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julianpenrod
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82 posts, Mar 2002

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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net

May 26, 2003


To all:
There can be many levels to an issue, and, unless you look at all of them, you cannot necessarily be said to understand the matter completely.
To begin, I affirm that it is with some reluctance that I place this item in this forum on the Chemtrail Central site. The indicated delimiting of material has been eminently questionable, from the start. To be sure, the issue of evident debunker sabotage in the forums is without question. Simply breaking the train of discussion with insults; non sequitors; deliberate derailings of topics; or, simply, intrusions, such as gratuitous declarations of disbelief, on the part of the debunkers, is an apparently oft-employed method to facilitate the obfuscation of the truth. A thread I had started, which involved the important topic of compiling arc measurements of contrails, to indicate their temporal length through a still photograph, rather than a movie, so that the relative non-existence of longer lived contrails could be established, was also, effectively, targeted for sabotage. It was made so much the target of vituperative and, frankly, deceitful commentary by the debunker with the i.d. PacerLJ35, and rejoinders on my part, demonstrating their lack of trustworthiness, that the moderator with the i.d. Lulu, apparently cooperating in the move to hide the truth, used the back and forth posts as an “excuse” to remove the item from the more heavily trafficked Main Forum, and, literally, bury it where, the debunkers seemed to hope, few would ever see it! There seems no limit to the debunkers’ guile, and their apparent attempt at interfering with legitimate discussion on the forums does seem part of their plan to prevent finding the truth!
The way in which their effective banning from the Main Forum was gone about, however, seems ill-considered, and possibly harmful.
Among other things is the fact that, in glowing red letters, it is described as being only for “activists”. Unfortunately, the term “activist” can be interpreted many ways. Indeed, in their own way, the debunkers can be termed “activists”. More, however, there can be unsavory depictions of the activities of some “activists”, and that can lead those averse to such leanings to avoid being lumped with them. Too, there may be those new to the subject, who may, still, have something important to say, yet will, also, be dissuaded, by the prospect of being classified as an “activist”, when they have no such intentions!
There is little reason to doubt that this was a debunker inspired move, as well, with the evident intent of ruining the reputation - and, despite what the debunkers try to say, it seems to have been far from bad - of Chemtrail Central!
The debunkers, themselves, have taken a step in this direction, all but depicting Chemtrail Central of violating the First Amendment, by abridging free speech. This was quickly followed up by the implication that chemtrail opponents had something to hide!
To be sure, the issue of calculatedly disruptive material in an honest, earnest discussion, is something which deserves consideration. Would the debunkers, for example, cry foul if a seminar of particle physics were constantly broken into by someone declaring, over and over, that they don’t believe that “two plus two equals four”? And, no matter what they say, their intrusions into threads on the Main Forum did have that quality! More, what if those protestations were motivated by a devotion to literally halting the discussions on particle physics in their tracks?
It is all well and good to point constantly at the First Amendment, but that is only a superficial response. Those with depth of honor realize that, for all that the Constitution guarantees certain things, those have their own requirements, too. They are liberties, but not licenses! License is permission that has no provisions whatsoever! Liberty is permission, but it has a stipulation. That stipulation is that it be used honorably, in well meaning, with good and constructive intent! Yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theatre, if there is no fire, cannot easily - if at all - be argued as being done with good intent! And that essence must be applied to uses of liberties! Because, among other things, that cannot be said to weigh in the favor of the person who seeks to annihilate constructive discussion by constantly interrupting discussion on particle physics with apparently gratuitous objections. In this way, too, the actions of the debunkers cannot readily be represented as covered by the First Amendment.
If, however, equal time for all viewpoints were to be pursued - it is just as possible to have seminars for those who say two plus two is not four - there can be ways to arrange to prevent the apparent ill-willed disruption of constructive interaction, without effectively branding those who participate in the Main Forum. One way can be to add the proviso, to the Main Forum, that posts antagonistic toward, deprecatory of, insulting to, or intended to disrupt examination of chemtrails along lines generally accepted by chemtrail opponents would be prohibited. Alternatively, a forum devoted entirely to debunker comments, with thread titles directly linked to threads on the Main Forum, can also be adopted. The debunkers may protest that this will allow essentially unfettered involvement solely in chemtrail opponent discussion, but, would they protest if only those who believed that two plus two equals four were allowed to discuss particle physics?
With these points as a basis, I voice a reticence about posting in the Main Forum. However, the significance of this material seems to legislate against its being summarily exiled to a lesser viewed forum. This is not directly related to chemtrails, as such, but addresses a phenomenon that seems to be the outgrowth of chemtrail activity.
What has come to be called the land hurricane - perhaps the second or third of a string, to be expected in the near future - was in the area of New Jersey and New York, around the middle of May. Below are a few pictures of the clouds that this system included.

They are completely abnormal for New Jersey, for just about any time of the year.
More than that, though, is the sheer number of different types of clouds that are present in this system at the same time. Very obvious is the fairly high lying, almost featureless cloud deck. Just below this are, frequently to be seen, cumulus clouds. Often, though, the cloud deck will break apart to show some blue sky above. Also above can be seen cirrus or puffy cirro-cumulus clouds. Smooth, laminar cloud tops can sometimes be seen through breaks in the cloud deck, while, below, there can be the blistered kind of cloud that often indicates pockets of locally warm air, affecting overlying cold vapor. This has to be characterized as utterly anomalous. The reasons behind it must be considered to, likely, be something man-made, and, just as likely, involving chemtrails.
This type of system does, indeed, seem to have many qualities in common with traditional, or normal, hurricanes or cyclones. Its size is comparable to that of a normal cyclone, as is the fact that it rotates counterclockwise. Its movement across the land is also comparable to that of a normal hurricane, or, perhaps, twice as fast.
The speed of the winds around its center, though, are not the same as to be found in natural hurricanes. The average wind speed for most historic cyclones on the Eastern Seaboard is 100 to 150 mph. The winds associated with these phenomena are, usually, no more than 15 mph, gusting, perhaps to 35. Too, these systems move west to east, over land, not east to west, over water. Also, where normal hurricanes are usually composed of collections of violent rainstorms, these seem little more than huge agglomerations of clouds. Like normal hurricanes, they also have large “tails” unwinding in spiral fashion, east of the storm. Unlike hurricanes, they lead the storm center, rather than follow it. Too, the tails seem to tend to have the stronger weather, not the center. These disturbances may, then, be represented as "dry hurricanes" or "dry cyclones".

