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Thermit
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Houston, TX
2658 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-05-2001 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Email Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ship Trails, often seen in the Pacific, are sometimes thought of as Chemtrails being produced by planes. However this doesn't seem to be plausable when the creation of these trails are observed and measured over a time period.



Examine the animated slides shown in the link below.
Several of these trails, commonly referred to as Ship Trails, can be seen being formed:


ANIMATED SHIP TRAIL LOOP (Java Applet)


How fast are these "ships" really moving?

I wanted to know so here is what I did.

I counted the number of hours in the sequence. From 10/21 at 16:45 to 10/22 at 00:30 is almost 8 hours. I'll round to 8 hours.

Then I set the loop on the first frame and picked a "ship". I made a little mark on the monitor. Then ran the loop to the last frame and made a second mark. Then I measured the distance on a piece of paper.

I located a pair of landmarks on the coast of an equal length to the distance the "ship" went, then using Yahoo maps, I calculated the actual distance traveled. The result was 120 miles.

120 miles divided by 8 hours =

15 MPH


This simple research was also conducted for several different ships by Mark Sky. He calculated slightly higher but similar magnitude values for the ships he measured.


quote:

Mark Sky:

I took the four fastest ships and calculated
there speeds as follows:
Vancover island is about 320 miles long and is 3.5 inches long on my screen, or about 90 miles per screen inch.
I timed one ship at 90 miles in 2.5 hours = 36 MPH, two ships at 90 miles in 3.75 hour or 24 MPH and one ship at 90 miles in 3 hours or 30 MPH, so they are way too slow to be planes. Interesting!



What this means is that the speed of the craft producing these trails are too slow to be aircraft.


Here is some technical information from NASA cloud researcher Dr. Minnis.


quote:

Dr. Patrick Minnis

You can tell ship trails from contrails by viewing the infrared imagery. The low clouds (ship trails) are darker than high clouds (contrails). The ship trails form under a low-level inversion that is fairly persistent off the west coasts of the continents. Water vapor evaporated from the ocean forms the low-level stratus and stratocumuls clouds inthose areas. The exhaust from the ships introduces aerosl and cloud nucelation particels that don't normally exist in the proistine marine air. The numerous nuclei results in much smaller droplets that do not form drizzle. Clouds with larger droplets tend to drizzle out and the cloud dissipates. When there is no drizzle, the trails can spread and persit for days. They twist and turn with the fairly vigorous winds resulting in the wild patterns you see. The longer they persist, the more spread out they become. The process is much like that for contrails. But he conditions have to be right. You can often see them in some other near infrared imagery imbedded in stratus decks even though they arenot apparent in the visible imagery. They are sometimes hard to see in infrared imagery because their temperatures are close to the sea surface temperaure.


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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
3146 posts, Oct 2000

posted 08-05-2001 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am glad you brought this subject back up Thermit.
Here is another puzzler.
If you look at the width of the trails and compare them with a known width, say that of the bay area (San Fransisco Bay area)for example, you see that they are wide enough that just one "ship trail" would completely cover the width of the Bay Area.
It is also curious that these "ship trails" are never seen where ships are known to gather (at Ship Ports) and where they would be quite obvious if they were to be doing what Dr. Minnis suggests is normal.
and then there are the "ship trails" that turn abruptly and head back the direction from whence they came, perhaps like the air pilots they simply forgot to turn the stove off at home?
Can tanker type ships go 15 to 36 MPH?
what is a reasonable speed of large ocean going vessels that could produce such wide lingering trails?
If you have read the book "Clouds of Secrecy" by Leonard Cole , you will remember that the military (supposably OUR military) in 1951 used ships off the coast of San Fransisco to "shoot" up clouds of Seretia spores that decended over the Bay area. The BioWarfare "simulant" was picked up over 21 miles downwind in the eastern Bay Area by the military monitors. Those in downtown San Fransisco were exposed to something like 500 spores per cubic of air.
Although we see the jets heading out and spraying over the Pacific Coast frequently here,it would make more sence to spray the ocean with tanker boats than with planes.

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
3146 posts, Oct 2000

posted 08-05-2001 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A~ voidence at all costs
the subject is too hot

and whe3n the wind changes
it will be too late
to change your tune
\so we skip around the
"issues" of the boats
and tucked safely we await
the debunking onslaught



[Edited 1 times, lastly by mark sky on 08-05-2001]

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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts


Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 08-06-2001 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll have to admit, I don't understand the ship trail phenomenon at all. I can understand how ships would make plumes of water vapor sort of like smokestacks do on land. But why would these plumes be persistent? They are released at sea level, not at 40,000 feet. The temperature at sea level wouldn't be much below freezing, not -40 degrees centigrade, so we would be talking about water vapor, not ice crystals. What would make them persist for days?

