posted 12-08-2003 08:15 PM               

Have you noted that any data that contradicts SEÑOR Eduardo Ferreyra is labeled as "useless". Yep, let's just throw it out.

The latest article published in the peer reviewed journal Science is from a couple of scientists from the National Climatic Data Center, Satellite and Information Services and the National Center for Atmospheric Research....two more institutions to add to SEÑOR Ferreyra's hit list.

...and two more who refuse to drink SEÑOR Ferreyra's Kool-Aid.

By the way, these scientists are presenting data...it is SEÑOR Ferreyra's who attempts to dominate with his "opinion".

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Modern Global Climate Change

Thomas R. Karl1 and Kevin E. Trenberth

Science 2003 December 5,; 302: 1719-1723

Modern climate change is dominated by human influences, which are now large enough to exceed the bounds of natural variability. The main source of global climate change is human-induced changes in atmospheric composition. These perturbations primarily result from emissions associated with energy use, but on local and regional scales, urbanization and land use changes are also important. Although there has been progress in monitoring and understanding climate change, there remain many scientific, technical, and institutional impediments to precisely planning for, adapting to, and mitigating the effects of climate change. There is still considerable uncertainty about the rates of change that can be expected, but it is clear that these changes will be increasingly manifested in important and tangible ways, such as changes in extremes of temperature and precipitation, decreases in seasonal and perennial snow and ice extent, and sea level rise. Anthropogenic climate change is now likely to continue for many centuries. We are venturing into the unknown with climate, and its associated impacts could be quite disruptive.

1 National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, National Climatic Data Center, Satellite and Information Services, 151 Patton Avenue, Asheville, NC, 28801–5001, USA.

posted 12-08-2003 08:34 PM               

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Shrinking glaciers, lower lake levels may be linked to climate change: report

Wed Dec 3, 6:52 PM ET

DENNIS BUECKERT

OTTAWA (CP) - Shrinking glaciers in the Rockies and sinking water levels in the Great Lakes could be early effects of climate change, says the author of a major Statistics Canada report.

Fluctuating water levels are normal in the Great Lakes but the past decade has brought six warmer-than-average years and a decline in ice cover and precipitation, says the report.

Francois Soulard, senior research officer at the federal agency, said the decline in water levels goes beyond what can be explained by natural weather variability.

"It is probably an indicator of climate change," he said. "The water level at Montreal, which is sort of an indicator for what's going on in the Great Lakes, has been dropping steadily since the last century."

Increased consumption in the Great Lakes area could also be a factor, he added.

The study, entitled Fresh Water Resources in Canada, notes that low water levels have threatened the navigability of the St. Lawrence Seaway in recent years. Low water levels can also threaten recreational activities, water purification, power generation and aquatic life.

Soulard also warned that the rapid disappearance of mountain glaciers is bad news for some of the most important rivers on the Prairies.

"The North and South Saskatchewan rivers are fed by these glaciers and these glaciers are the source of water for later in the summer when it's so important for agricultural activities.

"Once the snow melt in the mountains has gone away and the rainy season is over then what you have is the base flow which is mostly in the prairies due to glacial melt."

The study notes that 1,300 glaciers have lost between 25 per cent and 75 per cent of their mass since 1850. Total glacial cover along the eastern slope of the Rockies is now close to its lowest level in 10,000 years.

Water squabbles are already growing on the Prairies. Environment Minister Lorne Taylor recently called on Albertans to cut their water consumption to avert a crisis.

Soulard said natural balance between evaporation and precipitation in the Rockies is changing over time.

"It's a bit like a bank account where the capital is being drawn upon. Interest is not covering the ecosystem uses downstream."

posted 12-08-2003 08:43 PM               

Global warming could submerge three of India's largest cities: scientist

MADRAS (AFP) - Global warming (news - web sites) could submerge three of India's biggest cities beneath the sea by 2020 unless the crisis was brought under control, an Indian scientist warned.

"If the warming continues, there will be about half to one metre increase in sea level by 2020 and cities like Bombay, Calcutta and Madras will be completely submerged," said Rajiv Nigam, a scientist with the Geological Oceanography Division, in the western Indian state of Goa.

He said that a one-metre rise in sea level could cause five trillion rupees (108 billion dollars) worth of damage to property in Goa alone.

"If this is the quantum of damage in a small state like Goa that has only two districts, imagine the extent of property loss in metros like Bombay," he added Saturday at a workshop in the National College in Dirudhy, Tamil Nadu state.

posted 12-08-2003 08:55 PM               

Experts: Global Warming May Cool Europe

By EMILY BACKUS, Associated Press Writer

MILAN, Italy - Western Europe might actually get colder as a result of global warming (news - web sites), because the melting Arctic ice cap is cooling off the warm ocean current that is largely responsible for Europe's mild weather, scientists and environmentalists said.

