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halva
Senior Member

Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003

posted 09-15-2003 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for halva   Visit halva's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find my (uncontroversial, informational) postings at chemtrailtrackingusa are not being put up. Why, I wonder.

Anyone else had this problem?

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Ellyn
Senior Member


1242 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-20-2003 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A number of members posting to this site have commented to the moderators because their posts have been deleted. Owner and moderator, i_dont_chat,
made these comments concerning this:

From: "i_dont_chat"
Date: Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:54 am
Subject: From Moderator

I am going to repeat this. I reserve the right to delete messages
which get too much into preaching, quoting Scripture,
etc. etc. So, please be forewarned.

There is an inherent danger of this Group's getting off into
a discussion of what we believe, our religious and/or political
lendings.

What happens as a result of this type discussion: many
members feel like he/she must state "THEIR" beliefs; people get rude
to each other, put each other down, etc. etc. And before long, there
are 20 or so messages -- having nothing at all to do with chemtrail
tracking, reporting, theories, etc. And a lot of members lose
interest and if any newbies come into our Group who want to get
knowledgeable on chemtrails, they may be turned off by our "off-
topic" discussion on religion, end of the world, etc. etc.

So, as owner/moderator of this board, I have made it a policy to NOT
allow such off topic messages specifically on these controversial
topics.

Personally, I don't care to read messages on everyone's personal
religious/spiritally beliefs. I don't burden you with mine, and I'd
appreciate you not burdening me with yours.

I don't know how else to say it. If the shoe fits, etc. etc. Please
monitor yourself, so I don't have to.

Thank you.
i_dont_chat

AND

From: "i_dont_chat"
Date: Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:49 am
Subject: Welcome to new members

May I introduce myself, as the founder of this group and the only
moderator.

I ask your cooperation in respecting a few guidelines which have been
effect since this Group started in August 1999.

(1) Our purpose is to record, on our calendar, when we see chemtrails
being sprayed in our area. This is the only record on the Internet
showing where the chemtrails activities are reported by concerned
citizens across the country.

(2) We treat each other with respect.

(3) Debunkers, troublemakers are not allowed to post messages.
Messages which "bait" and "flame" will be deleted.

(4) We try to stay on the topic of chemtrails and other topics which
may be remotely connected to the chemtrail phenon. Notice the
word "remotely."

(5) The moderator reserves the right to delete messages which fall
outside these guidelines.

(6) When replying to messages, please try to "delete" the original
message in your reply. You will notice that Yahoo automatically
duplicates the original message in your reply. Please delete it – or
at least delete most of it – to keep us from having to scroll past
repetitive information.

The buck stops here when it comes to how this Group is moderated. I
do what I can to keep this group focused. It's not a popular job.

After some consideration, I have changed my thoughts on the
usefulness of putting "OT" in the subject line. I don't think it
serves much of a purpose, because at this point only subjects which
are related to chemtrails (and I stress, even REMOTELY related) are
being posted here.

A little history, when this group first started, we didn't have the
experience to know much at all about "who, what, why" regarding
chemtrails. And there was naturally a lot of discussion on a
multitude of topics: ufos, religion, NWO, end of the world, contact
with spirits, crop circles, medical problems, alcoholism, family
divorce and violence, etc. etc. At that time, there were several
other persons, including Lorie, who assisted with the moderating of
the group, and most messages where allowed to be posted. I admit that
I am solely responsible for setting tighter boundaries on the topics
we discuss in this group. So, to net it out, you don't have to put OT
in the subject line. If it is posted, and if you are interested in
the chemtrail phenomenon, you will want to read it.

You realize, of course, that there will be times when messages which
are completely unacceptable WILL GET POSTED. I try to monitor the
Group dozens of times during the day/night, but there will be times
when you encounter messages which need to be deleted and for some
reason, I am not near the computer to do so. Just have patience. You
can always email me and tell me about the Message. More importantly,
please just ignore those which are trying to bait and flame. As soon
as I find them, they will be deleted.

Thanks for being a part of this group and thanks for all of your
contributions. I am privileged to know such a great group of
intelligent, informed, caring, and pro-active folk.

I welcome your email at my yahoo.com email box.

i_dont_chat

AND

From: "i_dont_chat"
Date: Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:35 am
Subject: "Remotely" related to chemtrails

.....more discussion what is related to chemtrails.......

I admit that how I interpret "remotely" is subjective on my part. No
matter who likes it, I reserve the final say in what is related to
chemtrails.

Also, equally as subjective is drawing the line between being
respectful and being rude in one's comments.

We all have our own personalities. I've been called just about
everything you can imagine, and I'm probably not going to change much
as a result. So, I don't expect much change from others.

But the buck stops here and I do reserve the right to interpret the
words "remotely" and "respectful" as I see fit.

The moderator of Groups has a tool which wasn't available under the
old "Clubs" format. At the moderator's descretion, some members'
messages are monitored before posting into the Group. If I feel it is
necessary, I don't hesitate to use this tool.

i_dont_chat


[Edited 1 times, lastly by Ellyn on 09-20-2003]

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halva
Senior Member

Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003

posted 09-20-2003 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for halva   Visit halva's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My postings didn't fall into any of these categories.

