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suckingeggs
Senior Member
344 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 12-14-2003 05:56 AM
   
Influenza found in chemtrails
http://www.libertythink.com/2003_12_07_archives.html#107118471657285100 John Stadmiller of the Genesis Radio Network reported on the Saturday, Dec. 6 edition of "Real Talk Radio" that influenza strains have been found in chemtrails sprayed over the Tampa Bay area. The analysis was done by a microbiologist with a phat WTO grant who wishes to remain anonymous, what with all the dead microbiologists and everything. Listen to the report: fluchem.mp3 http://www.libertythink.com/fluchem.mp3 Stadmiller also has pictures of a recent aerosol operation over Austin, Texas on his new, albeit under construcion, website: www.intel123.com See also: Congressman warns flu vaccine causes neurological damage..
http://www.libertythink.com/archives/2003_10_12_archives.html#106632185567087111 Chemtrails + FluMist Vaccine = Disaster & Death
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 12-14-2003 07:46 PM
Wonderful! so now someone has finally labtested a chemtrail, I wonder how that was done and to what method of practicality.
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Jim Phelps
New Member
Knoxville, Tn. USA
16 posts, Dec 2003
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posted 12-16-2003 08:23 AM
Hello Suckingeggs, One should keep in mind that one of the objectives in US national security is population control. The US population is so large now that the biosphere can't handle the load without health impacts. The US national security wants to reduce the population, using methods like these. The biosphere toxic impacts appear as higher rates of cancers, neurological disorders, HIV, and even the flu. The 1918 flu pandemic was highly associated with the levels of coal smoke in large cities. A good book to read that speaks to these emissions problems is called: "When Smoke Ran like Water" by Devra Davis. In the US, many flu vaccines still contain contain mercury, and the emissions from coal fired plants contribute toward even the fishes being highly affected from mercury accumulation. This contributes toward immune system damage and higher vulnerabilty for the flu or recovery from it. In some cases, the flu vaccines with mercury used on aged folks can do more harm toward survival than good. In the case for Florida, this is the US state with the largest aged population and the most vulnerable for impact with a flu epidemic. Keep in mind that Fla. has lots of issues with fluorides from the phosphate mining there and the heat used to cook off the fluorides from the phosphates. These residues often leak and pollute large areas. Some of these leaks are in the news concerning the Erin Brokovich law firm getting involved. Also, keep in mind that seafood rich areas get larger doses of fluorides. The Fla. Gold Coast also has the highest rates of HIV transmission due to these effects. The key to fluoide is that it changes the uptake of the essential trace minerals toward uptake of the more toxic trace metals, ie mercury. This is what is damaging the immune system in humans that sets up the mass vulnerabilty toward flu deaths. Check the following article below on the projections for the flu this winter, but do keep in mind that the prime driver for these flu epidemics is going to be damage to the immune resistance from rising toxic impacts. It is not so much a roll of genetic dice, as it is the roll of toxic dice that damages large population centers. This dice game is also more than fixed/rigged, as the medical and pharmacy business is right in there trying to reep profits, but not telling the real source of the problems, nor better methods of preventions. Expect to see lots of games with the flu this winter, and rising death tolls. Washington likes these effect because it unloads the Social Secuity system, as well. In the US, it is the rise in population that has become the enemy of better health, which is largely the effects from the energy industry, fertilizer and pesticide. Another good article on just how upside down the US public reality is can be found here: http://rense.com/general45/bll.htm This is also about a new book coming out called: "Fluoride: The battle of darkness and light." It is this battle for knowledge that the US Gov. tries to suppress. JP
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=541&ncid=751&
e=1&u=/ap/20031213/ap_on_he_me/flu_the_big_one Scientists Predict Worldwide
Flu Outbreak Coming
By Malcolm Ritter
AP Science Writer
12-13-3 NEW YORK (AP) -- As bad as this year's flu season is, it hasn't brought the
worldwide outbreak known as a pandemic. But experts warn that a pandemic is
coming, it's just a question of when. "It's going to happen," said Dr. Greg
Poland of the Mayo Clinic. "For the American public in particular, I think it will
be horrific."
Many Americans haven't experienced the overwhelming crush of patients at
hospitals and doctors' offices and the widespread fear a flu pandemic could bring.
