posted 07-09-2001 10:13 PM            

The take-home message was that, if you are going to measure the pH of something, you need to be sure that the expected pH falls within the pH range specified for that method of measurement. Otherwise you are simply measuring an artifact.

This raises the question, what is the validity of the data reported by Clifford Carnicom, http://www.carnicom.com/ph2.htm , purporting to show that the pH of rainfall is rising across the United States between 1990, 1999 and 2000?

Is it possible that the pH of rainfall across the country is NOT rising, and particularly is not rising as a result of barium hydroxide being deposited in the atmosphere, which Mr. Carnicom suggests in A Case for Testing, http://www.carnicom.com/case1.htm ?

Jan24 is a participant at Clifford Carnicom's forums. She says she lives on the north side of Lake Ontario near Toronto. According to a post made by Jan24 on July 3, 2001 at Clifford Carnicom's site and quoted at Chickie Deb's site: "I took a 250mg [sic, probably means 250 ml] sample of rain to be tested by an independent lab. I got it from the first rain following heavy spraying, while the spread out clouds were still in the sky but looked very high up. The results are as follows

ph-------------4.32
aluminum------less than 0.02 mg/L
Magnesium----0.17 mg/L
barium---------less than 0.02 mg/L

( http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=994208341&user=Earthboundmisf it )"

Mr. Carnicom replied http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=5044.topic "These values from this particular sample would therefore not indicate any results that are unusual in terms of magnitude [no reference cited]."

In view of these findings, is it possible that barium is NOT being sprayed into the atmosphere as chemtrails?

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posted 07-10-2001 12:25 PM               

http://www.carnicom.com/spectra1.htm

Indicated in his document are the main spectral lines (nm) for barium:

"455,493,554,614,650,706"

As well as...

"Two significant identifying spectral lines appearing are those at 712nm and 728nm respectively; these lines are visible only under very restricted conditions near sundown."

"Relative intensity within the upper table is an arbitrary ranking factor, with 1 indicating a more intense absorption line in the spectrum, and 3 being the weakest."

I've taken the liberty of converting the intensity to Strong/Medium/Weak indicators for ease of reading. The following information is the results of data collected by Carnicom:

455 Medium
491 None
516 Medium
554 Weak
614 None
648 None

712 Strong
728 Strong

This indicates that the standard spectrographic fingerprint for Barium doesn't get a very strong match. The only match for Barium is from the last two values which represent the "very restricted conditions near sundown" Barium fingerprint. In this case, we see, according to the data presented by Carnicom, a much stronger match.

My main question is, where are these "very restricted conditions near sundown" tests for Barium documented?

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posted 07-22-2001 06:18 PM            

1998--1,858,329 pounds
1999--2,039,155 pounds
http://www.tva.gov/power/tri/shawnee.htm

posted 07-25-2001 05:45 PM            

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You can get an analysis done at the naturopathic Great Smokies testing labs...
1-800-522-4762
A hair analysis costs $48.00
a urine toxics test costs $60.00
Both will accurately tell the barium tale if there is one. While your speaking with them,you might mention chemtrails.I spoke with someone and they didn't know about them. More people to wake up......RTW

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posted 02-02-2002 08:47 AM            

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Great read on "everything you wanted to know about barium".
I'll post "barium oxide". http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc107.htm#SubSectionNumber:1.1.2

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posted 02-12-2002 01:56 PM            

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jayreynolds
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TIME LINE FOR THE SECOND "SPOTLIGHT" ARTICLE
June 15th, 2000
Griffith introduces his idea that "electroactive polymer fibers" are in contrails, which he attempts to support by quoting a DARPA document which refers to these fibers being used in robotics and image processing. He also issues a veiled threat to scientists and government employees whom he mistakenly believes are "spraying" fibers on them: "If the government told the people of the nature of the experiments, I believe the citizens would physically attack the government employees and scientists involved." http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailsmilitaryprojectsresearch.showMessage?topicID=6.topic

June 16th, 2000
Griffith uses the phrase, "The experiments are layered from the ground of the earth up to the ionosphere and beyond." This phrase is found within "The Spotlight" article: http://www.rense.com/general4/chmmm.htm "A member of the research group told The Spotlight that "an over-whelming array of ongoing military research and development and defense-related activity is layered from ground level into space," http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailsmilitaryprojectsresearch.showMessage?topicID=6.topic

July 6, 2000
Posted by Clifford Carnicom "on behalf of Griff" were this photo and text entitled "Enemy Radar View". http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailsbariumresearch.showMessage?topicID=5.topic Rather than being the work of either A.C. Griffith or Carnicom, both the image and the text was taken from this 1996 "Popular Mechanics" article. http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/sci/tech/9607TUMIKM.html [link broken] In order to alter the original so that it served his purpose, Griffith has added the final sentence:" The Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation (VTRPE) model has been tested and perfected after aerosol barium titanate salt mixture was released from military aircraft, forming chemical trails in the atmosphere across America. This was ONE experiment / project conducted with barium salt mixture in the atmosphere." At the same time, realizing that if people knew VTRPE was simply an equation used to approximate real-life situations of radar propagation, Griffith removed the phrase "A complex mathematical model that currently can run only on a supercomputer" from his version of the article. Griffith lifted a "Popular Mechanics" article, including an image, without attribution, and altered it, adding and deleting text. His goal was to impress readers with what he hoped they would accept as his "research". Within several days, I was able to uncover and expose the hoax for all to see.