If the ice cap in Greenland and the Arctic continues to melt at its current rate, Europe's temperatures would take a sharp dip after five or more decades of increasingly warm weather. That turnaround could spell trouble for regions that by then will have adapted to more tropical conditions, the experts told reporters Friday at a U.N. climate change conference here.

"To mitigate the advancement, the increase, the acceleration of that warming, we would need to take really radical steps, far more extreme than the Kyoto Protocol (news - web sites) on global warming is proposing," Jonathan Bamber of the University of Bristol said.

Bamber said increased influxes of water from the Artic could trigger a slowdown or diversion of the Gulf Stream, the current that sweeps warm water from the Gulf of Mexico up to the North Atlantic, warming the waters and climate of Western Europe.

Bamber also said that in the next five years, Europe could expect increasingly hazardous conditions in the Alps. Last summer was the first ever that the Matterhorn and Mont Blanc were closed for fear of rocks loosened by melted ice and snow.

And during Europe's record heat wave this summer, 10 percent of the "permanent" ice in the Italian Alps melted away, said Damiano Di Simine, president of the Italian chapter of the International Commission for the Protection of the Alps.

He told reporters that 53 billion cubic feet of fresh water had been lost, a resource critical to northern Italy's water-intensive crops, like rice.

"But every year we lose large quotas of water, between 5 and 10 percent of the Alpine ice, so within about 20 or 30 years, well lose it all," he said.

Earlier this week, the United Nations (news - web sites) Environment Program issued a report saying that global warming was threatening the world's ski resorts, with melting snow at lower altitudes forcing the sport to move higher and higher up mountains, and threatening to make downhill skiing disappear altogether at some resorts.

Despite grim the prognosis, panelist Bill Hare, Climate Policy Director of Greenpeace International, cited European efforts to reduce greenhouse emissions as significant progress toward implementing policies and technologies that can slow climate change.

The Kyoto treaty calls for countries to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions, which are blamed for global warming. The U.N. conference is grappling with the possibility that the pact might never come into force because the United States has rejected it and Russia hasn't ratified it.

"The hardest and most fundamental problem to be overcome is the U.S. at present," Hare said. "And unless and until the U.S. starts to move, everyone else will be that much slower."

posted 12-09-2003 04:40 PM               

Global Warming Threatens Lake Bursts in Nepal

Sanjaya Dhakal, OneWorld South Asia

KATHMANDU, Dec 9 (OneWorld) - Although Nepal's share in the global emission of greenhouse gases is almost nil, the consequences of global warming (news - web sites) and climate change - receding snowlines, lake bursts and flash floods - threaten to wash away vast areas of the country, including the region that's home to Mount Everest (news - web sites).

The meltdown has sent a chill across the Himalayan nation. Over the last couple of years, it has recorded a hazy winter, hotter summer months and frequent landslides, which experts attribute to climatic change.

Weathermen believe this could be the harbinger of even more miserable weather to come. "The average temperature in Nepal is rising by 0.5 degrees Celsius per decade," points out a senior official in the climate change section in the Ministry of Population and Environment, Purushottam Kunwar.

As Nepal is home to the mighty Himalayas, global warming has increased the pace of snow melting, which, in turn, has made glacial lakes swell.

The United Nations (news - web sites) Environment Program (UNEP) had warned five years ago that 20 big glacial lakes in the country are at risk of floods from glacial lake bursts, which could trigger huge loss of life and property.

Different reports suggest the frequency of such bursts has increased in the recent past. "Five glacial lake bursts occurred in Nepal from 1977 to 1998 according to records and satellite imagery," says a climate change officer at the World Wildlife Fund (WWF-Nepal Program), Sandeep Chamling Rai.

WWF-Nepal acts as a member secretary organization of the Climate Change Network Nepal, which includes a number of domestic and international environmental bodies keeping a watch on global warming and its impact on Nepal.

One of the most startling results of climate change can be seen in the spectacular Tsho Rolpa glacial lake situated in the Rolwaling valley, north of the capital Kathmandu.

"The lake had an area of 0.23 sq kilometers in 1950. It has since swollen to 1.7 sq kilometers," says the director general of the Department of Hydrology and Meteorology, Madan Lal Shrestha.

UNEP had in the past issued apocalyptic warnings about the likelihood of the lake bursting, triggering flash floods in rivers downstream. It was reported that if it burst, the Tsho Rolpa could affect life and property as far away as 100 kilometers downstream.