And by historical pattern, Poland said it's about time for the next one.
There have been three in the past 100 years, igniting in 1918, 1957 and 1968.
There's no way to predict when the next one will appear, but the pattern does
give experts pause.
It's all up to a virus that is variable and fickle, constantly changing its
genetic makeup, and the time when it hits upon a combination that lets it take
off worldwide is a "roll of the genetic dice," said Dr. William Schaffner of
Vanderbilt University.
So the lack of a pandemic in the past 35 years basically means "the genetic
dice haven't been rolled that way," Schaffner said. "While we're grateful for
that, it makes us nervous."
There's plenty to be nervous about. It's estimated that in the industrialized
nations alone, the next pandemic is likely to send 1 million to 2.3 million
people to the hospital and kill 280,000 to 650,000, according to the World
Health Organization. Its impact will probably be greatest in developing countries.
As a practical matter, flu shots probably could not be counted on to prevent
a pandemic. For one thing, pandemic virus strains emerge unexpectedly, and
there would probably not be enough time to recognize the threat and then provide
vaccines that target them, Schaffner said. What's more, many countries outside
the United States wouldn't have the means to give enough flu shots to stop
the spread, Poland said.
Dr. Robert Couch of the Baylor College of Medicine noted that health
authorities are making major efforts to prepare for controlling a pandemic, including
putting an emphasis on developing and manufacturing vaccines faster and in
greater quantities.
The pandemic of 1918-19, known as the Spanish flu, sickened an estimated 20
percent to 40 percent of the worldwide population, with a death toll believed
to exceed 20 million. In the United States alone, some 500,000 people died. An
ordinary flu epidemic kills an average of 36,000 Americans.
The next pandemic, the Asian flu of 1957-58, killed about 70,000 in the
United States, while the 1968-69 Hong Kong flu led to about 34,000 deaths in the
United States.
New strains of the flu virus, and so potential pandemics, get their start in
rural Asia, where the various strains that infect chickens and other birds,
pigs and humans can mingle. That gives them a chance to swap genetic information
as well as mutate on their own.
The potential spark for a pandemic occurs when that environment produces a
new virus that infects people and bears surface proteins that people's bodies
have never seen before. That means people have no natural defense against it.
In contrast, ordinary outbreaks like this year's come from a virus that has
changed only slightly from previous ones, so that the population it enters
still has some natural immunity from encounters with the previous germs.
But the genetic shift alone is not enough to launch a pandemic. In addition,
the new virus must acquire the ability to pass easily from person to person,
either by random genetic change or by picking up genetic material from a
previous human flu virus.
The world has had some close calls in the past few years, says Richard Webby
of St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital in Memphis. In 1997, a bird flu in
Hong Kong jumped to people, killing six. But the virus never developed the
ability to pass easily from person to person, Webby said. Hong Kong authorities
slaughtered 1.4 million chickens to end the threat.
Just this year, authorities became alarmed when a father and son in Hong Kong
were hospitalized because of a bird flu virus, and when flu virus infected
some workers in the Netherlands who had slaughtered infected chickens. The
Netherlands outbreak was contained by anti-flu drugs and fast vaccination, and
slaughter of the poultry, Webby said.
Scientists have been noticing a lot of flu virus in chickens and pigs
globally, and a lot of variety in the strains, which is worrisome, Webby said. It's
impractical to develop vaccines against all the animal strains in case they
jump to humans, and there's no reliable way to identify the most hazardous ones,
he said.
When the next pandemic shows up, experts say, it will find a population with
many more vulnerable people like the elderly, infirm and those with weakened
natural defenses than were living 35 years ago. It will also find a
trimmed-down hospital system with fewer beds to handle a surge of patients. And while
today's anti-flu drugs will probably attack the new strain, that's not yet clear.
Supplies of the drugs and vaccines would be strained.
But still, with the improvements in health care since the last pandemic,
might the next one be less serious?
"I want to believe that," Poland said, "but we won't know until it happens."
