posted 01-29-2004 05:18 PM            

Hey everyone,

I am a newbie to the site, but have been researching the spraying for quite some time. We are all more than a little frustrated at the lack of mainstream information on this, but nonetheless every now and then some useful tidbits float to the surface of the media cesspool.
I know a main topic of all your concerns is WHAT the heck is this crap they are spraying and WHERE does it come from?! Up until now the only way anyone has been able to analyze the "gunk" is by collecting it as it falls, never knowing the origin. It appears to be a type of polymer with heavy metals and other compounds added. Well, I have major information for everyone here, and I am hoping some of you may have similar information to share.

- One of the manufacturers of the "Chem" polymer material is AVERY DENNISON Corporation in MILL HALL, PENNSYLVANIA.
http://www.performancepolymers.averydennison.com/perfpoly/perfpolysite.nsf/PG /L3B2C2?OpenDocument

the plant is located at:
171 Draketown Road Mill Hall, PA

In April of 2003, Avery had a chemical "spill" at their Mill Hall plant which manufactures "Emulsion Polymers". This spill was covered on local television, (WNEP TV, WBRE TV, WYOU TV in Central and
Northeast Pennsylvania) and appeared to be a minor story. The news program clearly showed "COBWEBS" of sticky GLUE LIKE clear polymer clinging to trees in the area. The plant is roughly a mile away from a local school, Central Mountain Middle School, which had to be evacuated due to the spill. Over 100 Students were sent to local hospitals for SEVERE RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS, skin irritations and flu like symtoms caused by the "glue".

And I quote:
"The incident was caused by a sudden increase in temperature and subsequent buildup of pressure in a batch reactor. The increased pressure activated the reactor's safety venting system and resulted in a discharge of acrylic polymer adhesive to the atmosphere. The sticky material landed on 550 vehicles, 225 buildings and 250 people, including students from nearby Central Mountain Middle School."

...Does this sound like a normal spill? Does this even sound like normal glue? This material (known as POLYVINYL ESTER POLYMER) was SPRAYED into the atmosphere and diffused over a mile away and landed in trees, on cars and houses as a cobweb like substance which caused severe health problems for anyone who came in contact with it. Sound Familiar???

The funny thing about this so-called "spill" is that if you take the school address and the Avery Dennison address (171 Draketown Road Mill Hall, PA) and punch them into the Yahoo maps driving direction search (and I hope you do)... you will see that it is ONE AND A HALF MILES AWAY. For any "glue" to have reached the whole town and School, it had to have been sprayed out of the tank (accidentally or on purpose), and CARRIED BY THE WIND over a mile and a half, a'la chemtrails. I dont know of any normal adhesives that would do that, frankly. The school is down-wind from the plant. Nice, eh?

...Avery Dennison was fined by the Dept of Envoronmental Protection for the spill, and information can still be found here:
http://www.chemsafety.gov/completed_investigations/info.cfm?ID=37 http://enviro2.blr.com/display.cfm/id/352

...The original news stories are here:
http://www.macon.com/mld/dailytimes/2003/04/27/news/5723276.htm http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/5717304.htm http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/5717304.htm
http://www.wjactv.com/news/2160666/detail.html
Qquote: "The children had breathing problems and complained of skin and eye irritation"

.. Yahoo DID carry the story, but its long gone. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20030425/aponreus/brfgluecloud2
http://www.macon.com/mld/sunnews/2003/04/26/news/nation/5722216.htm
Qquote: "There are big, gooey strings hanging all over," Bruce Smith at RM Gas and Oil told The Express of Lock Haven. "It looks like spider webs. Clear, sticky, no color to it."

Here's something we all can all do, call the school that had to send their kids to the hospital for respiratory problems. The date was April 25, 2003, just call them and ask what happened:

Central Mountain Middle School
200 Ben Ave Mill Hall, PA
(570) 726-3141

Or, call the hosptal they sent them to:

Lock Haven Hospital
24 Cree Dr Lock Haven, PA
(570) 893-5000

...The hospital is two miles away give or take. Ask them what the material was, and why it was poisonous to the respiratory system. :-)

I am sure the local papers carried this story, so please give them a call and see:

(Lock, Haven ,Pa)
The Express
9-11 West Main Street
Lock Haven, PA 17745
http://www.lockhaven.com

(Williamsport, Pa)
Sun-Gazette
252 West Fourth Street
Williamsport, PA 17701-0728
Main Number:
570.326.1551 or
1.800.339.0289 (PA Only)
Fax Numbers:
Advertising: 570.323.0948
Newsroom: 570.326.0314
Business Office: 570.322.2532 http://www.sungazette.com/index.asp

If you search for this news article, or anything on Avery on Google, you won't find much, if anything. Use another search engine, and you will get quite a few hits.