Immediately after the UNEP warning, the department started the Tsho Rolpa Risk Reduction Project, with the help of a Dutch agency.

The project has siphoned a huge quantity of water and has brought down the water level by 3 meters. According to UNEP, the water level needs to be brought down by at least 20 meters to ensure safety.

As recently as August 2003, the Kawari glacier lake, situated in the foothills of the Annapurna II mountain, burst, destroying property worth US $100,000. Five people were killed and dozens rendered homeless.

Glacial lake bursts on a smaller scale have been frequently reported in the past few decades. On September 3, 1998, the Sabai Tsho lake-burst killed two persons and washed away fields and trekking trails of Solukhumbu district, which is home to Mount Everest.

Likewise, in September 1997, the Dudh Koshi burst destroyed a mini hydro plant there. On July 1991, the Chilbung lake burst, damaging houses in Beding village in Rolwaling valley.

"These are only few examples. Glacial lake bursts occurred in the past as well, but their frequency has increased of late because of rising pace of snow melting thanks to the rise in temperature," asserts Shrestha.

According to Rai, an inventory carried out by ICIMOD (International Center for Integrated Mountain Development) and UNEP has shown that there are 26 potential dangerous glacial lakes in Nepal.

Rapid melting of snow has also led to the receding of the snowline and glacial rivers. "The Rikhasambha glacier river, located in the north-western Dhaulagiri valley, has receded 100 meters between 1974 and 1994. Such recession of glacial rivers is also seen elsewhere," points out Shrestha.

Which is why, he says, Nepal is witnessing a disturbance in mountain climate, flash floods, cloudbursts, erratic weather patterns and so on.

Every year, the number of people dying in floods and landslides increases. In the year 2003, more than 300 people died of floods and landslides across the country.

Greenhouse gases could indeed create a climatic calamity, say climatologists. The spatial variability of the monsoon conditions causes floods and landslides in some regions while severe drought conditions occur in other parts.

"In Nepal's context, the rise in temperature results in enlargement of existing glacial lakes, causing frequent landslides and floods, which destroy vast acres of crops due to hot air flow," says Rai.

Kunwar points out that climate change is responsible for erratic weather patterns such as the thick haze that shrouds Nepal's Terai (southern plains) area in winter.

"The haze destroys cash crops of this region, which is the breadbasket of the country. And due to delay in regular snowfall, people living in the western Himalayan region are suffering from outbreaks of viral influenza and other diseases," he maintains.

Global warming is also raising temperatures at home. Says environmental journalist Bhairab Risal, "It is very disappointing that while Nepal does not emit many greenhouse gases, it has to face the consequences of actions of other developed countries. Due to their actions, our white gold (mountains) may be under threat."

WWF-Nepal will soon be making a detailed study on the impact of climate change in Nepal. "At present we don't have a comprehensive report. But we fear that even bio-diversity may have been affected by the change in climate," he says.

This could be particularly true in a country like Nepal where different species are found at different altitudes and climatic conditions.

According to Kunwar, Nepal is already a party to the international convention on climate change and is working to ratify the Kyoto protocol (news - web sites).

But despite its deep concern, Nepal might not be able to cope with the challenge thrown open by global warming on its own, say government officials.

posted 12-09-2003 04:45 PM               

Global Warming Deaths on the Rise

Reuters

MOSCOW -- About 160,000 people die every year from side effects of global warming ranging from malaria to malnutrition and the numbers could almost double by 2020, a group of scientists said Tuesday.

The study, by scientists at the World Health Organization and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said children in developing nations seemed most vulnerable.

"We estimate that climate change may already be causing in the region of 160,000 deaths ... a year," Professor Andrew Haines of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine told a climate change conference in Moscow.

"The disease burden caused by climate change could almost double by 2020," he added, even taking account of factors like improvements in health care. He said the estimates had not been previously published.

Most deaths would be in developing nations in Africa, Latin America and Southeast Asia, which would be hardest hit by the spread of malnutrition, diarrhea and malaria in the wake of warmer temperatures, floods and droughts.

"These diseases mainly affect younger age groups, so that the total burden of disease due to climate change appears to be borne mainly by children in developing countries," Haines said.

Milder winters, however, might mean that people would live longer on average in Europe or North America despite risks from heat waves this summer in which about 15,000 people died in France alone.

Haines said the study suggested climate change could "bring some health benefits, such as lower cold-related mortality and greater crop yields in temperate zones, but (that) these will be greatly outweighed by increased rates of other diseases."

