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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts


Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 08-16-2001 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To see all of the figures, go to http://3t3l1.homestead.com/index.html

Effect of Methodology and Elapsed Time on pH Value Obtained for a Sample of Rainwater

Authors: 3T3L1 and toxdoc

Abstract:
The pH of sample of fresh rainwater was measured using three methods: (A) using a calibrated pH meter, (B) using pH paper, and (C) using an aquarium pH indicator solution. The pH paper and the aquarium pH indicator solution were rated for pH levels above that expected for fresh rainwater. The calibrated pH meter gave a value of 4.3 pH units, which corresponds exactly with the current published value for the same locality, 4.38 ± 0.08 (Source: National Atmospheric Deposition Bureau--NADP). The pH obtained by pH paper and by a pH indicator solution was limited in every case to the lowest sensitivity of the method used, and was incorrect by as much as 3.2 pH units.

It is therefore inadvisable to measure the pH of fresh rainwater using pH paper or a pH indicator solution outside its suggested range of accuracy. It is especially inadvisable to use such readings to infer that the pH of fresh rainwater in the United States may be considerably higher than that reported by the NADP.

Introduction:
One of the important characteristics of rainfall is its hydrogen ion concentration or pH. By definition, pH is the negative log of the hydrogen ion concentration, with a pH of 1 representing a 0.1 molar concentration of hydrogen ions (very acidic), and a pH of 14 representing a concentration of 0.00000000000001molar hydrogen ions (very basic). Distilled water has a pH of 7.0. (For a quick review of pH, see http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~acarpi/NSC/7-ph.htm )

Because of the phenomenon of acid rain, the pH of rainfall has become important to environmentalists. More recently, the possibility that salts of barium are being sprayed into the atmosphere has raised the possibility that rainfall is becoming more basic.

The National Atmospheric Deposition Program (NADP) measures the pH of rainfall at approximately 282 sites within the United States and its territories. The first map shows the annual average pH of fresh rainfall in the continental United States in 1994. The second map, also from NADP, shows the same data for 1999. Comparison of values between individual sites on the two maps indicates some variation, but no particular trend toward a higher or a lower pH over the 5 year interval.



Source: National Atmospheric Deposition Program (NRSP-3)/National Trends Network. (2000). NADP Program Office, Illinois State Water Survey, 2204 Griffith Dr., Champaign, IL 61820.
http://nadp.sws.uiuc.edu/isopleths/

The NADP obtains its pH values using electronic pH meters which are calibrated daily to buffer solutions of known pH ( http://nadp.sws.uiuc.edu/lib/opman.pdf ). Typical pH meters are accurate to ±0.02 pH unit and cost several hundreds of dollars. It is possible to obtain estimates of the pH of rainwater using commercially available pH paper and indicator solutions. In both cases, when a sample is measured, the resultant color of the paper or the solution is compared with a standard color strip, and the pH is estimated within ±0.2 or 0.3 pH units. Only a limited number of colored compounds can be used together in a particular indicator. Thus, indicator paper and indicator solutions are sold for specifically defined pH ranges.

Materials and Methods
On June 21, 2001 from 9:00 AM until 12:00 noon EST, approximately 40 ml of rainwater was collected in Butler County, Ohio. Rainwater was collected in sterile 50 ml disposable centrifuge tubes, with a Nalgene funnel fitted to each tube. The pooled sample was then brought into the lab and the temperature was measured (24°C). Aliquots were made of the sample for pH determination by each of six methods. pH determination was made by each method at 15 minutes, 2 hours, 4 hours and 24 hours after the sample collection was completed.
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Test method 1: Mettler-Toledo MP220 pH meter, standardized between pH 4.0 and 7.0 with buffer solutions calibrated according to the National Institute of Standards.

Test method 2: Mettler-Toledo MP220 pH meter, standardized between pH 7.0 and 10.0 with buffer solutions calibrated according to the National Institute of Standards.
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Test method 3: Baxter/SP pH Strips, pH range 5.1-7.2
Test method 4: Baxter/SP pH Strips, pH range 6.5-10.0
Test method 5: Baxter/SP pH Strips, pH range 7.5-9.8
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Test method 6: Freshwater Deluxe pH Test kit. pH range 6.0 -7.6, purchased at PetSmart
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Results:
As shown in the table below, and illustrated in its accompanying figure, the pH measured with the pH meter calibrated between 7.0 and 10.0 showed pH values between 4.8 and 5.1. These readings indicated that most accurate results would be obtained when the pH meter was calibrated between 4.0 and 7.0. When the pH meter was calibrated in the lower range, the value obtained was pH 4.3 for fresh rainwater and trended upward as dissolved CO2 was lost. The value at 24 hours was pH 4.6. The average annual pH of fresh rainwater for 1996-2000 in Butler County, Ohio and Washington County, Kentucky was pH 4.38 ± 0.08. (Source: National Atmospheric Deposition Program (NRSP-3)/National Trends Network. (2000). NADP Program Office, Illinois State Water Survey, 2204 Griffith Drive, Champaign, IL 61820.)

When the rainwater was tested with pH paper calibrated between 5.1 and 7.2, the pH obtained was that of the lowest pH color available, or pH 5.1. When each of the two pH papers calibrated for higher ranges were used, the pH obtained was the lowest color available in that range, i.e., pH 6.5 for paper in the range of 6.5-10.0 and pH 7.5 for paper in the range of 7.5-9.8.

Similarly, when the Freshwater Deluxe pH Test kit pH range 6.0-7.6 was used to test the pH of the rainwater, the pH obtained was that of the lowest pH color available, pH 6.0.