This is the information I have on hand, and draw what conclusions you will. Take a look at the website for Avery I have listed above. Notice the company logo. Its a triangle, Pyramid, trilaterlal, etc etc... and I am sure many of you will know the significance of this. Avery is a front. They make "office supplies", and a whole lot more... Anyone who is willing to do the footwork and research can find out quite easily that the plant is near major military airfields and underground facilities. There are two buildings on the plant site that have major security checkpoints, more than you would ever suspect for a plant that "only makes bandaid adhesive and ketchup labels". The area is patrolled regularly by Humvees and Blackhawks with listening booms, and for all intents and purposes, its the perfect little military industrialist town.

I sincerely hope this information can be of help to any of you. I think we need to start looking for the "camouflauged" corporations right under our noses that make this stuff, and I am sure there are more. If a chemist were to look at the so-called "Emulsion Polymers" they sell, I am sure they would find they closely resemble the chemtrail material, perhaps minus some of the additives.

Sorry for the placement of this post, I am new and cant as yet post a new topic.

yours,
Eric

(p.s.- I posted this information to another well known Chemtrail site a few days ago, and have had major computer problems since then. (I am having trouble posting now in fact.) The forum moderator on the other site, who had never had problems with posting before, had their posts deleted and whatnot. Others I know who go to the Avery Dennison site from a known chemtrail site have their comps go haywire, so be warned, especially if you run any Avery label maker software. This is FOR REAL.)

MY REPLY:
(...am not authorized post a reply to Chem forum yet.)

To everyone else:

You are absolutely right, Halva, and thank you for posting this information on the other forum. I find it very interesting that since the moment I posted this I have been getting flamed (not the information I posted mind you, but myself personally). I am not in the least bit interested in having a flame war with Mech, Chem 11, or anyone else for that matter. If they or anyone else wants to call me a lying bastard, debunker, an agent for the Iluminati or whatever is "in" on these forums, so be it.

BUT, and this is a big but. I provided links to known, reputable news and governement sites that can be verified. I also provided specualtion on the spraying, that if you truly do your homework, you will find was very unusual for any "band aid glue". As of yet no one has commented on the important points:

- The "band aid glue" sent people to the hospital with the same symptoms as known spraying victims.

- The "band aid glue", when sprayed, diffused over a mile away into cobwebs on the trees.

- The "band aid glue" was a specialized polymer, which is NOT used in glue (look it up)

- Last time I checked, there was a "polymer" base to the chemtrail "webs" that people find everywhere...

So what is bullshit? So far the only arguments to what I have posted were on the helicopter and overall military influence in the area. Ok, honestly, I can understand that. If you have never lived on or near a military base you wouldnt know what it's like to have a convoy of Humvees drive down the road, or helicopters overhead. But for those of you who have, its a common thing. All it shows is that there is military in the area, and thats all I was attempting to show. How do I know? I live within 30 minutes of the place. And yes, there are military depots all over this part of PA. Its a central "hub" between bases in Pittsburgh, Ravens Rock, Tobyhanna, and Willow Grove. (look them up if you dont believe me)

Truth be told, I am just a guy who saw this on the news months ago and has only recently become interested in the Chemtrails to post anything on it. (And even then, only after hearing about said polymer base to the webs you all have been finding... it was a "hey, I have seen those before" reaction.) Believe me, I never thought I'd get the reaction I am. It only goes to show me I hit a nerve, and that what I said was important enough to take any means necessary to discredit. And the story isnt even my own!

So go ahead, bad mouth me all you want. Afterall, I picked a cartoon as my icon, I must be a fool. That WAS Chem11's reasoning, right? The funny thing is that I never recieved a private email telling me to go to hell, it has all been conveniently public and off topic.

You cant discredit a leak of information in private.

Just remember, for the handful of you who decided to comment on this, there are dozens more who have seen it. Thats what matters. Draw your own conclusions, and if you think I am just some crank, then ignore everything I said, its as simple as that.

But if you are reading this and the whole affair is pretty bizarre, just remember:

- Someone makes the polymer base to the chem, doesnt it make sense that it would be one of the country's largest experimental polymer producers?

- People DID get sick from this, in the same way we are all getting "flu" symptoms and strange skin problems from the chem.