Russia is hosting a World Climate Change Conference this week to discuss how to rein in emissions of gases like carbon dioxide from factories and cars that scientists blame for blanketing the planet and nudging up temperatures.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, who opened the conference on Monday, suggested in jest that global warming could benefit countries like Russia as people "would spend less money on fur coats and other warm things."

But Putin also backed away from Russia's earlier pledge to swiftly ratify the key Kyoto pact on curbing global warming, a plan that will collapse without Moscow's backing.

He told 940 delegates to the conference Russia was closely studying the issue of Kyoto. "A decision will be taken when this work is finished," he said, giving no timetable.

Haines said small shifts in temperatures, for instance, could extend the range of mosquitoes that spread malaria. Water supplies could be contaminated by floods, for instance, which could also wash away crops.

posted 12-10-2003 10:44 AM               

The four degrees: How Europe's hottest summer shows global warming is transforming our world

By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor

It was the summer, scientists now realise, when global warming at last made itself unmistakably felt.

We knew that summer 2003 was remarkable: Britain experienced its record high temperature and continental Europe saw forest fires raging out of control, great rivers drying to a trickle and thousands of heat-related deaths. But just how remarkable is only now becoming clear.

The three months of June, July and August were the warmest ever recorded in western and central Europe, with record national highs in Portugal, Germany and Switzerland as well as in Britain. And they were the warmest by a very long way.

Over a great rectangular block of the earth stretching from west of Paris to northern Italy, taking in Switzerland and southern Germany, the average temperature for the summer months was 3.78C above the long-term norm, said the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia in Norwich, which is one of the world's leading institutions for the monitoring and analysis of temperature records.

That excess might not seem a lot until you are aware of the context - but then you realise it is enormous. There is nothing like this in previous data, anywhere.

It is considered so exceptional that Professor Phil Jones, the CRU's director, is prepared to say openly - in a way few scientists have done before - that the 2003 extreme may be directly attributed, not to natural climate variability, but to global warming caused by human actions. Meteorologists have hitherto contented themselves with the formula that recent high temperatures are "consistent with predictions" of climate change.

For the great block of the map - that stretching between 35-50N and 0-20E - the CRU has reliable temperature records dating back to 1781.

Using as a baseline the average summer temperature recorded between 1961 and 1990, departures from the temperature norm, or "anomalies", over the area as a whole can easily be plotted. As the graph shows, such is the variability of our climate that over the past 200 years, there have been at least half a dozen anomalies, in terms of excess temperature - the peaks on the graph denoting very hot years - approaching, or even exceeding, 2C. But there has been nothing remotely like 2003, when the anomaly is nearly four degrees.

"This is quite remarkable," Professor Jones told The Independent. "It's very unusual in a statistical sense. If this series had a normal statistical distribution you wouldn't get this number. The return period [how often it could be expected to recur] would be something like one in a thousand years.

"If we look at an excess above the average of nearly four degrees, then perhaps nearly three degrees of that is natural variability, because we've seen than in past summers. But the final degree of it is likely to be due to global warming, caused by human action."

The summer of 2003 has, in a sense, been one that climate scientists have long been expecting. Until now, the warming has been manifesting itself mainly in winters that have been less cold than in summers that have been much more hot. Last week, the United Nations predicted that winters were warming so quickly that winter sports would die out in Europe's lower-level ski resorts. But sooner or later the unprecedented hot summer was bound to come, and this year it did.

Over a large swath of the western part of the European continent, records were broken in all three months, not just monthly averages, but for daily extremes and the lengths of spells above thresholds. New national records were set in at least four countries. Britain experienced its record high on 10 August when the mercury registered 38.5 C(101.3F) at Faversham in Kent - the first time the British Isles had recorded a three-figure Fahrenheit temperature.

Germany had a new record of 40.8C (105.4), Switzerland one of 41.5C (106.7F) - Swiss data show the summer as the hottest since at least 1500 - and Portugal a quite astonishing 47.3C (117.1F).

Although France did not see a new national record - that still stands at the 44C (111.2F) registered at Toulouse on 8 August 1923 - the country suffered severely from La Canicule, the heat wave, which was headline news for most of the late summer. In southern and eastern France, according to Professor Jones, 29 sites recorded temperatures exceeding 40C (104F) during August, with the record being 42.6C (108.7F) at Orange in the Rhône valley.

One of the most dramatic features of the summer was the hot nights, especially in the first half of August. In Paris, the temperature never dropped below 23C (73.4F) at all between 7 and 14 August, and the city recorded its warmest-ever night on 11-12 August, when the mercury did not drop below 25.5C (77.9F). Germany recorded its warmest-ever night at Weinbiet in the Rhine valley with a lowest figure of 27.6C (80.6F) on 13 August, and similar record-breaking night-time temperatures were recorded in Switzerland and Italy.

