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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 07-24-2003 09:41 PM
Chemtrail planes or Psy Ops???******************************** Seeing Things Chicago Spooked by ‘Ghost Planes’ ABCNEWS.com Just what are the ghost planes of Chicago? No one’s quite sure, but they’re spooking pilots and air traffic controllers alike. Images of airplanes that either do no exist or are very far away are popping up on radar that controls traffic at O’Hare International Airport, according to reports. And on a few occasions, controllers at Terminal Radar Approach Control center in Elgin unnecessarily ordered pilots to make sudden, dangerous moves to avoid the false images. “The ghosting is a complete terror for the air traffic controllers,” Charles Bunting, president of the Elgin local of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, told the Chicago Sun-Times.
‘Descend Immediately,“ The unnecessary orders issued suddenly by the controllers include: “immediate right turn,” “immediate left turn,” and “descend immediately,” according to the newspaper. In addition to planes that aren’t really there, controllers reported seeing airplanes from nearby airports appear much closer to O’Hare than they actually were. Some blame dated equipment. The Federal Aviation Administration is looking into it, but they offer other possibilities. False radar images can appear when a crane or construction tower is put up, said FAA spokesman Tony Molinaro. “Over the past five weeks there have been 13 unsubstantiated reports, meaning we still need to look into them,” Molinaro said. The FAA normally would expect about eight or nine reports of ghost images during that time, he said. Numbers Disputed Mike Egan, vice president of the controllers union at Elgin, accused the FAA of downplaying a serious problem, calling their number “a bald-faced lie.” “Maybe 130, but not 13,” Egan told the newspaper. “We had a couple of them today, as a matter of fact. They know there’s a problem.” In one case, an airplane appeared on radar north of the airport at 4,000 feet. In fact, the plane was on final approach to Midway Airport, according to the newspaper. Authorities insist that passengers have not been at risk. They also say that no near collisions have occurred, according to the newspaper. The Elgin control center handles air traffic within a 40-mile radius of O’Hare. Last year, the facility directed 1.36 million operations. Controllers in Aurora and at O’Hare also direct planes in the Chicago area. Concerns Over FAA Plan The radar complaints come as controllers raise concerns about the FAA’s plans to speed air traffic at O’Hare using controversial spacing and landing procedures. Under the plans, the FAA could resume testing a procedure as early as next month that stacks arriving planes vertically around O’Hare’s airspace. The planes would have to be at least 1,000 feet apart. Arrivals now are usually single-file. Bunting said that while controllers support increasing the efficiency of flights in and out of O’Hare, the radar situation raises questions about the safety of the procedure. “We don’t feel it’s a viable time to conduct these tests when safety can be compromised because of it,” he said. Controllers also signed a letter to the FAA citing pilots’ concerns about another procedure at O’Hare that allows faster takeoffs and landings on intersecting runways. The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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Deborah
Take It To The Limit

Flagstaff, AZ 700 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-24-2003 10:39 PM
Nice catch, Mech!Direct link: 22 May 2003 ABCNews.com Chicago Spooked by "Ghost Planes" http://abcnews.go.com/sections/travel/DailyNews/ghosts000522.html 
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Deborah
Take It To The Limit

Flagstaff, AZ 700 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-24-2003 10:48 PM
.....Mike Egan, vice president of the controllers union at Elgin, accused the FAA of downplaying a serious problem, calling their number “a bald-faced lie.”“Maybe 130, but not 13,” Egan told the newspaper. “We had a couple of them today, as a matter of fact. They know there’s a problem.”..... Geez, Mike, chill already. It's ALWAYS been this way. You just never NOTICED it before.

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Chem11
megasprayer news

The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-24-2003 10:54 PM
Mike Egan, vice president of the controllers union at Elgin, accused the FAA of downplaying a serious problem, calling their number “a bald-faced lie.” “Maybe 130, but not 13,” Egan told the newspaper. Why is the FAA lying? If public safety isn't at risk (as they claim) and it's just 'cranes' and 'construction towers' (?) popping up on radar, why the need to decieve the public? Of possible relevance: I distinctly recall members of the CC board that resided in Chicago complaining about low-flying aircraft zipping around the city under cover of darkness some time ago. I believe they called them 'Kites'. 
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Deborah
Take It To The Limit

Flagstaff, AZ 700 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-24-2003 11:41 PM
Re: "Kites" That was Philly, Chem. "Moondog" was the one who described those low-flying aircraft and gave them the name Kites because of their unique underbelly lighting configuration. BY THE WAY, did anyone see the brief news article today that referenced the low-flying private plane breaching security over the Presidential motorcade in Philadelphia? This aircraft was tailed by a police helicopter and subsequently forced to land. Bush was in the area visiting a facility that cuts tax-rebate checks. Does anyone have an update on this story?
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Chem11
megasprayer news

The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-25-2003 06:24 AM
Ah.I was thinking Djembemon observed them over Chicago, but I could be wrong. 
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