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Jim Phelps
New Member
Knoxville, Tn. USA
16 posts, Dec 2003
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posted 12-16-2003 10:52 AM
Hello Suckingeggs, Some additional comment for consideration. The news article on the rise in flu predictions gets into this statement: "Scientists have been noticing a lot of flu virus in chickens and pigs" One must keep in mind that in the US, all the bone meal that were once fed to cows is now vectored into the chickens and pigs. The bone meal feeds for cattle were removed to cut down on the incidence of BSE and other problems in US cattle. The cattle bone meal is very high in fluorides and metals. As these feeds use went into the chicken and pigs, the rates of illnesses rose for these animals. One of the ways this appears is seeing rise in the flu rates in chickens and pigs, and a rise in transmission between these animals and humans. The human populations are also exposed to some of these same toxic effects, from fluoride pesticides, mercury and fluorides from coal, and two dozen other sources. So, the animals are being fed foods that damage their immunity and allow them to become the breeding stock for varied flu viruses, many of which will jump to humans. These are the real cause/effect equations in play that will drive the flu outbreaks this year and down the road. I am sure lots of persons are asking themselves how this can happen. It is real simple, when one considers that in the US science is politicised and controlled by industry. In the US, even the food pyramid is turned upside down due to the industry control of the Fed. Govt. agencies. See the comments from the book called "Fluoride: The Battle of Darkness and Light." In the correct food pyramid, it is the fresh fruits and veggies that are supposed to dominate a healthy diet. It is these uncooked and colloidal trace mineral rich fruits and veggies that is the key to good health and longevity. In like effect, it is these same interests that pervert the uptake of fluorides into the food chain that further upset the immune resistance leading to rise in diseases. It is the connections of national labs, corrupted presidents like the Bushes (41,43), and secrecy used in national security that allows these extremes of explotation that we see today. This exploitation is the root of why the national security system covers up the chemtrails and how they are being used. JP
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Jim Phelps
New Member
Knoxville, Tn. USA
16 posts, Dec 2003
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posted 12-21-2003 07:46 PM
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2310608 Flu now officially an epidemic
Newsday
EARLY PEAK In Houston, the flu season arrived early, peaking at the end of October: · Texas Children's Hospital then reported 130 cases of influenza, confirmed by laboratory testing, per week. · The current case load is less than 10 percent of that.
The nationwide sweep of influenza has now been classified by federal health officials as an epidemic in the wake of 42 youngsters' deaths and 36 states reporting widespread flu. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is urging people not to overwhelm emergency rooms because most influenza infections can be successfully dealt with at home. CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding, who long avoided using the "e" word, Friday called the nationwide influenza outbreak a bona fide epidemic. "From a practical perspective, given the number of people affected, it's fair to characterize it as an epidemic," Gerberding said. Deaths among youngsters helped influence the government decision to classify the outbreak that way. Calling the 42 deaths sobering and worrisome, Gerberding said mathematical models suggest that in the 1990s, 92 children under age 5 probably died of influenza annually. Gerberding added that it is still too early to tell how the next few months will play out. Flu season usually peaks in January and runs through March. The majority of cases reported nationwide have been attributed to A-Fujian, a more severe strain described as an H3N2, a reference to the infectious protein coat encasing viral genes. Influenza can become deadly in adults and children who have other medical conditions.
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Molliani
Senior Member
Illinois
422 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 12-22-2003 01:21 AM
What's next? Will phony John sell blueprints for digging your own spider hole complete with an air filtration system? How about a special senior citizen discount - and a lock box to store precious gold collector coins - a real deal on some left over Y2K food stuff would be nice too. The list is endless and the GRN will gladly come to the re$cue.Originally posted by suckingeggs: [John Stadmiller of the Genesis Radio Network reported on the Saturday, Dec. 6 edition of "Real Talk Radio" that influenza strains have been found in chemtrails sprayed over the Tampa Bay area. The analysis was done by a microbiologist with a phat WTO grant who wishes to remain anonymous, what with all the dead microbiologists and everything. ] The anonymous microbiologist - with a
phat WTO grant - now how anonymous is that?
Gee, some people are willing to believe anything.