The 15,000 excess deaths in France during August, compared with previous years, have been related to the high night-time temperatures. The numbers gradually increased during the first 12 days of the month, peaking at about 2000 per day on the night of 12-13 August, then fell off dramatically after 14 August when the minimum temperatures fell by about 5C. The elderly were most affected, with a 70 per cent increase in mortality rate in those aged 75-94.

For Britain, the year as a whole is likely to be the warmest ever recorded, but despite the high temperature record on 10 August, the summer itself - defined as the June, July and August period - still comes behind 1976 and 1995, when there were longer periods of intense heat.

At the moment, the year is on course to be the third-hottest ever in the global temperature record, which goes back to 1856, behind 1998 and 2002, but when all the records for October, November and December are collated, it might move into second place, Professor Jones said. The 10 hottest years in the record have all now occurred since 1990. Professor Jones is in no doubt about the astonishing nature of European summer of 2003. "The temperatures recorded were out of all proportion to the previous record," he said. "It was the warmest summer in the past 500 years and probably way beyond that. It was enormously exceptional."

His colleagues at the University of East Anglia's Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research are now planning a special study of it. "It was a summer that has not been experienced before, either in terms of the temperature extremes that were reached, or the range and diversity of the impacts of the extreme heat," said the centre's executive director, Professor Mike Hulme.

"There were impacts on health in France, on hydroelectricity in Spain, on agriculture in southern Germany and on transportation in Italy.

"It will certainly have left its mark on a number of countries, as to how they think and plan for climate change in the future, much as the 2000 floods here revolutionised the way the Government is thinking about flooding in the UK.

"The 2003 heatwave will have similar repercussions across Europe."

A taste of things to come

How the land suffered: first the fields dried and turned yellow, then the forests burst into flames. The rivers disappeared; the glaciers melted; the old died.

Although in Britain we dream of hot weather, across Europe the heatwave of last June, July and August was too much for most people.

The heatwave was record-breaking in its extremity, with temperatures exceeding 100F (37.78C) across a vast area of Europe, and the prolonged period of drought made it worse. Parts of eastern France had been without rain since February, the longest spell in a century. There was no feed for livestock; nothing was green any more.

In Feurs, in the Loire département, a 34-year-old man was arrested for killing his horse in public, cutting it in four pieces and putting in his freezer. He said the drought had shrivelled all the grazing and he had no more grass or feed to keep the animal alive.

In France's south, the tinder-dry brush went up in flames at the hint of a spark and by the third week of July, 40,000 acres were burning between Toulon and Saint Tropez; the Massif des Maures, the chain of hills that form a noble backdrop the Riviera, was burnt to a cinder.

Two Britons, Margaret Timson, 63, and her granddaughter,15-year-old Kirsty Egerton, from Wigan, Greater Manchester, were killed when they tried to escape from the fires, close to La Garde-Freinet, near Frejus, by car. Other tourists from the Netherlands and Poland also lost their lives.

Rivers dried across the continent; in Spain and in Italy there were electricity shortages as hydroelectric power stations ceased to function when the flow dropped.

The Po, Italy's greatest river, was reduced to a trickle. As the rivers began to vanish, so did the Alpine glaciers. Many Swiss glaciers showed dramatic retreats, melting at a rate 10 times that of a normal summer. Italians scientists estimate that their own country's glaciers are now 20 per cent smaller than they were in 1987.

And the old and the infirm, at the heatwave's height in early August, simply keeled over. The French estimate an extra 15,000 deaths during the summer period across the country, but with the largest numbers in Paris.

In Britain, we celebrated; we ate outdoors, we wolfed down ices. But continental Europe in summer 2003 had a taste of what global warming will really be like: unpleasant and dangerous.
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posted 12-10-2003 03:09 PM               

Scientists Measure Human Impact on Climate

By ANDREW BRIDGES, AP Science Writer

SAN FRANCISCO - Measurements of ancient air bubbles trapped in Antarctic ice offered evidence that humans have been changing the global climate since thousands of years before the industrial revolution.

Beginning 8,000 years ago, atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide began to rise as humans started clearing forests, planting crops and raising livestock, a scientist said Tuesday. Methane levels started increasing 3,000 years later.

The combined increases of the two greenhouse gases implicated in global warming (news - web sites) were slow but steady and staved off what should have been a period of significant natural cooling, said Bill Ruddiman, emeritus professor at the University of Virginia.

The changes also disrupted regular patterns that dominated the 400,000 years of atmospheric history that scientists have teased from samples of ancient ice.

