply pressure for answers? I've determined that Dr. Simpson did not foreword specimens to Dr. Burton. It was he, Simpson, who "couldn't see the fibrils at 100x", the same material you have viwed on this thread photographed at 60x. Dr. Burtons receptionist Molly, a very pleasant/professional lady has asked that microphotographs be sent for Dr. Burtons review. I'll keep you informed.

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posted 07-09-2003 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's encouraging Larry. Molly did seem rather nice when I talked with her and I'm glad the specimen is being looked at finally. Yes do keep us posted!

Edited to add PS if in doubt of the interest in this thread check your PM poco ... and you'll know why this was bumped for the boys in England...

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