posted 01-29-2004 05:18 PM
THIS COMPANY MAKES THE CHEM MATERIAL!!!
I am a newbie to the site, but have been researching the spraying for quite some time. We are all more than a little frustrated at the lack of mainstream information on this, but nonetheless every now and then some useful tidbits float to the surface of the media cesspool.
I know a main topic of all your concerns is WHAT the heck is this crap they are spraying and WHERE does it come from?! Up until now the only way anyone has been able to analyze the "gunk" is by collecting it as it falls, never knowing the origin. It appears to be a type of polymer with heavy metals and other compounds added. Well, I have major information for everyone here, and I am hoping some of you may have similar information to share.
- One of the manufacturers of the "Chem" polymer material is AVERY DENNISON Corporation in MILL HALL, PENNSYLVANIA.
the plant is located at:
171 Draketown Road Mill Hall, PA
In April of 2003, Avery had a chemical "spill" at their Mill Hall plant which manufactures "Emulsion Polymers". This spill was covered on local television, (WNEP TV, WBRE TV, WYOU TV in Central and
Northeast Pennsylvania) and appeared to be a minor story. The news program clearly showed "COBWEBS" of sticky GLUE LIKE clear polymer clinging to trees in the area. The plant is roughly a mile away from a local school, Central Mountain Middle School, which had to be evacuated due to the spill. Over 100 Students were sent to local hospitals for SEVERE RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS, skin irritations and flu like symtoms caused by the "glue".
And I quote:
"The incident was caused by a sudden increase in temperature and subsequent buildup of pressure in a batch reactor. The increased pressure activated the reactor's safety venting system and resulted in a discharge of acrylic polymer adhesive to the atmosphere. The sticky material landed on 550 vehicles, 225 buildings and 250 people, including students from nearby Central Mountain Middle School."
...Does this sound like a normal spill? Does this even sound like normal glue? This material (known as POLYVINYL ESTER POLYMER) was SPRAYED into the atmosphere and diffused over a mile away and landed in trees, on cars and houses as a cobweb like substance which caused severe health problems for anyone who came in contact with it. Sound Familiar???
The funny thing about this so-called "spill" is that if you take the school address and the Avery Dennison address (171 Draketown Road Mill Hall, PA) and punch them into the Yahoo maps driving direction search (and I hope you do)... you will see that it is ONE AND A HALF MILES AWAY. For any "glue" to have reached the whole town and School, it had to have been sprayed out of the tank (accidentally or on purpose), and CARRIED BY THE WIND over a mile and a half, a'la chemtrails. I dont know of any normal adhesives that would do that, frankly. The school is down-wind from the plant. Nice, eh?
...Avery Dennison was fined by the Dept of Envoronmental Protection for the spill, and information can still be found here:
...The original news stories are here:
http://www.macon.com/mld/dailytimes/2003/04/27/news/5723276.htm http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/5717304.htm http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/5717304.htm
Qquote: "The children had breathing problems and complained of skin and eye irritation"
.. Yahoo DID carry the story, but its long gone. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20030425/aponreus/brfgluecloud2
Qquote: "There are big, gooey strings hanging all over," Bruce Smith at RM Gas and Oil told The Express of Lock Haven. "It looks like spider webs. Clear, sticky, no color to it."
Here's something we all can all do, call the school that had to send their kids to the hospital for respiratory problems. The date was April 25, 2003, just call them and ask what happened:
Central Mountain Middle School
200 Ben Ave Mill Hall, PA
Or, call the hosptal they sent them to:
Lock Haven Hospital
24 Cree Dr Lock Haven, PA
...The hospital is two miles away give or take. Ask them what the material was, and why it was poisonous to the respiratory system. :-)
I am sure the local papers carried this story, so please give them a call and see:
(Lock, Haven ,Pa)
9-11 West Main Street
Lock Haven, PA 17745
252 West Fourth Street
Williamsport, PA 17701-0728
1.800.339.0289 (PA Only)
Business Office: 570.322.2532 http://www.sungazette.com/index.asp
If you search for this news article, or anything on Avery on Google, you won't find much, if anything. Use another search engine, and you will get quite a few hits.
This is the information I have on hand, and draw what conclusions you will. Take a look at the website for Avery I have listed above. Notice the company logo. Its a triangle, Pyramid, trilaterlal, etc etc... and I am sure many of you will know the significance of this. Avery is a front. They make "office supplies", and a whole lot more... Anyone who is willing to do the footwork and research can find out quite easily that the plant is near major military airfields and underground facilities. There are two buildings on the plant site that have major security checkpoints, more than you would ever suspect for a plant that "only makes bandaid adhesive and ketchup labels". The area is patrolled regularly by Humvees and Blackhawks with listening booms, and for all intents and purposes, its the perfect little military industrialist town.
I sincerely hope this information can be of help to any of you. I think we need to start looking for the "camouflauged" corporations right under our noses that make this stuff, and I am sure there are more. If a chemist were to look at the so-called "Emulsion Polymers" they sell, I am sure they would find they closely resemble the chemtrail material, perhaps minus some of the additives.