(I anticipate a coining of a descriptive term, combining these concepts, similar to "chemtrails", and so introduce, for consideration, "dryclone" for these types of systems.)
To understand what may have given rise to these phenomena, it may be helpful to understand what causes a traditional hurricane.
Normally, hurricanes are caused when huge amounts of warm, wet air ascend to the upper atmosphere. Rising, the water vapor chills and condenses, and the thermal energy in the air is released. It is this energy that, essentially, fuels the hurricane. The rotating shape is maintained by, essentially, the enormous suction caused by wet air welling upward, drawing the storm clouds around the center of the system. The condensed out water vapor forms the rains. But the transferring of thermal energy from a warm substance, to the air, causing the air to rise in huge amounts, seems key to this process.
There is, almost certainly, a huge amount of energy represented by the masses of clouds rotating around the centers of these land hurricanes. What is holding them in shape, it seems, though, is not the pressure of a partial vacuum, caused by rising air, but, rather, the walls of lobes of intensely cold air that still seem to penetrate south, into the contiguous states, as they did during the past winter. Even during the winter, the intrusions of cold air seemed anomalous. Normally, the jet stream will be fairly uniform, curving around single large tongues of arctic air, about the width of the entire United States.
This past winter, however, narrow lobes of cold air would regularly penetrate south, each, usually, no more than about 1000 miles wide. The jet stream would arc south, along the eastern boundary of an air mass, then suddenly turn north, as it reached the southernmost tip, then curve south, again, as it encountered the western wall of another tongue of cold air. In at least one case, three lobes, each about 500 miles wide, moved across the United States. Air disturbances were, essentially, confined between these lobes, and formed hurricane like, spiral storm systems.
There was, to be sure, some apparent strong weather associated with these systems, but it seemed confined more to the eastern arcing tail, rather than the central swirl of clouds, unlike normal cyclones. These areas would be where the warmer, wetter air would normally combine with the intruding colder air. The spiraling center, however, seemed to be free of such weather. In essence, then, these can be called dry hurricanes.
What could cause this formation, then?
It is the freezing out of warm water which produces both the energy and rain of normal hurricanes. The calculated condensing of some other material, not water, could provide the energy present in the huge swirls of clouds that have been seen, while not producing significant rain in the center. A volatile substance, presumably with a fairly high condensation, or even freezing, temperature - to ensure that it will release its energy, no matter what the situation - could be sprayed in large amounts from jets. If it has a relatively low thermal inertia, compared to water, that could allow it to transfer its heat to the air more readily than water vapor would, making this substance the key to the transferring of heat to the atmosphere. If water has a higher thermal inertia than the volatile substance, it would be less likely, too, to increase in temperature enough to invade the upper air and also condense out, forming a normal storm; the volatile’s energy would be transferred, essentially, only to the air. Because water, then, will not rise as much as with normal hurricanes, only the heated air, it will not be as crucial to the formation of the system. Not as much will condense out. There will be numerous clouds, in the center, but much less precipitation than with a normal hurricane.
Recently, there seems to have been an upsurge in reports of so-called “invisible chemtrails”, that is, lines all but invisible, against the sky, or cleaving clouds in two, often taking several minutes to work, so that, when the cloud is affected, the jet that caused it may be nowhere in sight. These may have some connection to this.
Further out from the center, though, where the spraying with the volatile may not have been so intense, there will be an impulse to air, to rush inwards. This can cause the spiraling of the tail. Out here, though, normal water circulation into the upper atmosphere will still exist. Under normal conditions, it may only cause regular rainstorms. With the controlling effect of the air being pulled in toward the center of the dry cyclone, however, these storms can become more localized, more focused, producing a heavily storm laden leading edge. Indeed, with an impulse applied to the air to rush toward the artificially low pressured “eye”, circulation of warm, wet air into the upper atmosphere can even be enhanced, leading to abnormally powerful precipitation. And, with powerful cold fronts bounding the movement of the air, the formation of a circular storm system can be even more likely.
And much of this seems to have been happening, at least with the unusual, spiraling weather fronts that have moved across the country in the past couple of months.
On Tuesday, May 20, it should be mentioned, a meteorologist for the local NBC station commented, with respect to the predicted rain that we had had “three days of clear weather. That’s unusual for this area!” The same day, a weatherman on the WPIX affiliate said we were still encountering “a wintry pattern”! They called it “the winter that wouldn’t end”, and, then, “the spring that wouldn’t start”! There has to come a point when it is admitted that the weather is utterly atypical, even to the point of being bizarre!
And that would suggest it is man-made!
A weaker system, but also demonstrating the same spiral type pattern, moved from the area around Texas, along the Eastern Seaboard, up to Canada, in the past week or so. It has produced some rain in New Jersey, but mostly just cloudy weather. This, however, is not a spring type system.
It is crucial that people take it on themselves to pursue their welfare, if it will not be respected by others. Chemtrails must be followed and their apparent effects noted. More, determined efforts to alert others must be made. If the news organizations will not promote the truth, other means can be used. Everything from posting notices, with internet links to chemtrail sites, on bulletin boards everywhere from town halls to supermarkets is but one method. Handing out leaflets is another. And just broaching the subject in conversation, and fending off any displays of contempt or ridicule, is another. The people have to see to their rights!