- This never said anything about chemtrails not existing, only that a private company may be providing them with material. We all realize that MILITARY SUPPLIES ARE ALL MADE BY PRIVATE COMPANIES??? RIGHT???

So thats all I have to say. Mech, Chem 11, if any of us were as closed minded as you, then we would never be looking up in the first place. Show-Me-Truth is looking at all sides of this, and that is the perfect attitude. Dont believe me, you dont know me from Adam, but PLEASE look into the links I provided and draw your own conclusions!

Thanks everyone. And Halva, if you want to post this reply on the other forum, by all means do so.

OH, and an interesting aside... Avery Dennison and the US Air Force were joint sponsors of a symposium in Utah in 2003... on what topic?... EXPERIMENTAL POLYMERS. http://www.che.utah.edu/news/7606624Boyd_Booklet-050103.doc

Another Update:

This site lists a US Military patent from 1974 for "Light Scattering Pigment Powder for Maximum Radiation Scattering". It describes a lightweight radiation scattering powder that can be sprayed from a diffuser in an aircraft:
http://www.skyhighway.com/~chemtrails911/docs/patents.html ~and at Rense~
http://www.rense.com/general2/pat.htm

Well, Avery Dennison has them too. They are specialized "pearlescent pigments"with both light and electromagnetic reflecting capabilities. (HAARP) It is used in materials they produce for:
"The conductive primer layer can also be formulated as a resistive layer,
making it suitable for electromagnetic interference (EMI) and radio
frequency (RF) shielding in data and telecommunications components."

From Advanced Materials & Processes; May2003, Vol. 161 Issue 5, p8,
4p

This IS HAARP, guys. They have material that can be diffused into the air in a polymer that reflects EM radiation, and they just happen to be the leading producers of both.
The materials they use and produce are listed here:

http://www.europe.fasson.com/FRE/PLANETS/GBFREHome.n sf/Glossary?ReadForm&INDEX=P&UL=1&UCN=7E756EF2397F3DBEC1256E2D00489B9A

"Fasson Europe"? Oh yeah, Avery Dennison owns companies all over the world.
They are not simply "ketchup label makers" from Pennsylvania, they had 3.9 Billion in sales last year and are "The global leader in all things adhesive". They, and their sub companies clearly make materials for the government and public all over the world.
http://www.netapp.com/case_studies/avery.html

...and yet another update:

It seems Avery(Dennison)Worldwide has links to Halliburton, COMSAT Laboratories, Phillips petroleum and more. Lawrence Eagleburger, former Secretary of State under Bush Sr. and now board member of Halliburton was once CEO of an Avery subsidiary. This subsidiary, Stimsonite, manufactures EMF and radar reflective materials. Again, sound familiar?

"Landmark Graphics Corporation, a wholly owned business unit of Halliburton (NYSE: HAL), announced today the signing of agreements between Geology and Subsoil Protection Committee of the Ministry of Energy and Mineral Resources of Kazakhstan Republic and numerous oil companies that operate in the region for entry into the Kazakhstan National Data Bank. The companies who signed agreements are the following: Agip KCO, Avery Worldwide Ltd (Yukos, Kazakhstan), CNPC Aktobemunaigas, First International Oil Company, Karachaganak Petroleum Operating (KIO), Kazgermunai, Kazmunaigaz, PetroKazakhstan Kumkol Resources and Petrom. Landmark Graphics together with Kazakh Oil and Gas Institute were chosen as the National Data Bank operators for oil and gas projects of Kazakhstan earlier this year." http://www.halliburton.com/news/archive/2003/lgcnws_101303.jsp

...now, whatever in the world would a "ketchup label maufacturer" have to do with big oil in Kazakhstan?...

To Show-Me truth:

To answer your question, honestly, I believe the Avery spill itself was an accident. I dont believe they did anything on purpose, but by some mishap this happened and made a big deal in the area.

I DO believe it was a tank of the same polymer used in the chem material plus or minus the particle additives. Here's the part that I think everyone is upset about... what I personally think is that they are not spraying just one material into the atmosphere. Think about it, they can do so many things with this technology that they must be like a kid in a candy store. HAARP can control weather patterns as well as human brainwaves/emotion, etc... two very different things. They can spray to introduce pathogens as well as "weed out the population" in any number of ways. So is this for ONE purpose? I highly doubt it. They might spray one thing on one day and another thing the week after and we would NEVER know.

They can introduce any number of materials into this polymer for whatever purpose they wish. Avery itself may be introducing the light and ELF reflective particles (which are made of aluminum, by the way) into it, but it may also be done off site.