Sorry for the placement of this post, I am new and cant as yet post a new topic.
(p.s.- I posted this information to another well known Chemtrail site a few days ago, and have had major computer problems since then. (I am having trouble posting now in fact.) The forum moderator on the other site, who had never had problems with posting before, had their posts deleted and whatnot. Others I know who go to the Avery Dennison site from a known chemtrail site have their comps go haywire, so be warned, especially if you run any Avery label maker software. This is FOR REAL.)
(...am not authorized post a reply to Chem forum yet.)
To everyone else:
You are absolutely right, Halva, and thank you for posting this information on the other forum. I find it very interesting that since the moment I posted this I have been getting flamed (not the information I posted mind you, but myself personally). I am not in the least bit interested in having a flame war with Mech, Chem 11, or anyone else for that matter. If they or anyone else wants to call me a lying bastard, debunker, an agent for the Iluminati or whatever is "in" on these forums, so be it.
BUT, and this is a big but. I provided links to known, reputable news and governement sites that can be verified. I also provided specualtion on the spraying, that if you truly do your homework, you will find was very unusual for any "band aid glue". As of yet no one has commented on the important points:
- The "band aid glue" sent people to the hospital with the same symptoms as known spraying victims.
- The "band aid glue", when sprayed, diffused over a mile away into cobwebs on the trees.
- The "band aid glue" was a specialized polymer, which is NOT used in glue (look it up)
- Last time I checked, there was a "polymer" base to the chemtrail "webs" that people find everywhere...
So what is bullshit? So far the only arguments to what I have posted were on the helicopter and overall military influence in the area. Ok, honestly, I can understand that. If you have never lived on or near a military base you wouldnt know what it's like to have a convoy of Humvees drive down the road, or helicopters overhead. But for those of you who have, its a common thing. All it shows is that there is military in the area, and thats all I was attempting to show. How do I know? I live within 30 minutes of the place. And yes, there are military depots all over this part of PA. Its a central "hub" between bases in Pittsburgh, Ravens Rock, Tobyhanna, and Willow Grove. (look them up if you dont believe me)
Truth be told, I am just a guy who saw this on the news months ago and has only recently become interested in the Chemtrails to post anything on it. (And even then, only after hearing about said polymer base to the webs you all have been finding... it was a "hey, I have seen those before" reaction.) Believe me, I never thought I'd get the reaction I am. It only goes to show me I hit a nerve, and that what I said was important enough to take any means necessary to discredit. And the story isnt even my own!
So go ahead, bad mouth me all you want. Afterall, I picked a cartoon as my icon, I must be a fool. That WAS Chem11's reasoning, right? The funny thing is that I never recieved a private email telling me to go to hell, it has all been conveniently public and off topic.
You cant discredit a leak of information in private.
Just remember, for the handful of you who decided to comment on this, there are dozens more who have seen it. Thats what matters. Draw your own conclusions, and if you think I am just some crank, then ignore everything I said, its as simple as that.
But if you are reading this and the whole affair is pretty bizarre, just remember:
- Someone makes the polymer base to the chem, doesnt it make sense that it would be one of the country's largest experimental polymer producers?
- People DID get sick from this, in the same way we are all getting "flu" symptoms and strange skin problems from the chem.
- This never said anything about chemtrails not existing, only that a private company may be providing them with material. We all realize that MILITARY SUPPLIES ARE ALL MADE BY PRIVATE COMPANIES??? RIGHT???
So thats all I have to say. Mech, Chem 11, if any of us were as closed minded as you, then we would never be looking up in the first place. Show-Me-Truth is looking at all sides of this, and that is the perfect attitude. Dont believe me, you dont know me from Adam, but PLEASE look into the links I provided and draw your own conclusions!
Thanks everyone. And Halva, if you want to post this reply on the other forum, by all means do so.
OH, and an interesting aside... Avery Dennison and the US Air Force were joint sponsors of a symposium in Utah in 2003... on what topic?... EXPERIMENTAL POLYMERS. http://www.che.utah.edu/news/7606624Boyd_Booklet-050103.doc
This site lists a US Military patent from 1974 for "Light Scattering Pigment Powder for Maximum Radiation Scattering". It describes a lightweight radiation scattering powder that can be sprayed from a diffuser in an aircraft:
http://www.skyhighway.com/~chemtrails911/docs/patents.html ~and at Rense~
Well, Avery Dennison has them too. They are specialized "pearlescent pigments"with both light and electromagnetic reflecting capabilities. (HAARP) It is used in materials they produce for:
"The conductive primer layer can also be formulated as a resistive layer,
making it suitable for electromagnetic interference (EMI) and radio
frequency (RF) shielding in data and telecommunications components."
From Advanced Materials & Processes; May2003, Vol. 161 Issue 5, p8,
This IS HAARP, guys. They have material that can be diffused into the air in a polymer that reflects EM radiation, and they just happen to be the leading producers of both.