Julian Penrod

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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net

August 6, 2003

To all:
The phenomenon of land hurricanes constituted one of the major meteorological features of the United States, towared the beginning of this year. They constituted huge, spiraling cohesive weather fronts, rotating counter-clockwise, but moving west to east, across land. Their center wind speeds were far less than those of normal water hurricanes, though, and their most destructive weather seemed to be in their tails, not their eyes. Symptomatic of this period, too, it seems was the prolonged cloudy, wet and even wintry weather, along the East Coast. Terms like "weird", "strange", "unusual" and even "hundred year storm" became commonplace. Another term which came into vogue, at that time, was "training". It was "explained" as meaning the formation of a pattern, whereby storms would move along a stationary weather front, presumably like cars on a train. Not once, though, was it explained what it was that generated the storms to "train" along the frontal boundary, in the first place!
For those fearing the use of psychological tools to subjugate the American population, the use of the term "training" could take on a more sinister suggestion.
At the time, I suggested a possible mechanism for the formation of land hurricanes. Water, rising from oceans, is, presumably, the "engine" driving normal cyclones. Rising through the atmosphere, the water precipitates out, and its heat energy enters the surrounding air, driving it. If water is not to be used to power the formation of a land hurricane, I suggested, something else, likely, will have to be employed. I suggested that it would be introduced into the atmosphere in gaseous form and, presumably, stay that way. That would indicate that it could be a volatile. To supplant water, it, likely, would have to precipitate out, releasing its heat to the air, more readily than water, meaning that it would, likely, have a lower thermal inertia than water.
The pattern of land hurricanes seemed to end around the end of May, the beginning of June.
In the past two weeks, however, it seems to have started up, again. Every day sees a sequence of powerful storm fronts moving through northern New Jersey. There is not a day in at least the past week that hasn't seen at least one powerful thunderstorm, along with several mild rains. There seems to have been at least 4 inches of rain in northern New Jersey, in the last week. Even the term "training" is being uttered, again!
A look at infra-red satellite images on www.accuweather.com, in the past couple of weeks, also will have shown a couple of spiral land hurricane type structures in northern Canada, just south of Baffin Bay. The tails, however, loop southward into the contiguous United States.
Tellingly, however, are a number of phenomena that have been observed, during the massive rainstorms that have been hitting The Garden State. A few days ago, for example, while a heavy thunderstorm was occurring outside, I noticed that our freezer had water on the outside of its door! The freezer is well insulated; touching the door, I felt a temperature only a couple of degrees cooler than the air. It was, by no means, cold enough to cause condensation. Even if the atmosphere is very humid! Yesterday and today, riding in our van, with the air conditioner running, I noticed that huge amounts of water had condensed onto the outside of the windows! The windows weren't cool enough, even with the air conditioner going, to cause anything like major condensation, even under humid conditions! The salt in our salt shaker has been clogging up the holes and failing to pour normally, also! When we open the shaker, the salt is in clumps, along the rim. When we touch it, it is literally damp! We have to change the salt every day, now! My wife said that she had never seen this happen before, even in the most humid weather! Paper in the house is chill to the touch and unusually flaccid, as if it had been in the presence of steam!
This suggests what may be happening. It seems that, unlike normal circumstances, in which water is caused to condense due to particularly low temperatures, water, now, is being literally forced out of the air! This suggests that there is something in the air, other than water, or any other normal air component, which is taking the place of water, essentially pushing the water out!
And this brings up the idea of an abnormal gas being used in the atmosphere, to take the place of water, and form hurricanes over land!
A related point can be seen if you look at the web pages www.natures.com/030721/030721-10.html, or www.spacedaily.com/news/earth-03w.html, you will see reports on a recent discovery with respect to the earth's atmosphere. The tropopause, the boundary between the troposphere and the stratosphere, has, supposedly, changed! Where, normally, it is given as about 10 miles in height, it is reported to have risen a couple of hundred meters, in the past 25 years or so! Perhaps, unsurprisingly, "official" sources target such things as fossil fuel consumption. Such things as the deliberate pumping of weather altering chemicals into the atmosphere are studiously avoided! Moreover, while the height of the tropopause may be significantly different from what it was a quarter of a century ago, that doesn't necessarily mean that that change occurred gradually over that entire period! If conditions changed during just the past few years - since 1997, say - those wishing to hide the truth while still hewing to a version of the facts could still say that "the height of the tropopause changed since 1979"!
There seems little reason not to suspect that a foreign agent may have been introduced into the atmosphere, for the purpose of weather modification!

Julian Penrod

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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net

September 16, 2003


To all:
For some time, I have been referring to my feeling that some material has been introduced into the atmosphere to, essentially, take the place of water, in the weather producing engine. A volatile substance, with a lower thermal inertia, and, for that matter, density, than water, and relatively non-reactive would be more responsive to the processes of heat energy absorption, at lower altitudes, and heat shedding, at high altitudes, and would tend to remain for some time. Such a system, not requiring water to produce weather systems, could be responsible for the spate of "land hurricanes" that assaulted the country, in the early part of 2003.

I have been seeing other indications of water, essentially, being replaced in the weather machine by some other substance. During the summer, for example, on some days, I found water to be condensing abnormally readily. One day, for example, even though our freezer has a temperature, on the outside, of no less than 65º, water was condensing in huge droplets on it. Paper products, from typing paper to toilet paper, also had a moist feel. Printer paper was difficult to handle, because it was unusually flaccid, almost as if sodden, This can be explained by water, essentially, being "squeezed out" of the atmosphere, by another gas, taking its place!