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David
Chemtrail Information Agent


1267 posts, Oct 2000

posted 08-06-2001 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This from an eyewitness.

In 1917 SanFrancisco, Calif. there was a large yellow cloud that came in from the Pacific ocean and swept over the city. Shortly there after the hospitals were swamped with people claiming to be sick. Most complained of flu-like symptoms and chest pain that lasted for days.
Think WW1 and chemical warfare testing on civilians....

What better way to deny responsability than have "it" come in on the prevailing winds.

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Thermit
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Houston, TX
2658 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-06-2001 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Email Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is also curious that these "ship trails" are never seen where ships are known to gather (at Ship Ports) and where they would be quite obvious if they were to be doing what Dr. Minnis suggests is normal.


Mark, yes this is an interesting question. I was noticing in Minnis' details above, that he mentions that "they are not apparent in the visible imagery". This seems to imply that they might not be obviously present to the eye, however some of the Ship Trail images I've seen are from the visible imagery, so I don't quite understand that discrepancy.

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David
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1267 posts, Oct 2000

posted 08-06-2001 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You want a real mystery and cover-up? Check out the explosion of an "ammunition ship" at Port Chicago, Mare Island Calif 1944.
Delve into that one and see how the official version does not make sense. I know people who were there, in the area at the time, and say what was "official observation" was BS.
They blamed the whole thing on black sailors not handling munitions safely, yeah right.

Now check on the cancer rate for the area surrounding the explosion. Some of the highest in the land. Check on the destination of the ship that blew up.
The first nuclear bomb was going to be delivered to Japan by ship but they did not know the effective killing range of a ground or water based explosion. What better way to test than to blow up half a city to find out.

In explaining how the explosion looked to the untrained observer, most said it looked like a "mushroom shaped cloud". This is the first time that term ,Mushroom Cloud, was used in the media. This cloud was observed as far away as St. Helena Calif, Calistoga Calif, many miles from the site. The force of the explosion was so great, it sucked the water from the Mare Island channel, the water rushing back in caused considerable damage itself. Sound like conventional ammunition to you??

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David
Chemtrail Information Agent


1267 posts, Oct 2000

posted 08-06-2001 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Howdy all

These are arranged in no particular order.
There is a mix of both sides of the issue of an
Atomic blast at Port Chicago, Mare Island Shipyard in 1944.

I am working on links to the cancer rate in the area surrounding the blast.
I tried each of these links today and they all were good.

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/sinope.htm http://www.usmm.org/portchicago.html http://www.altnews.com.au/nexus/PortChicago.html http://intergate.cccoe.k12.ca.us/pc/ [URL=http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/fac/PC/ http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/fac/PC/]http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/PortChicago.shtml]http://www.ibiblio.org/hype rwar/USN/fac/PC/ http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/Por tChicago.shtml[/URL] http://www.portchicagomutiny.com/history/history.html
Well it looks like one of them died, I will replace it later with another link.
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/fac/PC

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
3146 posts, Oct 2000

posted 08-06-2001 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
David, i think your "ibiblio" site was placed up against your "atomic" address without the space in between to separate them
keep up the excellent work
EDITED
David, check out the ends of the links that don't work and remove the "URL=" and the "]" and "[" marks from the ends and put spaces between the individual links and they should all work.all of them should start with http and end without ]

[Edited 1 times, lastly by mark sky on 08-07-2001]

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David
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1267 posts, Oct 2000

posted 08-06-2001 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks mark. I tried to fix it, hope I didn't make it worse. Still working on the cancer links.

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
3146 posts, Oct 2000

posted 08-07-2001 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think these links will work
i have read them today
a very interesting situation
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/sinope.htm
http://www.usmm.org/portchicago.html
http://www.altnews.com.au/nexus/PortChicago.html
http://intergate.cccoe.k12.ca.us/pc/
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/fac/PC/
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/PortChicago.shtml
http://www.portchicagomutiny.com/history/history.html

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David
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1267 posts, Oct 2000

posted 08-07-2001 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again mark, I'v been gone all day so did not fix them. I owe you a couple. I will post the cancer information 8-8-01.

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Anne
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Napa, CA USA
123 posts, Feb 2001

posted 08-07-2001 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am going to read the references tomorrow. I had also talked to a reporter who works in Fresno and whose Dad worked at Travis when he was a kid and he said that they had a nuclear accident there too, but I am not sure of the year. The Benecia area has a lot of contamination and larger amount of cancers. There has been an incidence of cancer in Napa area of middle aged adults. Recent articles in papers also said that polio vaccine was contaminated too. Who knows why a lot of people dying of cancers.

