posted 10-27-2003 06:13 PM            

This follows 2 weeks of heavy chemtrails. Last Wednesday the trails were so heavy the rainbow effects were clearly seen in the clouds.

Please pray for rain. As i watch tv, simi valley and chatsworth, which are on the northeast side of l.a., are close to being overrun with fire.

the l.a. pd and fire departments are fighting an allout war against these fires. The mayor, jim hahn has just had a news conference where he said all of l.a.'s resources are being used.

in the south, san diego is almost helpless. i just heard on kogo radio station that not one tanker has been dropping water since the fire began.

so far 11 are dead in the san diego fire that is so bad that the nfl moved tonight's football game all the way to arizona to escape the smoke.

as san diego burns, without tanker support, two giant super tankers are sitting idle. There appears to be so much red tape to borrow them from the navy, it can't be done.

we need rain.

posted 10-27-2003 09:55 PM            

I will certainly pray for rain in your area.

Help is on its way from Arizona.

Your reference to the two tankers sitting idle got my attention. Have you seen this:

27 October 2003
The San Diego Union-Tribune

Federal regulations impede use of military aircraft to fight fires

WASHINGTON – The request went out Sunday for two military planes from Colorado Springs to help fight wildfires raging through Southern California.

But as of 1 p.m. Monday PST, the two C-130 aircraft – equipped with new, state-of-the-art fire-fighting equipment – had yet to get off the ground.

Because of an arcane provision in federal law, fire authorities first had to contact the owners of 13 commercial air tankers – six of which were being used elsewhere, and the remainder of which were too small for the firefighting job.

Several Western lawmakers, frustrated by a federal law that makes it difficult to use military planes for firefighting, are pushing plans in Congress to change things.

"It just seems like a waste of resources not to be able to tap into the capabilities that the military has," said Sarah Shelden, spokeswoman for Rep. Joel Hefley, R-Colo., who last year could not use two military planes that sat just 20 miles from fires burning in his Colorado district. "When it comes to public safety, we should be able to use all the resources available to us."

There are eight military planes in the country able to carry state-of-the-art firefighting equipment known as Modular Airborne Fire Fighting Systems, which can hold 2,700 gallons of fire retardant. Owned by the National Guard or the Air Force, the planes are in California, Wyoming, Colorado and North Carolina.

Thanks to efforts by local lawmakers – including Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-El Cajon – all eight will eventually help fight the fires that have raged through Southern California.

But before fire agencies could call on the military planes, the Economy Act of 1932 first required them to exhaust the possibilities for using private aircraft. Congress passed the act during the Depression to try to protect civilian jobs.

Hunter ran into frustrations this weekend as he tried to secure two military air tankers from Colorado Springs to help fight wildfires in San Diego. "There's a fairly substantial bureaucracy that works against us when time is of the essence," Hunter said. "The Economy Act complicates things, and it takes a long time."

Though the request for the planes came into Idaho's National Inter-Agency Coordination Center about 8 p.m. Sunday, the planes had not left Colorado as of 1 p.m. Monday PST, said Doug Shinn, assistant manager for the center, which coordinates firefighting efforts for several federal agencies and fields requests to use military planes.

Neal Hitchcock, the center's deputy director for operations, said the planes should have arrived in California about 6 p.m. Monday.

"It takes time just for the ... firefighting systems themselves to be loaded into the aircraft," Hitchcock said. "The military is disrupting its schedule to help us with the emergency. It takes time for them to coordinate and get the flight crews assembled. When we do this, we recognize it's not an instantaneous fix.... it's not (help) that we expect to be here in two hours."

When Gov. Gray Davis' office made a separate request to use the two planes at Point Mugu, fire officials began calling 13 private plane operators on Saturday. By Saturday night, officials at the Southern Operations and Coordination Center for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection concluded that six of them were unavailable and seven were too small to fight the large blazes in Southern California.

It was 10 p.m. Saturday before they could request the military planes. Though the planes were ready to fly by 9 a.m. Sunday, high winds delayed their departure until Monday about 8 a.m, said Larry Benson, the center's fire chief.

"We have to exhaust all private resources before we can formally make the request," Benson said.

A decade ago, Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Thousand Oaks, ran into similar problems when he asked the military for planes to help fight wildfires. But the federal government sat on the request for nearly 24 hours as federal fire agencies complied with the Economy Act.