On Saturday, September 13, 2003, it rained a large part of the morning. The rain, strangely, had a light sound to it. The rain was heavy, and had fair sized drops. But, while such a rain would, typically, produce a heavy sound, outside, this rain was much quieter. Looking out, too, the raindrops seemed strangely whitish in color. Falling so swiftly, rain, normally, would have a blurred appearance, but this also had a faint bleached appearance. Sunday was clear, but, again, we had heavy condensation on our freezer. On Monday, September 15, it rained again. The rain, this time, was not so white in appearance, but it still had a lighter sound than before, and the rings in the puddles, where it fell, seemed smaller than usual. This can be explained by a lighter than normal substance being in the raindrops. If raindrops are lighter than usual, they would be more affected by air friction, and so end up not falling so quickly. This could keep the ripples they form on the ground from being dramatic, and, coupled with the lesser density, can explain the lack of noise, when they hit the ground.

Other things that have come to be apparent, this year, are that, for example, our salt has been constantly caking up. We have never had to replace the salt in our salt shaker. A box of salt would last us all year. This year, a box of salt could be opened and, in a few days, it would already be clumped up. Mold has been forming on everything from bread to plant leaves to leather shoes, this year. People have also been complaining about having to use inhalers more often than usual, this year. People have also been using their air conditioners even on cooler nights. We have had to change our sheets every couple of days, this summer, because they seemed damp and uncomfortable. Water still seemed in the air, but not as impenetrably mixed, as under normal circumstances. It seems in a borderline state. While, before, it may have made air seem thicker, this year, it almost seems on the verge of precipitating out even under normal circumstances. For many people, it can almost be like being underwater, with water literally precipitating out as a liquid, even under circumstances when it would normally remain as a vapor!

It may be helpful if any similar experiences in other parts of the country were compiled, ad well.

Julian Penrod

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I would like to read Julian's post in it's entirety but words running beyond the limit of space forcing one to scroll back and forth makes it a chore. I wonder what causes this and if the mod's can do any thing about it.

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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net

September 24, 2003

To all:

To say that the weather this year, even these past few years, has been atypical to the point of being bizarre is to state the obvious.

To say that it can be related to chemtrail influence on the atmosphere is equally likely, if not self-evident.

Among the most recent unusual circumstances is the suddent depletion of energy in Hurricane Isabel, as well as the diminution of water content, downgrading it from a level 4 to a level 2. More than that, it is that this all occurred while the hurricane was still over water! Water is supposed to be the motivating source of energy in a hurricane. To have a hurricane lose stature while it is still over the ocean strongly suggests that water may not have been the chemical driving the engines of the storm!

I have been suggesting, for a while now, that water seems to be being replaced as the source of energy for weather systems, in the atmosphere. The fact that what were termed "land hurricanes" could have wreaked the havoc they did, earlier this year, the fact that they could have existed at all, indicates that something other than water must be being employed to drive meteorological systems! I employed the term "dry cyclone" to depict this circumstance.

Earlier this summer, more evidence that water must be being forced out of its place in the weather machine surfaced. Circumstances throughout the summer were consistent with water literally being "squeezed out" of the air, as if being aggressively displaced by some other chemical. Several times during the summer, for example, we developed great amounts of precipitation on the outside of our freezer. This could be explained if it were not the case that our freezer is extremely well insulated, so that the temperature of its outer surface never fell below 65º, probably never below 70º! If water were not being forced out of the air, it would never condense in copious rivulets on so tepid a surface! It would never condense at all! It certainly never happened before, in all the time we owned the freezer! One night, the outside of the windows on our van fogged up so much it almost couldn't be seen through, again, even though its temperature was not even cool! Printer paper was literally flaccid, a couple of times; salt caked up within a day; tile floor surfaces would become so slick you could skid on them, even though they would be wiped each day!

Now, on the night of September 22, a storm of completely unexpected, even incredible, ferocity whipped up in New Jersey. It was presaged by another phenomenon that seems associated with the displacing of water as a chief force in weather formation. It is a truism of meteorology that, at night, the weather does not change. If a weather system is calm, at the beginning of evening, it, generally, stays that way, until morning. If a storm begins before nightfall, it, likely, will continue until morning, at least, until it rains itself out. A storm can move into an area that was previously clear, but that storm will not change character during the night. This is because, when water acts to affect the atmosphere, the influx of energy from the sun drives it. When that is removed, the water does very little on its own. In order to replace water in weather formation, however, the chemical in the atmosphere would, likely, have to be both volatile and have a much lower thermal inertia. This could make it extremely reactive, which means that, even at night, it should yield an active patterning of clouds.

And that is precisely what has been occurring, frequently, now. Even on nights when there isn't a full moon, clouds in contorted shapes - suggestive of robust activity - could be seen in the sky. Clouds would come into being, merge and, apparently, even dissipate. If heavy cloud cover existed, there could be holes in it, showing that it has evaporated, in some spots. When the moon was out, elaborate patterns of wisp could be seen around it, changing shape, even when the wind was still, indicating that it wasn't weather systems being introduced from somewhere where the sun was still energizing the atmosphere significantly. The camera I use to track chemtrail and abnormal meterorological activity is not sensitive enough to easily pick up cloud patterns on particularly dark nights. If someone has more sophisticated equipment, they can keep a watch for unusual activity, late at night, and provide examples.

Such active cloud behavior was to be seen, the night of September 22. Overnight, a storm suddenly developed. Rain was steady from about midnight until about 10:00 a.m., the morning of September 23. This was the case in northern New Jersey. In central New Jersey, however, it is reported, enormously destructive tornadoes assaulted the towns of Flemington and Ewing Township causing huge damage. They, reportedly, were not even foreseen. Weather services were only just able to get out a warning that they were developing. It seems evident that it is because they were using equipment and criteria used to judge the effects of water driven weather, whereas, here, something else may be at work!