I worked in home health for awhile and some of my patients worked at Mare Island during the 40's and they said a lot of contamination there and it was area where subs were outfitted. One man said that there were tarps covering stuff that he was told not to look at and he wasn't sure what they were. Coverups continue.

Yes, Thermit, I have seen those "ship trails" on visible satellites too. I do not believe they are all ship trails. Spraying has been done off shore lately and that stuff comes in with the fog nightly.

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Moose
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Fargo, ND
24 posts, Jan 2001

posted 08-25-2001 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the "ship-trails" were in fact coming from actual ships (traveling at a minimum of 15mph), perhaps the aerosols being ejected from the ships have identical electrical charges (- or +), so that, by the law of like-repelling-like, they bloom to their impressive width. As for their length, well a ship's hold could store a lot of spray material. Furthermore, if the ship-trail "chemtrails" are at all similar, to the "sparklies" being reported all around the country, they would have highly unusual characterists, aerodynamically speaking: highly energized; minute particles moving *into* a stiff breeze; swarming, reminiscent of insect swarms in that they hover above ground at the same height for long periods of time; webbing, 20'and longer; and (contrary to common sense) being easily visible immediately after a good rainfall. Which makes me wonder if the "sparklies" (and by inference the ship-trails) are somehow being "buoyed up" by a man-made electrical charge being diffused through the atmosphere (for purposes unknown).

ps: I'm sure that a large ocean-going vessel could easily reach speeds of 15mph, and probably a lot more if it's contracted to the military. For sampling purposes, a quick call to a cruise ship company, should tell us something about the performance characteristics of their large liners...which reminds me...does anybody know whether there are commercial vessels out there in the Pacific running in the area of the ship-trais?

Moose

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Chem11
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The Homeland
1356 posts, Apr 2001

posted 08-25-2001 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny you should mention the idea of these particles being suspended for an extended period of time, Moose. We've been clear in Seattle for over six weeks... a day or two of moderate spraying in the middle of that, but nothing major. Then the rains came a couple days ago. A torrential, record-setting downpour that I, of course, got caught in without an umbrella. I made it home, peeled out of my soaking wet clothing, and promptly collapsed. It was like all those dizzyness/ fatigue synptoms had been amplified to the nth degree.

After I started to snap out of it, I decided that our clear days were about to come to an end. It stood to reason that the rainstorm had screwed up the concentration level that had been achieved.(Theoretically of course, 3T3). Sure enough, the sprayplanes were back in a big way today.

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
3146 posts, Oct 2000

posted 11-19-2001 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Putting up the periscope on this thread again
Surfacing for a breath of "air"
What about a submarine? Aren't they able to do 36 miles per hour?

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Deb
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Plainfield, Indiana USA
163 posts, Oct 2001

posted 01-23-2002 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although this capture of ship trails says 2200, mark sky said it was taken around 11:30AM Pacific. I utilized the new NASA tool to see if these trails showed up at that time -
http://cdebsjournal.topcities.com/Jan2302.htm

So sorry, I guess I should have stated the satellite capture was posted a little after NOON today by mark sky at Carnicom's board, where he calls them "ship trails."

Edited again - OK, now I get it. mark sky didn't capture the satellite shot, he just posted the link, so it keeps updating. That explains the time difference. Also looking at it now, about 12 hours later, the trails have attached to an approaching weather front.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Deb on 01-23-2002]

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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts


Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 01-24-2002 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the picture from the GOES-10 archive:

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
3146 posts, Oct 2000

posted 01-29-2002 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah well sorry about the confusion Deb
I was just leaving on a trip into the unknown
and wanted a sat look see into the coming
and that was the momment
so i thought i would leave a clue for the others to follow up on
and by golly sorethoat did
Good find mark.

So what would you say...how wide are these "ship trails"? http://www.atmos.washington.edu/images/vis_enhanced/2002012318.gif

by the way...notice that nothing was obvious at: http://www.atmos.washington.edu/images/vis_enhanced/2002012301.gif

and sixteen hours later, there they are: http://www.atmos.washington.edu/images/vis_enhanced/2002012317.gif



[Edited 2 times, lastly by mark sky on 01-29-2002]

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Deb
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Plainfield, Indiana USA
163 posts, Oct 2001

posted 01-30-2002 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mark, the links aren't working, so I can't comment.

The question remains, though, were they ship or jet trails? As far as how wide they were, I'm not qualified even to make a guess. However, what comes to mind are the trails from military jets on Sept. 12 across Ohio to Virgina. Scroll down to the middle of the page where it says September 12, 2001- http://cdebsjournal.topcities.com/post911Satshots.htm

Kim Weber saw them, and as explained in The Environmental News article about Dr. Minnis and his obsevations that day, those trails look pretty wide-spread on the satellite shots too.