"You have 395,000 years of history, which sets some rules, and 5,000 years that break those rules," Ruddiman said.

Ruddiman briefed reporters on his theory Tuesday at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union. Further details appear in the December issue of the journal Climatic Change.

Previously, scientists widely assumed it was only with the onset of the factory age that human activity had any significant effect on the global climate. The prehistoric changes in carbon dioxide and methane levels have been noted before but were attributed to natural causes, Ruddiman said.

"It's a great new idea we need to talk about and evaluate," said Bette Otto-Bliesner, a paleoclimate expert at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, who was not connected with the research.

Atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide and methane naturally fluctuate, in part because of changes in the orbit of the Earth and the resulting variations in the amounts of sunlight.

But human activity apparently thwarted expected decreases in the atmospheric concentrations of both gases. Leading the change was the revolutionary adoption, across both Europe and Asia, of agriculture and animal husbandry, Ruddiman said.

Analysis of air trapped in ice cores drilled from the Antarctic ice sheet show anomalous increases in carbon dioxide levels beginning 8,000 years ago — just as crop lands began to replace previously forested regions across Asia and Europe.

About 5,000 years ago, the ice cores reflect a similarly anomalous rise in methane levels, this time tied to increased emissions from flooded rice fields, as well as burgeoning numbers of livestock, Ruddiman said.

The prehistoric practices apparently overrode a buildup of ice that models predict should have occurred beginning 5,000 years ago.

posted 12-10-2003 05:53 PM            

The record temps for Europe and elsewhere that you posted do indeed seem to indicate some kind of warming trend, and when you said:
"...the year is on course to be the third hottest ever in the global record, which goes back to 1856, behind 1998 and 2002..." it made me wonder a couple of things.

First, how is the global record you are referring to compiled, and by whom? Also it struck me as odd that about 1997 was when it seemed there was a large increase in chemtrail reporting. I don't remember the source at the moment, but I recall the suggestion has been made before that perhaps chemtrail cloud creations actually might aggravate warming. Though as I have said before I'm not by any means a climatologist, I would wonder if surely clouds don't hold heat at night. What are your thoughts on this? Could chemtrails actually be making the problem worse?

Also you stated "the 10 hottest years in the record have all now occurred since 1990". Again where does the data come from, and how? Do you know if chemtrail applications increased also during the 90's?

Thanks,

SmT

posted 12-11-2003 10:38 AM               

"Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia in Norwich, which is one of the world's leading institutions for the monitoring and analysis of temperature records."

"For the great block of the map - that stretching between 35-50N and 0-20E - the CRU has reliable temperature records dating back to 1781."

As far as aircraft contrails contributing to global warming, this is an indisputable fact:

Original image can be found at:
http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/9999/99992926F1.JPG

It is unfortunate for all that SEÑOR Eduardo Ferreyra chooses to work at a screen resolution of 800 x 600. This in turn forces a rescaling of linked graphics, which display fine at 1024 x 768.

Forcing people to the lowest common denominator is actually nothing new for him.

You'll also note that he has no comment on the impact of aircraft contrails on climate change...a rather important aspect of this forum.

posted 12-11-2003 10:52 AM               

Climate change has started: UN

Leaders at a UN conference on climate change, backed by fresh data from the insurance industry, said global warming was already kicking in, years ahead of most scientific predictions.

But the vehicle designed to combat the threat, the Kyoto Protocol, remained deep in the mire, awaiting a clear sign from Russia that it would transform the draft deal into an international treaty to cut greenhouse-gas pollution.

The meeting of environment ministers, gathered under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), heard many delegates say the flurry of droughts, storms and floods of the past few years pointed to a planetary weather system that was already being disrupted.

"Climate change is already having an impact on mankind, especially in developing countries," said chief Chinese delegate Liu Jiang, whose country was hit by catastrophic flooding this year.

"The effects of climate change are already evident," said Environment Minister Altero Matteoli of Italy, current chairman of the EU, which in 2003 suffered its hottest summer on record.

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, in an address read to the meeting, also suggested the first impacts of global warming could be felt today.

"The heightened frequency and intensity of extreme weather events and associated natural disasters that we have seen in recent years -- such as the serious droughts this summer in India and Europe, and the storms that devastated parts of North America -- is consistent with this conclusion," said Annan.

"There is growing concern that this trend is likely to continue."

According to details from an annual estimate compiled by reinsurance giant Munich Re, natural disasters, most of them caused by extreme weather, cost the world more than $US60 billion ($A81.1 billion) in 2003, up from $US55 billion ($A74.34 billion) in 2002.