For that matter, though, it is in keeping with the equally aberrant fact of tornadoes forming in New Jersey, period! Tornadoes should not form in areas like New Jersey! At least, not classical tornadoes! The theory of tornado formation involves wind being able to travel long distances, until parallel sheets, essentially, "flip", then start rotating about each other. This could not traditionally happen in an area of such rough topography as borders the Appalachians. Wind flow should be consistently broken up by that terrain. Only flat spaces, such as the American Midwest, should have significant tornado development. And, in fact, until the Nineties, tornadoes were all but nonexistent, east of the Mississippi. It was impossible for tornadoes to develop in rugged landscapes!

The development of a different system of weather formation, however, involving significantly more aggressive and active chemicals, could, supposedly, produce tornadoes anywhere!

And this seems to be what is happening!

Because, if one looked at the storm line that included the weather systems that spawned the tornadoes in New Jersey, it constituted a westward concave arc, moving east at about 20 or so miles per hour, curving counterclockwise, up to a loosely defined curl of cloudiness, in the north. What is becoming the classic shape of a "land hurricane", or a "dry cyclone"! The savage weather in New Jersey occurred in the tail of this apparent "dry cyclone"!

As of midnight, September 24, 2003, there seems another dry cyclone centered over south central Canada, with its active tail moving east, past the Great Lakes, also toward the East Coast!

The people have to be willing to keep on the lookout, when their birthright and legacy are being ravaged, but, first, they have to be willing to acknowledge how it is being done!

Julian Penrod

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Julian,

Maybe the air is super-saturated with moisture by reaction with what is added there.

I noticed even on relatively low humidity days the raindrops collected on the ridges (not valleys) of the black plastic bedliner of my pickup do not want to evaporate even at 60 mph!

Also the popcorn clouds that form so intensely white and quickly dissipate, only to re-form again very nearby, may be part of what you are describing.

I definitely believe the clouds are holding or hiding something. often when I photograph an unusual sky condition using a polarizing filter, with tripod, remote shutter release, and care, there appear some objects in the picture that should not be there. The "Blue Gas Clouds" thread in the "Clouds" forum show some of this, complete with fast moving objects.

I have seen several times in the past three months a singular ridge of cloud form above the western horizon in clear blue sky conditions. The horizontal ridge seemed to ooze with blue bubbles that changed slowly only if you watched it for several minutes. The quick passing glance most folks cast is not going to show the change of this slowly maturing phenomena.

The next thing is to find out how these things are happening. The level of technology must be stunning. I do know one thing. Here near the west coast of Oregon it is NOT the ground transportation that is causing the massive pink over gray horizon haze that is everywhere at all hours of the day, and never lifts. And this is on a clear blue-sky day!

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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net

October 8, 2003

To all:

Indications of some substance taking the place of water in weather causation, and, subsequently, literally "squeezing" water out of the air seem to be continuing to mount.

We have a bottle of Bayer aspirin, in our house. Its "sell by" date was in 2000, but it has been good ever since we bought it. A while ago, to save space, we placed some Extra Strength Bufferin tablets in the bottle, too. Nothing strange was seen to happen, until this week. The aspirin and Bufferin tablets, we found, had concreted together. As with the salt, water seemed to have left the air, dissolved the material of the tablets, and caused them to solidify. Unlike with the salt, though, we found that the Bufferin tablets had changed color, from white, to a light beige.

At the same time as we found the tablets to have been cemented together, we also heard that there were atypical cold spells, across the northern part of the country. In fact, both Minnesota and Cleveland had snow, last week. The first week of October is patently too early for snow, anywhere in the contiguous states! If, however, water is being forced out of the air, to make way for another substance, it would make it all the more likely for precipitation of any form to occur, even if conditions do not favor its natural formation.

In addition to unusual moisture related interactions with objects - such as condensing in large amounts on only slightly cooled surfaces, and causing materials to dissolve and stick together - and unusual weather conditions - such as the apparently atypical downgrading of Hurricane Isabel - an evident sign of an unnatural substance being introduced into the atmosphere is unusually active clouds after dark. If the substance being put into the air to take the place of water in weather causation is more reactive than water, it should produce active weather manifestations, even under conditions that wouldn’t favor water. Clouds of unusual and dramatic shapes, after dark, could indicate that something is causing them to shift, twist and change form. If the clouds are composed of something that is reactive even in cold air, clouds could display an active, changeable quality, even when the air is too cold for water to be so dynamic. At about 11:45 p.m., on Sunday, October 5, there was a “hole punch cloud” near the eastern end of West Caldwell. It was a classical “hole punch cloud”, forming in a thin, cirrus layer; having sharp, crisp borders; and with a straight line of congealed cloud through the center. At about 12:15 a.m., there was another hole punch type cloud, to the north and east of West Caldwell. This was entirely inside a cloud, and did not have a congealed area of cloud in the center.

In the past month, or so, chemtrails, we have noticed, have been all but absent from West Caldwell. In fact, for the past few months, they have been curiously uncommon, even on days when, formerly, they would be abundant. The abnormal weather has continued, however, and, if it is due to something being entered into the atmosphere to take the place of water, it would have to be on a scale perhaps even greater than chemtrailing could produce. We have begun to wonder if, perhaps, this replacement material might be being released through large scale dispersal, perhaps from giant evaporating patches. We have wondered if, for example, “spills” have been engineered, in the ocean, consisting of this reactive material, and been allowed to vaporize into the air. If, however, the substance is being spread from chemtrails, the fact that they have been absent can be reflective of the fact that the material evaporates suddenly and dramatically, as soon as it is released. Or, if the substance is present in the air, its volatility may be what is keeping chemtrail droplets from hanging suspended and condensed in the atmosphere.

Curiously, though, today, Wednesday, October 8, a contrail was to be seen over West Caldwell, traveling east to west. This is significant, because, for the most part, east-west contrails or chemtrails are all but nonexistent, at all times. I have speculated lending a grain to the air as one major reason for solely north-south chemtrails over the township. Debunkers, though, might be tempted to insist that it is only due to the fact that the only airports of any consequence are nearby, meaning jets would be too low, on approach or taking off, to cause trails. Then why would this trail be formed?