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Molliani
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Illinois
401 posts, Mar 2001

posted 01-31-2002 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Molliani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are a few excerpts from
Dr Dale Irelands web site.
You'll find a great picture of ship trails
and contrails - an interesting contrast.

I wish our "west coasters" could have
a "ground station" system like Dales and link it to Chemtrail Central.

I am envious - NOT GREEN - just envious
Please visit his most interesting web site.

PLANET DALE

DALE IRELAND'S
ASTRONOMY PAGE
http://www.drdale.com/

Photographs, Diagrams, Charts, Fabrications(*)
LIVE VIDEO CAMERA 
Weather and astronomical events from my back porch

This web site is a collection of my personal work over the past few years.
All of the photographs, images, diagrams, and charts were created by me.
This page has been officially designated as Messier object M102
Comets, Eclipses, Satellites, Nature Photography, News, Trivia, Occultations
Satellite Weather Images of the western U.S. and Canada I receive daily with my low budget "ground station".
(These are low orbit images, NOT those you see on TV or internet weather sites)
click on images below to select topic

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comet page, eclipse page, photo page, satellite page, trivia, news


Dale Ireland's LIVE CAM
and Satellite Images of Silverdale, WA. 47.7N, 122.7W

The camera is pointed out our back window E.N.E. across the northern end of Dyes Inlet, an arm of Puget Sound, 20mi west of Seattle, Washington State, USA. The tidal variation here can be up to 14ft in 6hrs. Camera updates every 30 minutes dawn to dusk..  The time is PST, Pacific Standard Time, (GMT -8hrs). If I am home when there is something interesting on the beach like a Heron or Eagle I may grab an image and leave it up for a few hours, so the webcam may stop updating for a while.


These are images that I receive directly from the weather satellites. They are low orbiting NOAA sats that come over a couple times each day. I receive the signals with a scanner type radio, and a small antenna, and feed the sound signal into my computer where it is converted to a photo with the freeware program WXSAT. It is easy to do, a cheap police band scanner and 2 ft all-band antenna is all that is required, and you need to know when the satellites will pass over you. I add the map grid with Adobe Photoshop.
Click HERE to see my satellite receiving station and an explanation of how easy it is to do.

contrails from ship exhaust (not airplanes).
Click HERE for more images of Ship Trails and Jet Contrails
how they are different and how to identify them.

Ship Trails and Jet Contrails on NOAA Weather Satellite Images


The image below shows condensation trails from ships covering thousands of miles west of California
click on images for larger view

Below is a rare image showing both ship contrails and jet contrails
The contrails are very different.
Ship contrails are low, warm, "fog", seeded by sulphuric acid droplets and unburned hydrocarbons from ship exhaust.
Jet contrails are very high, extremely cold ice crystals.

The image above is shown again below in two versions, infrared on the left and visible on the right.
Jet contrails are most easily seen in the infrared images because their cold temperature makes them very bright white. They are usually hard to spot in visible images because they are narrow and do not persist very long. Jet contrails appear over both land and sea, and are much straighter than ship trails because the are so short lived.
Ship trails last for hours or days and twist into many shapes as they are blown by light low level winds. Their shape does not denote the ship's path since the wind may move the trails hundreds of miles. Ship trails are large and bright in the visible light images but invisible on the infrared because they are low and almost the same temperature as the sea surface.

Same image, infrared channel left and visible channel right

This is another close-up of the same visible image as above showing the jet contrails in more detail. Close inspection reveals the contrails as well as their shadows cast on lower level clouds.


All of the photographs, images, diagrams, and charts may not be used or displayed without my written permission, copyright 1997, Dale E. Ireland. direland@drdale.com  I appreciate any comments, suggestions or corrections. My location is Latitude 47.7N, Longitude 122.7W in the city of Silverdale, Washington State, USA. I am a dentist. I maintain a solo, family oriented, general practice.tip of the month (68k wav)


   


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Deb
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Plainfield, Indiana USA
163 posts, Oct 2001

posted 01-31-2002 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW! Molliani, great post! Thanks for the "turn-on." And he's just a dentist from Puget Sound.

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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts


Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 01-31-2002 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Molliani! Here is part of his section on ship trails vs. contrails:
quote:

Below is a rare image showing both ship contrails and jet contrails
The contrails are very different.
Ship contrails are low, warm, "fog", seeded by sulphuric acid droplets and unburned hydrocarbons from ship exhaust.
Jet contrails are very high, extremely cold ice crystals




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