posted 08-05-2001 11:36 AM               

Examine the animated slides shown in the link below.
Several of these trails, commonly referred to as Ship Trails, can be seen being formed:

ANIMATED SHIP TRAIL LOOP (Java Applet)

How fast are these "ships" really moving?

I wanted to know so here is what I did.

I counted the number of hours in the sequence. From 10/21 at 16:45 to 10/22 at 00:30 is almost 8 hours. I'll round to 8 hours.

Then I set the loop on the first frame and picked a "ship". I made a little mark on the monitor. Then ran the loop to the last frame and made a second mark. Then I measured the distance on a piece of paper.

I located a pair of landmarks on the coast of an equal length to the distance the "ship" went, then using Yahoo maps, I calculated the actual distance traveled. The result was 120 miles.

120 miles divided by 8 hours =

15 MPH

This simple research was also conducted for several different ships by Mark Sky. He calculated slightly higher but similar magnitude values for the ships he measured.

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Mark Sky:

I took the four fastest ships and calculated
there speeds as follows:
Vancover island is about 320 miles long and is 3.5 inches long on my screen, or about 90 miles per screen inch.
I timed one ship at 90 miles in 2.5 hours = 36 MPH, two ships at 90 miles in 3.75 hour or 24 MPH and one ship at 90 miles in 3 hours or 30 MPH, so they are way too slow to be planes. Interesting!

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What this means is that the speed of the craft producing these trails are too slow to be aircraft.

Here is some technical information from NASA cloud researcher Dr. Minnis.

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Dr. Patrick Minnis

You can tell ship trails from contrails by viewing the infrared imagery. The low clouds (ship trails) are darker than high clouds (contrails). The ship trails form under a low-level inversion that is fairly persistent off the west coasts of the continents. Water vapor evaporated from the ocean forms the low-level stratus and stratocumuls clouds inthose areas. The exhaust from the ships introduces aerosl and cloud nucelation particels that don't normally exist in the proistine marine air. The numerous nuclei results in much smaller droplets that do not form drizzle. Clouds with larger droplets tend to drizzle out and the cloud dissipates. When there is no drizzle, the trails can spread and persit for days. They twist and turn with the fairly vigorous winds resulting in the wild patterns you see. The longer they persist, the more spread out they become. The process is much like that for contrails. But he conditions have to be right. You can often see them in some other near infrared imagery imbedded in stratus decks even though they arenot apparent in the visible imagery. They are sometimes hard to see in infrared imagery because their temperatures are close to the sea surface temperaure.

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posted 08-06-2001 09:26 AM            

In 1917 SanFrancisco, Calif. there was a large yellow cloud that came in from the Pacific ocean and swept over the city. Shortly there after the hospitals were swamped with people claiming to be sick. Most complained of flu-like symptoms and chest pain that lasted for days.
Think WW1 and chemical warfare testing on civilians....

What better way to deny responsability than have "it" come in on the prevailing winds.

posted 08-06-2001 10:03 AM            

Now check on the cancer rate for the area surrounding the explosion. Some of the highest in the land. Check on the destination of the ship that blew up.
The first nuclear bomb was going to be delivered to Japan by ship but they did not know the effective killing range of a ground or water based explosion. What better way to test than to blow up half a city to find out.

In explaining how the explosion looked to the untrained observer, most said it looked like a "mushroom shaped cloud". This is the first time that term ,Mushroom Cloud, was used in the media. This cloud was observed as far away as St. Helena Calif, Calistoga Calif, many miles from the site. The force of the explosion was so great, it sucked the water from the Mare Island channel, the water rushing back in caused considerable damage itself. Sound like conventional ammunition to you??

posted 08-06-2001 08:13 PM            

These are arranged in no particular order.
There is a mix of both sides of the issue of an
Atomic blast at Port Chicago, Mare Island Shipyard in 1944.

I am working on links to the cancer rate in the area surrounding the blast.
I tried each of these links today and they all were good.

posted 08-07-2001 11:55 PM            

I worked in home health for awhile and some of my patients worked at Mare Island during the 40's and they said a lot of contamination there and it was area where subs were outfitted. One man said that there were tarps covering stuff that he was told not to look at and he wasn't sure what they were. Coverups continue.

posted 08-25-2001 10:14 PM            

ps: I'm sure that a large ocean-going vessel could easily reach speeds of 15mph, and probably a lot more if it's contracted to the military. For sampling purposes, a quick call to a cruise ship company, should tell us something about the performance characteristics of their large liners...which reminds me...does anybody know whether there are commercial vessels out there in the Pacific running in the area of the ship-trais?

posted 08-25-2001 11:47 PM            

After I started to snap out of it, I decided that our clear days were about to come to an end. It stood to reason that the rainstorm had screwed up the concentration level that had been achieved.(Theoretically of course, 3T3). Sure enough, the sprayplanes were back in a big way today.

posted 01-23-2002 07:35 PM            

So sorry, I guess I should have stated the satellite capture was posted a little after NOON today by mark sky at Carnicom's board, where he calls them "ship trails."

posted 01-29-2002 02:00 AM            

So what would you say...how wide are these "ship trails"? http://www.atmos.washington.edu/images/vis_enhanced/2002012318.gif

by the way...notice that nothing was obvious at: http://www.atmos.washington.edu/images/vis_enhanced/2002012301.gif

and sixteen hours later, there they are: http://www.atmos.washington.edu/images/vis_enhanced/2002012317.gif

posted 01-30-2002 10:27 PM            

The question remains, though, were they ship or jet trails? As far as how wide they were, I'm not qualified even to make a guess. However, what comes to mind are the trails from military jets on Sept. 12 across Ohio to Virgina. Scroll down to the middle of the page where it says September 12, 2001- http://cdebsjournal.topcities.com/post911Satshots.htm

posted 01-31-2002 03:13 AM            

I wish our "west coasters" could have
a "ground station" system like Dales and link it to Chemtrail Central.

I am envious - NOT GREEN - just envious
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contrails from ship exhaust (not airplanes).
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how they are different and how to identify them.

Ship Trails and Jet Contrails on NOAA Weather Satellite Images

The image below shows condensation trails from ships covering thousands of miles west of California
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Below is a rare image showing both ship contrails and jet contrails
The contrails are very different.
Ship contrails are low, warm, "fog", seeded by sulphuric acid droplets and unburned hydrocarbons from ship exhaust.
Jet contrails are very high, extremely cold ice crystals.

The image above is shown again below in two versions, infrared on the left and visible on the right.
Jet contrails are most easily seen in the infrared images because their cold temperature makes them very bright white. They are usually hard to spot in visible images because they are narrow and do not persist very long. Jet contrails appear over both land and sea, and are much straighter than ship trails because the are so short lived.
Ship trails last for hours or days and twist into many shapes as they are blown by light low level winds. Their shape does not denote the ship's path since the wind may move the trails hundreds of miles. Ship trails are large and bright in the visible light images but invisible on the infrared because they are low and almost the same temperature as the sea surface.

Same image, infrared channel left and visible channel right

This is another close-up of the same visible image as above showing the jet contrails in more detail. Close inspection reveals the contrails as well as their shadows cast on lower level clouds.

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posted 01-31-2002 08:22 AM            

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Below is a rare image showing both ship contrails and jet contrails
The contrails are very different.
Ship contrails are low, warm, "fog", seeded by sulphuric acid droplets and unburned hydrocarbons from ship exhaust.
Jet contrails are very high, extremely cold ice crystals

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