Other questionable factors seem to be present, however, that hint at something strange going on. It is, generally, a dangerous thing to assume that any phenomenon is necessarily so limited in scope that only its most obvious facets need be considered. If, indeed, atmospheric alteration may be in the works, it may express itself in any of a number of forms.

Within the past few weeks, since the beginning of school, in fact, a major topic in the news is the successive closing down of schools because of “mold”. Even schools nowhere near each other, and of vastly differing ages and conditions, have been hit by the same “problem”! One which was never a situation of concern before, and which, if it truly existed, reasonably should be expected to have been discovered on routine school maintenance over the two and a half month summer vacation!

In each case, students from the presumably afflicted schools are sent home with complaints of “headaches”, “shortness of breath”, “nausea” and “nosebleeds”. These are strikingly similar to, if not exactly the same as, the complaints of people assaulted by the reddish goo from heavy chemtrailing! The elementary school in West Caldwell was closed because of “mold”, just yesterday, Tuesday, October 7!

At the same time, we hear that doctors are staging strike after strike, presumably complaining that patients that they butcher by cutting out the wrong side of their brain are being awarded too much in malpractice cases! In fact, on Tuesday after Tuesday, for the past few months, they have been shutting their doors and fleeing the cities, en masse, presumably “demonstrating” for tort reform! Yesterday and today, for example, they were in Neptune, New Jersey, staging a demand for caps on malpractice awards to their victims. Curiously, though, tort reform and legal caps is a matter for government intervention and legislation. And that makes it a matter for Trenton! Not Neptune! What were they doing at the shore, instead of making their voices heard at the state capitol?

Unless, of course, they knew the state was being assaulted with some kind of chemical, and they wanted to be somewhere where offshore air might mitigate the effects!

It is time that occurrences other than just lines in the sky be seen as indicating that something is happening and what exactly that is! To limit the scope of one’s observation is to, potentially, limit the range of one’s understanding!

Julian Penrod

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Did you notice today, Thursday, Oct 9th, the aerosals are back with a vengeance over Northern New Jersey?

I too, have noticed strange occurences with excess and lack of water vapor.

One day last week, my steering wheel on my van was soaked. It had not rained, but the hunifity was high. However, I have this vehicle for 17 years, and I have never seen such a thing before. My wife actually pinted it out to me. There are other anomolies. Where is the "frost on the pumpkins" always so common in New Jersey this time of the year? I remember always seeing dew on the ground in Sept-Oct for the past 50 years.

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posted 10-09-2003 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeanie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding humidity, today Oct.9th, totally chemmed over for several days in succession with more to come. No rain for several days, I noticed the country roads were soaking wet where ever branches of trees extended out over the road. I thought, strange, never saw that before.

Regarding debunkers and Chemtrail Central, their inroads here are much deeper than many might suspect.


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julianpenrod
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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net

October 19, 2003


To all:

Yet more suggestions that water is being replaced as the engine of weather formation seem to be accumulating.

Thursday, October 9, 2003, the weather over West Caldwell was eminently strange. Among other things, there were chemtrails throughout the day. By early afternoon, there had been least fifteen chemtrails in the sky. One, at about 11:00 a.m., was oriented east-west. This is significant since, for the most part, chemtrails and contrails over West Caldwell are oriented east-west. The rest of the chemtrails were at most fifteen degrees off north-south. Most of the airports east or west of West Caldwell are very close, apparently so close that jets taking off or landing would be very low, as they passed over West Caldwell. A commercial jet flying at 35,000 feet would, likely, have to have taken off in the middle of the ocean, or in Europe, and be travelling to a far inland airport. By the same token, a commercial jet taking off from an airport would have to have taken off far away, and be heading to Europe.

At about 5:00, though, something unusual, and, as far as I remember seeing, unprecedented, occurred. At that time, there were at least three distinct chemtrails in the sky, all oriented north-south. Stretching across them was what can only be called an “anti-rainbow”. This was a partial spectrum covering maybe 80º or more of a circle, but it was convex toward the position of the sun! The sun was about 15º or 20º high, or less, in the sky, while the rainbow was 75º or 80º high, and curved in the direction opposite the sun! The rainbow did not form an arc that would encircle the sun, it seemed to center on a spot at, perhaps, 10º past the zenith, and this has never happened before, in all the times I have seen rainbows form. Too, the rainbow seemed not to depend on the chemtrails, or any obvious cloud structures in the sky, since it didn’t increase or decrease in strength, and it even seemed to extend beyond any cloudiness, into apparently clear air!

It is not necessarily immediately obvious how injecting a substitute for water vapor into the atmosphere can produce an “anti-rainbow”, but, when you have something alien in the atmosphere, and an alien effect becomes noticeable, it would be foolhardy not to at least suspect that there is a connection.

That night, there were some “active looking” clouds in the sky, again. These are clouds showing come kind of development, such as breaking up, twisting, or fraying at the edges, something that cooled water vapor in supposedly calm air would not be expected to do. But something that a material that is still reactive, even at extremely low temperatures, might be considered likely to do.

A characteristic quality of water vapor replacement in the atmosphere, that I suggested be looked for is the unusual “squeezing out” of water, that is, water leaving the air, because it is being replaced by this new substance. Leaves of paper being inordinately flexible, is one sign, as is unusual clumping of, say, sugar or salt, or condensation of huge amounts of water on surfaces that are not even remotely cold, only very slight cooler than the rest of the surroundings. We have been seeing, too, rising reports of mold, in many places. Schools throughout at least the northern New Jersey area have had to close, or not open, for mold infestation that no one seemed to know was there! In our own home, we found a sudden stain of mold on a carpet that had lain in place, with no problems, for seven years, now, and been in use here, and elsewhere, for more than ten! Mold is fed by dampness, and, if water is being forced out of the atmosphere, it would seem to be facilitating the development of mold!