One of them was just a response to a request information on how to buy Councillor Al Snow's chemtrails book.

I had to post it three times to get it on.

There was no religion of course, and there were some remarks about Will Thomas and his contribution, which were not intemperate but merely analyses of the problem of putting the anti-chemtrails and anti-war movements in the same box.

They don't seem to want political analysis of any kind at chemtrailtrackingusa.

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Ellyn
Senior Member


1242 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-21-2003 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes they get gliches in their system. You might want to email i_don't_chat at i_dont_chat@yahoo.com and ask her why you posts did not get posted.

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halva
Senior Member

Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003

posted 09-21-2003 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for halva   Visit halva's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll try and see.

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halva
Senior Member

Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003

posted 09-21-2003 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for halva   Visit halva's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was the response I got:

Yes, none of the messages you mentioned are on the subject. (!!!!!!!!!! W.H. They were all on the subject of chemtrails!)

I have stated many, many times that as moderator and founder of this group, I have the right to delete messages which are not related to chemtrail tracking.

Naturally, there will be many messages which are only slightly related to chemtrails, and that is okay. And
I am not 100% perfect in keeing out messages which are completely off topic.

I understand this is not a popular concept with many and you will probably be very upset. I regret that. All I can suggest is that you find a forum to post your messages where the subject matter more closely
meets your interests. Or better yet, start up a forum of your own, where you can set the parameters for message topics.

You must understand that the very large membership of this Group attracts persons who come into the Group simply to post something of their own agenda -- knowing that it will meet a large audience.

(This is the point, I would say. They don't want political analysis, even if it is directly related to chemtrails. W.H.)

I have vowed to the members of CTTUSA that I will not let this board get off focus, and the way this Group has keep centered on chemtrails and chemtrail tracking is by my allowing certain messages, such as yours.

i_dont_chat

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halva
Senior Member

Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003

posted 09-21-2003 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for halva   Visit halva's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dona Tery (i_dont_chat) after some discussion seems to be moderating her position, pleading pressure of family responsibilities, lack of sympathy in real-life milieu, etc.

I really think they do go to the opposite extreme from us here.

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i_dont_chat
New Member

Houston
2 posts, Feb 2002

posted 09-23-2003 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for i_dont_chat   Visit i_dont_chat's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, group.

Don’t you just hate it when you reply to an email and then you find that the person has posted your email on a public message board? But that’s life, I guess.

So, rather than sending an email to Wayne Hall (halva), I’ll respond here.

Although I won’t reprint Wayne’s email to me (as he did), I will repeat that Wayne said he didn’t think he had been “very” disparaging of me. “Very” being the operative word. Well, if not that, I don’t know what his objective was.

I do take exception to his interpretation that I had moderated my position. Heavens forbid, I should moderate! (Those of you who know me, can stop laughing now!) And I certainly was not pleading for anything when I divulged some info about myself.

I regret that I failed in my attempt at a decent, fair and personal communication with Wayne. I promise you guys if you write to me, I’ll never reprint your email in a public forum. I welcome email.

And, thank you, Ellyn, for posting my previous messages from CTTUSA, explaining my position on staying focused on chemtrails within CTTUSA. It was most helpful.

i_dont_chat
Moderator and Founder
Chem Trail Tracking USA, a Yahoo Group

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halva
Senior Member

Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003

posted 09-23-2003 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for halva   Visit halva's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well actually Dona I don't see any difference at all between what Ellyn did in posting private e-mail from you here and what I did in posting private e-mail from you here.

Both of us were investigating the subject of what the moderating policy at chemtrailtrackingusa is.

All of my postings on your forum had been 100% on the topic of chemtrails. Three of them were responses to a request on how to purchase a book, again on chemtrails. There was not the slightest debunking element in any of them.

The minute you gave me a response that showed it was registering with you that I had good grounds for complaint, I stopped posting private e-mail with you.

It is unreasonable of you to expect that because at some point you wake up to the fact that you have been misjudging a situation, you can retrospectively censor the public discussion that has started on other forums.

This is all a storm in a teacup. If you stop blocking perfectly reasonable and non-debunking chemtrail-related postings at chemtrailtrackingusa there will be no complaint and no discussion on other forums about your policy, including posting of private e-mails in an attempt to understand what your criteria are and what you are thinking.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by halva on 09-23-2003]

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i_dont_chat
New Member

Houston
2 posts, Feb 2002

posted 09-23-2003 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for i_dont_chat   Visit i_dont_chat's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wayne, I'll try to explain the difference.

Ellyn posted messages which had already been posted in the CTTUSA Group. These messages were already posted for the public.

You posted an email which I sent to YOU, in response to your email to me. It was not written for the public.

It's done.....I'd like to move on....

Peace
i_dont_chat

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halva
Senior Member

Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003

posted 09-23-2003 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for halva   Visit halva's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ÏÊ, agreed. Let's do so.

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