Europe's heatwave was the biggest single item, at $US10 billion ($A13.52 billion) in agricultural losses alone, while flooding on China's Huai and Yangtze rivers cost $US8 billion ($A10.81 billion).

The biggest single insured loss was in the United States, where tornado damage in the Midwest cost the insurers $US3 billion ($A4.06 billion), according to the figures, released by the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP).

"Climate change is not a prognosis, it is a reality that is and will increasingly bring human suffering and economic hardship," said UNEP chief Klaus Toepfer.

Evidence that the uncontrolled burning of fossil fuels is trapping solar heat, creating a "greenhouse" effect, has progressively strengthened over the past decade.

But when, where and how bad the impact would be on the planet's fragile climate system were unknowns, according to the usual scientific consensus.

Most projections suggested the first could be felt perhaps a decade or more from now.

posted 12-11-2003 03:03 PM               

Disease threat will worsen as global warming bites: WHO

MILAN (AFP) - Diarrhoea, malaria and dengue fever will surge and swathes of southern Asia are likely to be hit by malnutrition as a result of global warming (news - web sites), the World Health Organisation (WHO) warned at the UN's climate-change conference.

Higher temperatures will change rainfall patterns and the length of seasons, and this will have a resounding impact on agriculture and water-borne and insect-borne diseases, it said Thursday.

"There is growing evidence that changes in the global climate will have profound effects on the health and wellbeing of citizens in countries throughout the world," Kerstin Leitner, the agency's assistant director-general for sustainable development and healthy environments.

A study launched in Milan by the WHO with the help of three other agencies, garnering the best available scientific data, said that if global temperatures increase by two or three C (3.6-5.4 F), several hundred million more people a year will be exposed to malaria.

"Further, the seasonal duration of malaria would increase in many currently endemic areas," it added.

In 2030, the estimated risk of diarrhoea will be up to 10 percent higher if emissions of carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse" gases that trap the Sun's heat continue to grow unbraked, it said.

As for malnutrition, the study warned of a "significant increase" in India, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Vietnam, which are heavily dependent on having a predictable monsoon for rice growing, but there would be a "small decrease" in China and the other nations of Southeast Asia.

But there are also other, currently unquantifiable risks to health, according to the report.

These include include deaths from heatwaves, of the kind that ravaged Western Europe this summer, the region's hottest on record, and mortality from floods, storms and droughts.

Worsening air pollution and allergens, the emergence of new diseases or old diseases that take a new transmission path, and the advent of novel pests that could blight food crops are other potential factors.

The agencies that worked with the WHO on the study, "Climate Change and Human Health - Risks and Responses," are the UN Environment Programme (UNEP), the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) and the US Environmental Protection Agency (news - web sites) (EPA).

The data basis for it includes the landmark 2001 report by the UN's top scientific body on global warming, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

The IPCC believes the Earth's average surface temperature increased by about 0.6 C (1.08 F) during the 20th century, of which two-thirds has occurred since 1975, when the effects of the age of oil began to kick in.

It projects a rise of between 1.4 and 5.8 C (2.5-10.4 F) from 1990-2100, with the variation depending on how much action is taken to curb greenhouse-gas emissions.

At the top end of the IPCC's estimates, sea levels could rise by 88 centimetres (55 inches), drowning many small island states and delta regions.

The report was unveiled on the final day of a two-meeting of world environment ministers, attending the December 1-12 gathering of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).

A summary of the document can be downloaded at the WHO website at (http://www.who.int/globalchange).

posted 12-11-2003 06:29 PM               

And if you believe that...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/ice_maps

Satellite Makes 3-D Maps of Ice Sheets

By ANDREW BRIDGES, AP Science Writer

SAN FRANCISCO - After less than a year of work, an Earth-orbiting satellite has churned out the most detailed, three-dimensional maps ever of the ice sheets blanketing Greenland and Antarctica.

The baseline measurements collected by the Ice, Cloud and Land Elevation Satellite, or Icesat, should allow scientists to track the growth and shrinkage of the ice sheets, and to gauge the effect that might have on global sea levels.

The satellite, launched in January, took less than two months to produce the first topographic maps, said Jay Zwally, project scientist of the nearly $300 million mission at NASA (news - web sites)'s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

On Tuesday, scientists attending the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union updated reporters on the mission's progress.

The satellite can measure the elevation of any one spot on the ice sheets twice each year, allowing scientists to watch for even minute changes in the vast frigid expanses over the projected two- to three-year life of the mission, Zwally said.

Eventually, the spacecraft should be able to detect changes in ice levels as small as 0.4 of an inch a year over large swaths of Antarctica and Greenland, scientists said.

"It's unprecedented the accuracy we're getting," said Bob Schutz, of the University of Texas at Austin.