When opposing the adulteration of your world and your life, it can be critical to keep a vigilance of watch!

Julian Penrod

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posted 10-29-2003 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for quarantine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a tremendous amount of thoughtful comment by observant people in this thread.

I can add that I hosed off an area of my concrete driveway a few days ago in the afternoon, but it and it alone was saturated wet where the hose water sprayed, EVEN THE NEXT MORNING!!. Everything else surrounding was bone-dry.

Then there was a big glop of clear "something" that fell on my truck a month ago. It wasn't there when I left the house, but was there on the hood and windshield, even a bit on the roof and in the pickup bed, when I arrived at my destination a few miles away. I bagged a sample of it and the bagged material is still soft, wet and gel-like. I will post pictures of this soon. I would like to have the material sample tested and identified.

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posted 11-03-2003 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for julianpenrod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net

November 2, 2003


To all:

First, to quarantine, kind remarks are appreciated.

Second, concerning quarantine's remark that the section of concrete by his house remained wet, even after one day, when everything else was dry: this may be significant. Has it dried at all, since that time? Have any neighbors seen the same thing at their houses?

With respect, too, to the mysterious gelatin that fell on their truck, this could bear examination. Both because "debunkers" tend to call into question the qualifications of analyses that chemtrail opponents' researchers have done, and because I do not necessarily trust the labs that the "debunkers" would suggest, I recommend the chemtrail opponents begin to take on themselves the task of analyzing information. This would not necessarily be so easy, but ignoring something simply because it's difficult is not the most laudable of notions. But a number of other factors do stand in the way, as well. Among these is access to the equipment most research labs use, from chemicals to conductivity testing equipment to spectroscopes.

For this reason, I have suggested a number of fairly easy methodologies for obtaining at least elementary information about chemtrails. A compass alone can allow you to determine direction. It should be possible to compile a list of how many chemtrails are seen, and which directions they go in. In the thread "chemtrails sizes", I suggested a method of using still photographs to gauge contrail durations. It is not difficult to show, for example, that 95% of all contrails seem to last no more than 5 seconds, with the majority of the remainder lasting only around 20 seconds. Contrails with durations of, say, 15 seconds, or, say, 35 seconds are, at least over West Caldwell, apparently, utterly nonexistent. This is one indication of the unreasonableness of the attempt to represent chemtrails as just one phase in a spectrum of durations for normal contrails.

With respect to the gelatinous material you found, more sophisticated tests may be unlikely, right now, but if, for example, you can manage to isolate a portion of a known volume, and weigh it, you can, at least get a density. Holding it up to the light, you could get an idea of its color. If you can set small enough amounts apart, you could test to see if they are soluble in water, oil, acetone or weak acids, although, not knowing the material, or its reactions, I would recommend being careful. To be gelatinous, it is very possible that it might have an organic polymeric structure, and organic molecules can often require much more involved analytical techniques, but colloidal suspensions often can have much the same property, too. Do you know of anyone else in the area who may have had such samples deposited near them?

Broaching another subject: another quality I have been noticing, which seems to indicate the replacement of water in the air with some other substance, is the presence, these days, of strange colored clouds. It is becoming more and more the case that clouds with a distinctly unusual tone have been appearing in the sky. Sometimes, they can be distinctly reddish or pinkish in hue, sometimes slightly brownish, sometimes, they can be an unnatural dark gray all over. It may not always be the case, but I have noticed a number of circumstances in which these colored clouds develop when there is an overlying cirrus layer, which usually stays completely white. Perhaps the presence of an ice layer high up can prevent the funneling upward of this new material, and that forces its condensation at lower levels. In cases when all over gray clouds form beneath white cirrus layers, I have tested the appearance of the clouds by working on their pictures. The photographic software I have has a number of options for altering or working with images. One is a quick and basic apparent enhancement of color and brightness differences. Applying this to photographs of these gray shaded clouds, I have obtained dramatic displays of colors from brown to red to yellow. Normal clouds, darkened because they may be in shadow, may, at best turn slightly blue when enhancements are made, but nowhere near the spectrum seen with these gray clouds! Below are two examples.


We have been noticing other manifestations that seem to go hand in hand with the replacing of water in the atmosphere. If water is being removed and replaced, it seems likely that the new material will start to filter down, and enter the water supply. My wife likes tea, and because of a cold we have had for the past couple of weeks, she has been drinking tea a lot. Both in the past few weeks, and for some time before that, she says, she has been noticing that her tea cools down abnormally quickly. The water is heated regularly, on gas jets, not in a microwave, so it isn’t the nature of microwave heating that causes her tea to cool so swiftly. Today, November 2, 2003, the temperature reading we saw, in West Caldwell, was 82º, but, no more than a minute after pouring piping hot water - or “water” - in her cup, and adding only a small amount of milk, the tea - or “tea” - was no more than tepid! The facet that made this presumed replacement material capable of shouldering water aside as a prime mover of weather was its apparent lower thermal inertia, which means that it can change temperature faster - meaning it can cool off faster! - than water! Has anyone else seen any cases of what is supposed to be water cooling faster, or heating more readily, than it normally would?

In terms of water supposedly being “squeezed out of the air”, we recently had to throw out a pair of leather boots, that we had had for some time, because the leather had, apparently, become covered over, in some spots, with a heavy coating of a kind of light blue mold on the outside! There was no mold on the inside! They weren’t in a closet, and they weren’t in a wet environment, and they had been in good shape for years before this!

In looking to understand what chemtrails are doing, it can be necessary to maintain a wide view. When it may be the entire environment that is the target of the apparent assault, it can be crucial not to necessarily consider anything as automatically beneath consideration!