So this, I do not know. But I will explain why I believe this IS the polymer used as a base in (at least some)chemtrails. I used to work with glue for a living, I was a printer in a large graphics shop for quite some time. Honestly, your example of glue drying is a valid one, but if you look deeper you will see this material was NOT normal adhesive glue. It was much too "light", and when it diffused it didnt dry out at all. The webs hanging off of everything were not like anything I have seen except in photos of the "chemtrail webs" popping up. You can't spray normal glues, and definately not over the distances described. I have been looking into this a lot in the past few days, and honestly, I can find no reference to "polyvinyl ester polymer" in any glues used commercially. Also, we cant forget the thing that tipped me off the most... these people were getting the same symptoms as chem-sprayed victims. I can tell you honestly that normal adhesives dont cause these symptoms. Could they have been using some experimental super glue no one has ever heard of? Sure, but that definately does not fit with their cover story of what was in those tanks.

Honestly, this is just some of my reasoning. The rest has to do with personal experience of being in the area, the whole "military" thing and personal anecdotal evidence. I'm not even going to go into that here, I already said what I needed to in the first post and you all saw what happened. But I tried hinting rather strongly over and over to check this place out yourselves, and for good reason. This goes for people who actually have the resources to do the research, not "joe blow" who looks up and gets pissed at what he sees. (ie: me) I can go and take pics of certain things, yes, and I plan to, but will they ever sway the naysayers. Nope. So for now, just keep it in the back of your minds that the chemtrail material is produced SOMEWHERE, by some company, and that not every private company you see pulling in 3.9 billion a year is so "cut and dry". There are many layers to this Chemtrail "thing", I just wanted to open up a new line of investigation for those who are interested...

...I personally believe these sprayings are not totally military, that they hide behind a corporate logo as so many black projects do, and that to find the answers, we should follow the money...

..I also believe that theres not really a damned thing any of us could do about them, that our only choice is to find out how to not breathe this crap, block EMF, and how to live with weird weather. Its a personal empowerment thing. To do that, we need to know what the material is. We think we have power to stop "the agenda", but has anything ever really changed after someone exposes a conspiracy? Only for the exposer, not the exposed!...

...and the Halliburton thing, well I still wonder what a label maker has to do with oil pipelines in Kazakhstan, like I said, many layers....

posted 01-29-2004 05:54 PM            

Really, where are the pictures of the Humvees?

How do YOU know those "blackhawks" have listening booms?

This story is full of holes.

ChemyMctrail......

Are you sure you arent related to Cydoniaquest/Yodabreath/Buzzkill..etc.?

Another thing....making available your easily traceable e-mail addy doesn't help...nor does using AOL (big no no if you value privacy). No wonder you had a hard time.

posted 01-29-2004 11:08 PM            

I think the main questions might be, one was this "glue" really found as far as a mile and a half away. I would have to wonder what type of "explosion" or forceful release would send this stuff that far. Also could this forceful expulsion have occurred without leaving major damage?

Also are there even any tanks or systems at that location big enough to cause a discharge reaching such proportions? I wonder if anyone saved a sample for analysis???

posted 01-30-2004 12:19 AM            

POSTED AT MEGASPRAYER..........

FROM CHEMMY MC TRAIL

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To Mech:
The Sikorsky UH-60A Blackhawk has an electronic countermeasures array in a boom on its nose. After spending half your life on Air Force bases you really can't mistake it. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/eh-60a.htm

and here's a pic: http://www.dubuquearmyinfo.com/pages/pics/gallery/uh-60/pages/bh25.html

...The humvees are standard issue and come from a nearby depot. As I said, do the footwork, take a trip and see for yourself.

...Perhaps I should apologize to everyone for coming on too strong, as this is still just "opinion", though a rather obvious one. I'm only giving you links to look into. No holes, no "story". This happened, look it up. Check them out and draw your own conclusions. PLEASE. I just wanted to make this info available to as many people as possible, so we can start to unravel where this stuff actually comes from. (...and it has to come from somewhere, wouldnt you agree?)

...never try to debunk the truth, no matter how much they pay you. ;-)

...and I could care less about my email.'

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---END QUOTE---

First of all Chemmy...

I think you are full of $--T ..but that is just my opinion...you have a right to yours.

Second. I know what a blackhawk/seahawk is. Been around many during MY tour of duty in the Navy.I dont need Globalsecurity (illuminati media) to tell me what it is.NOR do I need a pic. Heck...I'm a registered A&P mechanic...mabye YOU should look up what that is.

What you are saying about the Humvees is HERESAY..not proof. YOU are the one that needs to provide the proof..not me.