"He could see the hills of Malibu burning, and here he was standing next to these planes that could have been used," said Tom Pfeifer, communications director for Gallegly.

Gallegly, working with Colorado's Hefley, has a measure that would allow fire authorities to waive the requirement to try civilian planes before calling on military ones. It is now part of a Defense Department authorization bill that has passed the House. The congressmen have asked Hunter, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, to ensure it survives negotiations with the Senate.

But some Senate Republicans are fighting the plan because they believe the government should not interfere in work that private businesses can do.

"There's a lot of opposition to this from senators who've been called by private contractors who don't want to see this happen," said Hunter, who supports the plan.

posted 10-29-2003 07:03 AM            

There's not much point just posting a reply here. It is possible to register there and try to make a bit of a dent in his denial mechanism.

From: "johnsuhr2003"
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:43 pm
Subject: San Diego wildfires

Take it from me as I'm on the scene: there were absolutely no chemtrails and they have nothing whatever to do with the fires.
There was an airshow at Miramar Marine airbase with some of the planes using smoke similar to sky writers as part of their acrobatics for two days - a week back. Perfectly harmless.

The problem is extreme dryness - 6 months with no significant rain - and tinder dry desert chaparral, which is very flammable. Also, many local firefighters had been transferred north to the San Bernadino
fires, and weren't available early Sunday when the fires started.

They have returned and equipment and manpower is now flowing in from Nevada and Arizona, as well as from the federal government.

The problem here now is the smoke, which makes it unpleasant to be outside. Onshore west winds are expected later today, however, which should clear it out. It's been calm since Sunday.

For an active fire map, please see:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/archive/cgb2003301_0700.jpg

It's 1.8MB, but would be worth the wait if you're interested in such things. Also, the topo map of California/Nevada is the best I've seen. Apparently it's updated daily, so you can follow progress of containing the fires.

Fires are common here this time of year; these are just more extensive than usual. Some probably are arson. The Cedar fire
evidently was set by a lost hunter in the mountains to signal his location - an illegal act. Obviously it got well out of hand. Needless to say, he's in major trouble.

There are already complaints that the government botched the early containment of the fires - poor planning and excessive bureaucratic red tape, etc. EDD (electronic direct democracy W.H.) could help relieve those problems.

John Suhr

posted 10-29-2003 09:57 AM            

I would only blame chemtrails in that it's been SO HOT here and dry.. completely rainless. it's middle of october and we've been having 90+ degree days. insanity.

Today is our first break as the forecast is mid 70's. I'll believe it when I feel it. I love CA, this is my native state, but if the weather continues to be in the 90's and 100's until the Winter months, I might have to relocate after 37 years of living here.

posted 11-03-2003 01:31 PM            

Seems to me that public safety is becoming something of no major importance..... we’ve got all kinds of resources and money available for fighting a war.. But heaven help us if we need help in this country.

But before fire agencies could call on the military planes, the Economy Act of 1932 first required them to exhaust the possibilities for using private aircraft. Congress passed the act during the Depression to try to protect civilian jobs.
There's a fairly substantial bureaucracy that works against us when time is of the essence," Hunter said. "The Economy Act complicates things, and it takes a long time."

Okay... this is insane... what the heck have politicians been doing all this time? 1932 ... are they kidding?.... I guess it’s better to just let the whole area go up in smoke rather than change a law that’s been around since the thirty’s.... sheesh.

A decade ago, Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Thousand Oaks, ran into similar problems when he asked the military for planes to help fight wildfires. But the federal government sat on the request for nearly 24 hours as federal fire agencies complied with the Economy Act.

It’s not like this situation hasn’t happened before... what’s it going to take to get some arcane old law changed? I thought the military was supported by the taxpayers... is it too much for taxpayers to expect some help from that same military in times of crisis? Is this the wave of the future? We’ve become so entrenched in bureaucratic red tape and fighting amongst ourselves... what happens if something more serious happens... like a bomb gets dropped on us? What kind of emergency plans will take effect?

Oh I know... the same stand down commands that happened during 911 will be issued by those in charge... yep... don’t send out the fighter jets... they’d rather have destruction and mayhem rather than immediate control of a lethal situation. For what it’s worth ... my opinion of this situation is that this is perhaps just the tip of the ice berg when it comes to resolving serious crisis in this country... if we can’t do any better than this... look out...