Julian Penrod

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posted 11-06-2003 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for quarantine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To Julian Penrod and all,

Here are some responses to your recent questions.

Regarding the dampened concrete driveway, it took the entire next day to dry up the area. There is an increased amount of shade moss nearby, which is more than I have noticed in recent years.

Regarding the clear gelatinous material which I have a sample of, the material has begun to deteriorate and blacken (mold?) but is still retaining lots of moisture nearly two months later. Testing suggestions that you made were good ones, I'll try some of those.

The photo I took of the gel material on the truck was on 9-10-2003 at 12:03pm local time, posted here. It was rubbery, the sample which I still have has sucked up more moisture due to the bag not fully sealed, and is nearly fully liquid now.

After the experience Poco Loco had with his testing of Fibrils, I can say that I have had similar results getting rainwater tested, in that nobody really wanted to do the work in the end. I paid dearly on the rainwater testing only to find the results were "normal" but the test lab gave no actual quantities of their findings. What a crock. Then they wanted to charge me another $25 above the $200 we had agreed on to do the tests. Several months later they tried to re-bill me for the entire test with interest and penalties for the additional $25, which I had never agreed to, included. Makes you wonder about the veracity and compentency of testing outfits in general. Lucky me, I saved all my records, and could refute each of their contentions.

Nice cloud picture enhancements you posted, you have a real eye for that work.

Your point is well taken regarding "replacing of water in our atmosphere". My opinion is that the basic water content H2O is being modified on a large scale, as in chemical augmentation, not so much a replacement. The base is obviously still pretty much intact, however it is altered, without question.

I do think the elements which are being added do alter the water's characteristics of latent energy of vaporization and condensation. Last Spring of this year we had an extended period of wet weather with overcast but dry breaks in between. The air seemed to have more than the usual chill to it, the dry breaks, that is. We also had lots of hail, an ungainly amount, largely in the early afternoon. Just after the hail I noticed there were quick upward temperature swings, followed by another quick chill-off. Sometimes this activity happened all on the same day. I found it very odd.


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posted 11-14-2003 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for julianpenrod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net

November 9, 2003


Letters to the Editor


To all:

With respect to quarantine's suggestion that the water content of the air is being augmented, rather than the water being replaced, I still see suggestions that the replacing of water seems to be what is taking place, but the idea of atmospheric moisture alteration can stand some consideration. The chemical alteration of water is not impossible, a number of substances, dissolved in water, can have a significant effect on its properties. The simple chlorine salts, for example, have the effect of, among other things, changing freezing point and electrical conductivity. It seems unlikely that salts are being combined with atmospheric water, since, among other things, it would cause ice crystal clouds to form at much higher altitudes. There's also a question of how cumulus clouds would form. Are there any differences in the condensation point of salt water vapor, as opposed to that of normal water vapor? Numerous other water soluble chemicals, though, can affect a number of the characteristics of the compound.

There is at least one other possibility. If particles as fine as, or finer than, cigarette smoke - what are termed "colloids" - are introduced into water they can also affect the properties of the liquid. They combine mechanically, rather than chemically, and, likewise, can change the mechanical response of the water. Colloids can, it should be mentioned, produce gel-like results, when combined with water. It's not entirely likely that a gel-like compound would behave the way land hurricanes have indicated, but they can play a part.

An interesting development, too, is that there seems more and more acknowledgement of bacteria actually acting as seeds for condensation in the upper atmosphere. The Weather Notebook website, for example, states that “ice loves to form on some common bacteria, including a few of the Fusarium and Penicillium species.” Sites such as LiveJournal seem to handle questions on the matter, and, on the Earth and Sky website, it was actually revealed that, when a variety of scientists, “from microbiologists to cloud experts”, were questioned as to whether anything lives in clouds, “every single one said ‘interesting question’ -- but no one had a solid answer.” Blown into the upper atmosphere, though, they, as well, say, as algae or plankton, seem responsible for at least some formation, both of cirrus and cumulus clouds. While the Gaia Hypothesis may be debatable in its veracity, the idea of bacterial control of cloud formation seems to play a significant part there, too. The site, www.unisci.com, even suggests using the jet-assisted placing of bacteria clouds in arid regions to facilitate cloud formation and growth. Bacteria would have an advantage not even reactive chemicals might, namely, once dispersed, they not only tend to remain, they can actually aggressively spread on their own! Simple plants, if any can be found that can survive in high altitudes, they can thrive off the carbon dioxide and trace minerals there, growing in number with almost no obstacle! And each can act as a separate nuclei of condensation! While inert chemicals might dissipate to produce significant trails, bacteria can produce plumes much, much larger than the original by reproduction! The final content of a bacteria trail can be many times the original content released! This can be a definite source of the goo and “spiderwebs” that have been reported falling after heavy chemtrailing, also, as well as the source of diseases often reported after chemtrailing! Bacteria tend to have a distinct reproduction sequence, with a definable growth pattern. If bacteria are responsible for observed trails, it might be discernable in photographic analysis of the dispersion sizes of chemtrails, over time.

With respect to the idea of water being replaced, though, with something more reactive, it should be added that, we recently also discovered a box of razor blades that we had bought only a short time ago. Even though the box was not stored in a damp or even humid area, every single blade, even those not opened, seem to have rust on them! Also, we have begun noticing a definite tendency in weather reports to be increasingly imprecise both on short, as well as long, bases! A report may forecast clear skies and moderate temperatures, while, only a couple of hours later, the forecast may change to windy, with showers! An unnaturally reactive atmosphere could produce patently unpredictable conditions! Have others noticed a tendency for short-term forecasts to vary significantly, after only a couple of hours change? If track is kept of such uncontrolled forecasts, the working of these changes in the atmosphere could be charted.

Julian Penrod

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