I think you are deliberately spreading falsehoods to make legitimate Chemtrail activists look like idiots in the eyes of the General Public...but hey..thats MY opinion.

YOU SAID:

"...never try to debunk the truth, no matter how much they pay you."

...depends on what you THINK is the truth.

Kind of like the SO-CALLED "truth" about Sept. 11th.

Eye of the beholder.

You said.

"--Others I know who go to the Avery Dennison site from a known chemtrail site have their comps go haywire, so be warned, especially if you run any Avery label maker software. This is FOR REAL.)--"

Completely laughable in my view.

MABYE Avery has done some bad things and should be investigated. But in no way are they connected tto the shadow government. Nice try.

You are going after the wrong people.

posted 01-30-2004 08:30 PM            

I must admit, when I saw a post by "ChemyMcTrail" some lights did flash on the bs detector.

I did follow the Avery link and it does look like they have the capacity to produce a "cloud of glue" that would travel a mile just by the size of their operations, though I have not further pursued data on specifics of their capabilities. I would have to imagine the accident report would be available to the public if one wanted it bad enough.

Thanks, Chemy if your for real. May you suffer the karma of being disbelieved at a critical time, if you are just pullin the chain.

posted 01-30-2004 10:28 PM            

Any response to the insults Chemmy? I wouldn't like to be talked about like that.

If the Chemmy posting is a debunker hoax I must say that their approach is getting rather frivolous if they really want people to believe that 'chemtrails are contrails'.

posted 01-31-2004 08:50 AM            

concerning "debunkers" and other assorted "disinfo agents" while we're on the subject.

I try not to forget that it is often the method of DB's to tie a very REAL story (and related to the subject at hand) to complete BS in order to discredit both using guilt by association so I try not to be TOO quick to jump. "Crazy" people have to be telling "crazy" stories right? Well, not necessarily of course, and we all realize this among many dininfo techniques. My comments by the way are not aimed at Chemy specifically as I withhold judgement awaiting further info, but are spoken in general regarding DB's.

IF the post was disinfo (and I state IF) it could have, as stated by Mech been an attempt to discredit/mislead chemtrail researchers, or let's not rule out, it COULD have been to throw one OFF of the trail of a company that MAY have had something to hide, by invoking the "black helicopter" conspiracy visual. Let's not forget the tangled web DB's try to create and the sophistry and dead ends they have to resort to hide from truth. Beware The Debunkers.

As a last item let's leave open the door and possibility maybe Chemy's on the level (regardless of how relevent the Avery "spill" is to anything chemtrail in nature.) I never forget how sceptical I was of chemtrail programs until I was "pulled from The Matrix."

posted 01-31-2004 10:38 PM            

"Halva,

Hello! This is "ChemyMcTrail" from the chemtrail forum. I have been reading your posts in reply to my initial message, and thank you for posting it to the Megasprayer forum. I am new to the board, and not yet authorized to post to the Chemtrail forum (my post was originally posted to "other trails" and moved by an administrator) so I cannot myself post a reply. I have updated the first message with a postscript, though I am afraid no one will notice the update and the debate will fall by the wayside. Could I ask a favor of you? Could you post a reply under the topic with my postscript attached?
I believe my reply answered the criticisms of my post, and the last thing I want to do is back away from any serious debate or questioning on this subject. If you do this, please feel free to include this email, so everyone knows "whats up", and that I am not just wildly posting without any desire to back it up.
Thank you for your time, and for not writing off the information so easily. I appreciate it.

yours,
Eric"

There was an Eric who started the 'Questions' thread that provoked the PHX Pilot intervention and subsequent row that led to the demise of the Council.

On the other hand, it's worth engaging people who say they are interested in helping. This is what we did with Gaiacomm of the HAARP project and eventually it became more or less clear what he was up to.

posted 02-01-2004 04:04 PM            

Thanks for the additional info, I see why one might wonder what all Avery was involved in with the alleged business/political connections. I did notice they have addresses in about 75+ different countries and seem to be a rather large operation.

So what exactly were you alleging might have happened in the Avery 'spill'. Are you suggesting it might have been a tank of 'chem polymer' that ruptured and sent the material flying. Let's not forget that when many glues dry and are spread into the air that they can become "weblike", (just try using a glue gun and having the excess become stringy and web-like.) Are you just suggesting it as a posibility or do you really think there's something there?

You should still be able to post on the science or conspiracy forums and perhaps you could start a thread on either of those relating to Avery and whatever they are pursuing that you have more info on.

Thanks,
SmT