July 14th, 2000
Griffith introduces his idea that Barium is a component of contrails: http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailsbariumresearch.showMessage?topicID=4.topic "I have every reason to believe that a barium salt mixture has been released into the atmosphere - but not limited to barium salt. If I were not sure of what I'm telling you I would not post this document." However, Griffith proceeds to tell none of the reasons he believes this to be true.

July 16th, 2000
Griffith urges people to use search engines to find references to "advanced radar studies". He says: "New doors of understanding will open for you. Stay with "Advanced Radar Studies" until you get enough insight to begin to see into their projects. Later other project doors will open to you for further understanding." http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailsbariumresearch.showMessage?topicID=4.topic Here is the search he specified his followers to make: Search metacrawler using keywords "advanced radar studies" http://www.metacrawler.com/help/noquery.html

July 24,2000
Griffith describes an anonymous conversation he says was related to him regarding barium, because of this, he says, "We know we're right on target!" http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailsbariumresearch.showMessage?topicID=7.topic

July 25th, 2000
Clifford Carnicom creates a messageboard forum specifically for Griffith's barium idea, saying, "One suggestion is to invite Griff to present an opening statement here, since to my understanding, he is the source and genesis of this research. Deborah may be inclined as well as you suggest since there has been extensive research on both accounts." http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailsbariumresearch.showMessage?topicID=2.topic Griffith Goes to Ground After this point, A.C. Griffith dropped out and away from public view, not making public comments but asking people to confer via e-mail.

10/3/2000
Griffith posts the complete text of "The Spotlight" article of 10/9/2000. He leads with the subject line, "Spotlight Newspaper does it again !!". http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=3266.topic [link broken] This is a direct reference to his pride in this being the second article in which he has been the focus of an interview by Mike Blair in "The Spotlight". The same day, the same text was also posted by Clifford Carnicom at his messageboard and website. http://www.carnicom.com/report1.htm

10/5/2000
On October 5th, I informed both A.C. Griffith and Clifford Carnicom by e-mail that I had begun research and intended to expose the process by which Griffith had created "Project Report No. 1" and the identity of it's author(s).

10/7/2000
A.C. Griffith, in response to my message, began circulating an e-mail message warning of an attack coming on what he called "The Spotlight Report". I have never had any intention of disputing what was contained in "The Spotlight", which I believe accurately reported the story told to it by A.C.Griffith.

In his email, Griffith cites his sources, "As investigators get closer to the truth, informed sources in government say that an aggressive effort is forthcoming and will attempt to systematically discredit people and information found in the recent Spotlight Chemtrail Report." I say, "Which INFORMED SOURCES IN GOVERNMENT, GRIFFITH?"

To the present day, A.C Griffith has not made further public appearances, or responded to my requests for further information, including verifiable documentation of his military record. It is almost as if he's hiding out, waiting for the next shoe to drop.
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Note: This report was displayed at a website I created in 2001, but which subsequently disappeared offline. Repeated emails to the free host regarding what happened went unanswered. I assume that threats of legal action were made against the host which dropped the site as part of their risk aversion policy.

Deb was a member of "The Group" during the time Griffith created the barium idea., and would testify that what I say is factual, I'm sure. Unless someone is feeding this stuff TO Griff, he is simply making it up. My next post will deal with him.

Jay

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WHO IS A.C. GRIFFITH?

A.C. Griffith as Airman 2nd Class, 1959,serving with the 6925th Radio Squadron, Mobile as a radio repairman, http://www.clarkab.org/organizations/6925thrsm/griffith/GriffithAC282.jpg A.C. Griffith, age sixty, http://www.clarkab.org/organizations/6925thrsm/griffith/nsmailRAlr.jpg is a resident of Richmond, VA, who also operates a business near Winston-Salem,NC, called Yesterdayradio.com, http://www.yesterdayradio.com/ which specializes in reproductions of historical radio broadcasts. To my knowledge, Griffith has not engaged in commercial activity related to the contrail controversy, or advertised his business among his fellow "believers". I have asked Griffith if he was indeed an Air Force officer, but he has refused to respond. This leads me to conclude that he is not able to document his service without revealing that he was only an enlisted man, and never an officer as he claimed to "The Spotlight". He maintains a webspace at the Clark Air Force Base website http://www.clarkab.org/organizations/6925thrsm/griffith/ where he displays photos and reminiscences of his duty there as an enlisted man between 1959-60. He served with the 6925th Mobile Radio Squadron, which operated radios which monitored transmitters in China and took bearings on their locations. While this work could be considered "intelligence gathering", it does not amount to being an "NSA official", as Griffith claimed to "The Spotlight".

NOTE: Deborah of Boston, Kim Weber, wisequakker, carnicom, Mike Castle, Sore throat, Izakovic, Diane Harvey, and probably many others know this whole story, because they are all members of "The Group" which created "Chemtrails Over America", and the two "Spotlight" articles.

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Jay

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