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Yaak
Senior Member
Terlingua, Texas, USA
45 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 12-23-2003 12:55 PM
Influenza, which is a virus, needs a host to survive. Releasing virus from a low flying crop-duster probably wouldn't even be effective.John Stadmiller and the rest of the Genesis Radio Network are living proof that freedom of speech in America is alive and well. They are bottom feeders that thrive off from our fears. They even go so far as to create those fears. Sadly, some of what they claim is true. Now, how do we go about separating the truth from their lies and exaggerations? They are disinfo agents for the very globalists that they try to frighten us about. Don't buy any of their useless snake oils or shoddy, Chinese made survival rubbish.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-05-2004 08:04 PM
Shouldn't You be over at MAVERICK's DEBUNKATORIUM Yaak?By the way...Stadmiller has more Integrity than anyone at Maverick's will EVER hope to have. Fears? Hell if you aren't concerned about GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION you need to do some searching. The only "BOTTOM FEEDERS" are the likes of FOX, CNN, ABC, NBC..andd all the other CONTROLLED, HIGHLY REGULATED Media. But hey..believe what you want.
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Yaak
Senior Member
Terlingua, Texas, USA
45 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 01-23-2004 11:54 AM
Quote by Mech:
"Shouldn't You be over at MAVERICK's DEBUNKATORIUM Yaak?"
Why would you ask that? Have you read any of my posts there? Nah, I didn't think so. Have you read my posts at Carnicom's? I find the company and the level of humor at Maverick's far superior to anywhere else I've posted. I can get along with just about anybody except people that hate. It isn't us against them. People fill a broad spectrum and you reside at one end of that spectrum labeled hate. Love is the answer to all of the problems discussed on all of the message boards.As far as Genesis Broadcasting vs. mainstream media, they are both extremes, opposite ones. The truth, no doubt, lies somewhere near the middle.
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swamp gas
Persuader of air molecules
Jersey City
1881 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-23-2004 01:48 PM
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Influenza, which is a virus, needs a host to survive. Releasing virus from a low flying crop-duster probably wouldn't even be effective.
Guess you never heard of blood cells or agar seaweed?
I thought debunkers were not supposed to post in the chemtrails section.
Maverick's is the most hate filled, hen-cackling forum I have ever seen. Mech, swampgas, halva, chem11, and others are the targets over there, and if we weren't discussed, the topic of conversation would be Lulu's supposed porn download, Cy's underwear and Parrot, and 'Debunker Wars', between Maverick and 'Lord' Seeker. Oh, almost forgot. Quote by Yaak at Mav's
quote:
Just cuz I don't like Alex Jones, and think that those white lines left in the sky by jet aircraft engines are contrails I'm automatically a Level 2. Doesn't the fact that I hardly ever say anything nice about anybody here count for anything? Maybe they knew I didn't really mean it.
http://pub31.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessage?topicID=2258.top ic Quote by Yaak at Carnicom quote:
Familiar pictures...
Frequency and intensity increasing...
Solar panels for sale...I am willing to bet that when I go outside tomorrow morning, the air will reak of metal and chemicals.
http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=7660.topic
Come on, Yaak, you can't play both sides. I know you're not a dummy (you made Level 2), so what's up?
[Edited 6 times, lastly by swamp gas on 01-23-2004]
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Molliani
Senior Member
Illinois
422 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 01-24-2004 12:10 AM
[QUOTE] Originally posted by Yaak:[As far as Genesis Broadcasting vs. mainstream media, they are both extremes, opposite ones. The truth, no doubt, lies somewhere near the middle.] Yaak
I remember when Genesis replaced Chris Gerner with Alex Jones. It was all about the money they felt Alex would bring
to the station. Alex was very abrasive and quick to hang up on people calling in. Just the opposite of the mild mannered likable Chris Gerner. They've come a long way in refining their product (Alex). Genesis offers a little dose of truth along with a big dose of fear. It works for them and they're making money. With age comes wisdom ? Maybe.
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mark sky
bin Rydin
SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-24-2004 02:19 AM
buRp
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Molliani
Senior Member
Illinois
422 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 01-24-2004 12:33 PM
[QUOTE]
Originally posted by mark sky: [buRp] I see you still have a sense of humor mark sky .. btw .. you're eXcuSed. Just
buRpin back at you.
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Yaak
Senior Member
Terlingua, Texas, USA
45 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 01-24-2004 12:34 PM
swamp gas,Quote:
"Guess you never heard of blood cells or agar seaweed?" The concept of intentionally releasing anything to harm people from altitudes of 20,000-40,000 feet ASL is so absurd that it doesn't warrant discussion.