Conclusions:
The NADP reported that the annual average pH of fresh rainfall in this locality was pH 4.38 ± 0.08 in June of 2001. This is entirely consistent with the pH of 4.3 obtained in this study for fresh rainwater measured using a pH meter calibrated between 4.0 and 7.0. Values given by pH paper were incorrect by 0.8 to 3.2 pH units, and the value given by the aquarium pH indicator was incorrect by 1.7 pH units.

In this study, the pH of fresh rainwater was observed to increase over 24 hours when measured using the pH meter. By contrast, the pH obtained using indicators did not change over time, even though the final pH approached the range which could be measured by one of the indicator papers.

In light of these results, it is apparent that an investigator cannot obtain reliable values for the pH of fresh rainfall by using pH paper or an aquarium pH indicator solution which is not calibrated for the expected pH range of the samples to be measured. The inherent inaccuracy of pH measurement with such indicator paper and indicator solutions also makes it impossible to compare rising or falling trends in the pH of fresh rainwater.

We therefore conclude that it is inappropriate to compare pH values obtained by a pH meter with values obtained by pH paper or aquarium pH indicator solutions used outside their specified pH ranges.

The experiments described were performed by toxdoc, who holds a Ph.D. in toxicology.
The writeup was done by 3T3L1, who holds a Ph.D. in medical biochemistry.

[Edited 19 times, lastly by 3T3L1 on 09-25-2001]

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
3146 posts, Oct 2000

posted 08-16-2001 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so use a variety of paper ranges of high quality and fresh vintage and you can get very close to the proper value
been doing it for 25 years
but if you use the wrong paper outside of its range of detection it will show the value at that end
i have a lot of high quality Freshly obtained paper in many ranges
some of it is quite specific within the 0.2 range (with my eye sight)
and i have 25 years of experince of sending samples to highly paid labs that concure with the results of simple litmus tests withing that 0.2 pH range
i never found the cheaper electronic units to be anywhere near the truth
and the expensive ones need constant electrode maintenence and or replacement to be honest
why are we talking about this anyway?

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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts


Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 08-16-2001 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are talking about this:

1. because Homestead.com is showing signs of instability, and I would prefer not to lose the results of a study performed by toxdoc and written up by me.

2. because Clifford Carnicom suggests that it is valid to measure the pH of fresh rainwater using aquarium pH test kits, which are typically accurate in the range of pH 6.0 to 7.6.

so use a variety of paper ranges of high quality and fresh vintage and you can get very close to the proper value
I agree, Mark. I don't know why Mr. Carnicom recommends using aquarium pH test kits rather than pH paper of the appropriate range.

i never found the cheaper electronic units to be anywhere near the truth
and the expensive ones need constant electrode maintenence and or replacement to be honest

In my experience, this is also correct. However, if Mr. Carnicom is going to compare one set of pH data (pre-chemtrails, performed by the NADP) with another (post-chemtrails, performed by Deborah, Phil and others), it would seem logical to have the pH measured by the same methodology in both cases.

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
3146 posts, Oct 2000

posted 08-16-2001 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree as well
so lets give the people a good source
of technology
that they can afford to do this research
as you have seen by reading my reports
the pH of precipitation
here on the soth coast of Oregon has been preety near 5~5.3 for the last year
with papers in the 4~7, 4~10, and 6.5~ 10 range.
I have never read the papers in the higher ranges reported by Clifford across the eastern USA
yet something is going on~ even those who would rather not know will say
pH monitoring is worthwhile as are photo archives, thoughts and observations
without these
humans would never have survived

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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts


Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 08-17-2001 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have your pH data available, Mark? If you'd like to send it to me, I'd be glad to put it into graph format and post it here. (Or you can, if you have the software and the time.)

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2658 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-25-2001 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Email Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

pH Meter-------------------pH Paper-------------------pH Indicator Solution

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
3146 posts, Oct 2000

posted 09-25-2001 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from the above, Mr. Carnicoms data is drawn into question via the method of data collection.
I stand by my pH readings here on the south coast of Oregon
which by the way were taken with pH Paper
used wisely with experience

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
3146 posts, Oct 2000

posted 09-29-2001 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are the papers
if you have time to roll
from Lab Safety Supply, INc
1-800=356-0783 www.labsafety.com
"part number 53280" is a Whatman widerange pH indicator paper that indicates from pH 4.5 to 10.0 with a three color base
accuracy is up to your eyesight but i can read it within 0.2 units and i am olde
once you hone in on where you are with the above switch to the "colorpHast" papers available in several ranges, they will indicate that you are on track to a degree of 0.1 unit
personally i use the 4.0 to 7.0 papers and the 6.5 to ten papers from colorpHast (a division of Merck germany
happy hunting

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Wolf_Larson
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The Sea
301 posts, Aug 2003

posted 08-25-2003 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wolf_Larson   Visit Wolf_Larson's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An interesting paper on checking the accuracy of a pH electrode. (PDF Format)
http://wwwsoc.nii.ac.jp/jsac/analsci/pdfs/a15_1159.pdf

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Wolf_Larson
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The Sea
301 posts, Aug 2003

posted 08-26-2003 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wolf_Larson   Visit Wolf_Larson's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are serious about conducting rainwater measurement and you have some cash to spend, here is a company that sells reference standards for rainwater
http://www.irl.cri.nz/msl/SI-units/chemical/Ref_materials/water.html


Here are some hints on how to collect samples

http://www.meteorology.org.hk/acid_guide.htm

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Wolf_Larson
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The Sea
301 posts, Aug 2003

posted 12-06-2003 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wolf_Larson   Visit Wolf_Larson's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am curious, is there anyone out there that is still conducting personal research on this issue?

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