The materials they use and produce are listed here:
"Fasson Europe"? Oh yeah, Avery Dennison owns companies all over the world.
They are not simply "ketchup label makers" from Pennsylvania, they had 3.9 Billion in sales last year and are "The global leader in all things adhesive". They, and their sub companies clearly make materials for the government and public all over the world.
...and yet another update:
It seems Avery(Dennison)Worldwide has links to Halliburton, COMSAT Laboratories, Phillips petroleum and more. Lawrence Eagleburger, former Secretary of State under Bush Sr. and now board member of Halliburton was once CEO of an Avery subsidiary. This subsidiary, Stimsonite, manufactures EMF and radar reflective materials. Again, sound familiar?
"Landmark Graphics Corporation, a wholly owned business unit of Halliburton (NYSE: HAL), announced today the signing of agreements between Geology and Subsoil Protection Committee of the Ministry of Energy and Mineral Resources of Kazakhstan Republic and numerous oil companies that operate in the region for entry into the Kazakhstan National Data Bank. The companies who signed agreements are the following: Agip KCO, Avery Worldwide Ltd (Yukos, Kazakhstan), CNPC Aktobemunaigas, First International Oil Company, Karachaganak Petroleum Operating (KIO), Kazgermunai, Kazmunaigaz, PetroKazakhstan Kumkol Resources and Petrom. Landmark Graphics together with Kazakh Oil and Gas Institute were chosen as the National Data Bank operators for oil and gas projects of Kazakhstan earlier this year." http://www.halliburton.com/news/archive/2003/lgcnws_101303.jsp
...now, whatever in the world would a "ketchup label maufacturer" have to do with big oil in Kazakhstan?...
To Show-Me truth:
To answer your question, honestly, I believe the Avery spill itself was an accident. I dont believe they did anything on purpose, but by some mishap this happened and made a big deal in the area.
I DO believe it was a tank of the same polymer used in the chem material plus or minus the particle additives. Here's the part that I think everyone is upset about... what I personally think is that they are not spraying just one material into the atmosphere. Think about it, they can do so many things with this technology that they must be like a kid in a candy store. HAARP can control weather patterns as well as human brainwaves/emotion, etc... two very different things. They can spray to introduce pathogens as well as "weed out the population" in any number of ways. So is this for ONE purpose? I highly doubt it. They might spray one thing on one day and another thing the week after and we would NEVER know.
They can introduce any number of materials into this polymer for whatever purpose they wish. Avery itself may be introducing the light and ELF reflective particles (which are made of aluminum, by the way) into it, but it may also be done off site.
So this, I do not know. But I will explain why I believe this IS the polymer used as a base in (at least some)chemtrails. I used to work with glue for a living, I was a printer in a large graphics shop for quite some time. Honestly, your example of glue drying is a valid one, but if you look deeper you will see this material was NOT normal adhesive glue. It was much too "light", and when it diffused it didnt dry out at all. The webs hanging off of everything were not like anything I have seen except in photos of the "chemtrail webs" popping up. You can't spray normal glues, and definately not over the distances described. I have been looking into this a lot in the past few days, and honestly, I can find no reference to "polyvinyl ester polymer" in any glues used commercially. Also, we cant forget the thing that tipped me off the most... these people were getting the same symptoms as chem-sprayed victims. I can tell you honestly that normal adhesives dont cause these symptoms. Could they have been using some experimental super glue no one has ever heard of? Sure, but that definately does not fit with their cover story of what was in those tanks.
Honestly, this is just some of my reasoning. The rest has to do with personal experience of being in the area, the whole "military" thing and personal anecdotal evidence. I'm not even going to go into that here, I already said what I needed to in the first post and you all saw what happened. But I tried hinting rather strongly over and over to check this place out yourselves, and for good reason. This goes for people who actually have the resources to do the research, not "joe blow" who looks up and gets pissed at what he sees. (ie: me) I can go and take pics of certain things, yes, and I plan to, but will they ever sway the naysayers. Nope. So for now, just keep it in the back of your minds that the chemtrail material is produced SOMEWHERE, by some company, and that not every private company you see pulling in 3.9 billion a year is so "cut and dry". There are many layers to this Chemtrail "thing", I just wanted to open up a new line of investigation for those who are interested...
...I personally believe these sprayings are not totally military, that they hide behind a corporate logo as so many black projects do, and that to find the answers, we should follow the money...
..I also believe that theres not really a damned thing any of us could do about them, that our only choice is to find out how to not breathe this crap, block EMF, and how to live with weird weather. Its a personal empowerment thing. To do that, we need to know what the material is. We think we have power to stop "the agenda", but has anything ever really changed after someone exposes a conspiracy? Only for the exposer, not the exposed!...
...and the Halliburton thing, well I still wonder what a label maker has to do with oil pipelines in Kazakhstan, like I said, many layers....
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