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"I thought debunkers were not supposed to post in the chemtrails section." Does this comment imply that I am now considered a debunker?
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"Maverick's is the most hate filled, hen-cackling forum I have ever seen." That's your opinion. Are you guilty of any less? I've seen your derogatory comments on other message boards. People that make public statements (and then try to sell me something) such as "Influenza found in chemtrails" should be ridiculed. Furthermore, no one besides me picks my friends or tells who I may or may not associate with. If you are going to judge me by where I post rather than what I post, then I have no further interest in your comments regarding me.
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"Come on, Yaak, you can't play both sides. I know you're not a dummy (you made Level 2), so what's up?" That is a valid question, and thank you for asking. It provides me with an opportunity to try to explain where I stand. Actually, sit would be a better word. I find myself sitting on the fence leaning south one day, and north the next. I believe that our governments, from the city’s to the White House, are completely corrupted by those that populate them. They lie, steal and conduct themselves in secret. Do I believe that these people would attempt to carry out a secret program, for their own personal gains, that included spraying Earth's atmosphere with chemicals from jet aircraft? Definitely. Not only that, but I suspect that they are. I cannot figure out where else the strong metallic odor that I occasionally smell, when I'm hundreds of miles from any major pollution source, could come from. On the other hand, when I look at the millions of miles of persistent contrails laid in the sky by commercial, private and military aircraft, I find it impossible to believe that they are anything but contrails. Their persistence and cloud forming characteristics are, no doubt, the results of what is really happening. I argue that persistent contrails did not all-of-a-sudden appear in the sky in the late 1990’s. Their appearance and cloud forming tendencies has been a longer, gradual process. Please see my post at Carnicom’s: http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=7655.topic
This would point a finger at pollution such as increased sulfates in jet fuel. My main concerns are air pollution and the effects aviation clouds are having on the weather. I would like to see the chemtrail hysteria brought under control and those energies focused on finding out what is really happening to Earth's atmosphere. For their efforts in doing exactly that, I thank Deborah and Sorethroat. NASA photos show us that our atmosphere is quickly beginning to resemble Venus’s. If you find yourselves being poked fun at, try to remember that that is precisely what it is: fun.
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swamp gas
Persuader of air molecules
Jersey City
1881 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-25-2004 01:06 PM
Yaak,It seems that if you can't explain something, you and your debunker buddies will pass it off as "No discussion". Yet, you want all kinds of explanations on why do we believe chemtrails exist. You are the Ridicucon to think that agar seaweed or blood cells could not survive a 30,000 foot drop. I would imagine you have never grown cultures on an agar medium to see how viruses, mold, and other living organism just love it. Ever here of oil-eating bacteria dropped from planes? If agar was combined with viruses beforehand, the synthesis and feeding would continue in the cold temperatures from a high altitude drop. Guess you never heard of the Army experiments in 1950 on San Francisco, dropping germs from a high altitude. http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=547 I see that you never address any proof anyone gives you on any subject matter you can't explain. You say you don't take sides. You are full of crap! You are a debunker, like so many others, and I have the feeling "Dunk the Bunk" could be coming soon. this way, you could go back to your cyber-buddies at Mav's and Seeker's and say how against "Freedom of Spitting" we all are.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by swamp gas on 01-25-2004]
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Yaak
Senior Member
Terlingua, Texas, USA
45 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 01-26-2004 04:58 PM
Quote: "You are the Ridicucon to think that agar seaweed or blood cells could not survive a 30,000 foot drop."I don't think that. I think it would be ridiculous to drop them from that altitude.
------------- Quote: "Ever here of oil-eating bacteria dropped from planes?" Yes, and once again, they are not released at 30,000 feet.
------------- Quote: "Guess you never heard of the Army experiments in 1950 on San Francisco, dropping germs from a high altitude. http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=547 " Yes I have. High altitude? How high? I believe I read several hundred feet.
------------- Do you still believe John Stadtmiller, Alex Jones and the rest of the Genesis team? Have a look at this: The Alex Jones Affair
A Christian Family Betrayed
http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/jones.html
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