Icesat bounces a laser beam off the Earth's surface 40 times a second as it passes 360 miles overhead at 16,000 mph to make its measurements.

The satellite's laser also can be bounced off the clouds to provide unprecedented views of their heights and structure. So far it's successfully tracked the movement of pollutants in the atmosphere as well, including the large plumes of smoke produced in the destructive wildfires that struck Southern California this fall.

"It allows us to see the atmosphere in ways we haven't before," said James Spinhirne, of NASA's Goddard.
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posted 12-11-2003 07:42 PM               

It is one of mankind's final frontiers, a place of extreme cold and extraordinary beauty. But the North Pole's icecap is thawing fast. And many of us will live to see it disappear altogether

By Steve Connor
11 December 2003

The frozen north is under threat. The land of ice and snow, of the Aurora borealis light shows and a jovial white-haired chap in a red outfit with white trim, is melting so fast that scientists predict a completely ice-free North Pole by the end of this century. That hasn't happened since the warm "interglacial' period before the last Ice Age - 30,000 years ago.

The dramatic change is already being felt by the region's dwindling population of 22,000 polar bears, whose springtime hunting grounds are literally melting away. They and the seals on which they feed can no longer rely on the vast frozen landscape that is crucial for their survival.

Then there are the indigenous Arctic peoples, loosely and incorrectly called Eskimo (the name means "raw-meat eater" and is considered pejorative by many native Inuit), whose way of life is also becoming untenable - groups such as the Saami, Aleut, Athabascan, Eyak and Metis, each with their own culture and traditions honed by generations of ancestors who learnt to exist in a climate so cold that it can instantly freeze human breath.

Five years ago, the native people in Alaska began to voice their concerns about changes to their Arctic homeland. In a Greenpeace report called Answers from the Ice Edge, they gave worrying personal testimonies about the retreat of the sea ice. "For some odd reason the ugruks [bearded seals] that we hunt are further out there," said Gibson Moto, an Inupiat from the Alaskan village of Deering.

Benjamin Neakok, who lives in the northern Alaskan outpost of Point Lay, had his own concerns. "It makes it hard to hunt in fall time when the ice starts forming," he said. "It's kind of dangerous to be out. It's not really sturdy. And after it freezes there's always some open spots. Sometimes it doesn't freeze up until January."

These comments illustrate what the Arctic really is. The land of ice and snow is in fact a huge basin of floating sea-ice bordered by Greenland, Canada, Alaska, Siberia and Scandinavia. Sea ice exists all year round, but it thickens during the intensely cold Arctic winters, and melts away again during the long summer days of 24-hour sunlight.

But a warmer climate means that the summer melting period is getting longer - by about an extra five days every decade. As a result, the amount of sea ice left at the end of each summer has fallen significantly over the past 50 years. Using computer models, scientists at the Met Office predict the appearance of a totally ice-free North Pole by as soon as the summer of 2080, the fastest period of Arctic melting on record.

The polar bears and seals are not the only wildlife facing extinction. The Arctic is home to a unique range of marine animals, such as the narwhal with its long, unicorn-like tooth, the whiskered walrus and the white beluga whale. More than 150 species of fish are known to live in the Arctic Ocean, as do many rare birds such as auks and ivory gulls. Nobody can predict what an ice-free sea will do to them.

Signs that something was happening to the North Pole appeared in the late 1980s. The huge, nuclear-powered Russian ice-breaker, the Arctika, became the first surface ship to reach the geographic North Pole during a voyage in the summer of 1987. Now, it is common for tourists to sail to the North Pole through the thin summer ice.

Once, the Arctic was almost the sole preserve of the military. Its strategic position, straddling the top of the world between the two nuclear superpowers, meant that the region was a playground in which the cold warriors acted out their war games. The American nuclear-powered submarine USS Nautilus made the first under-ice journey to the North Pole in 1958. Russia, too, made secret forays, and Britain followed suit in 1971 with a voyage by HMS Dreadnought, the country's first nuclear-powered sub.

Unlike the old diesel-powered subs, which had to surface regularly to recharge their batteries, nuclear-powered vessels can stay underwater for much longer periods, making it possible to travel many thousands of miles beneath the thick sea ice. Occasionally, when the ice was thin enough, these submarines would surface, as Dreadnought did in 1971 near the geographic pole. Such stopovers boosted the morale of the crew, who could walk around or play football on top of the icecap.

The thickness of the polar ice was a critically important piece of information for the submarine captains. The Americans handed the task of calculating it to an "ice pilot", a naval officer with a knowledge of how to interpret the data from the submarine's upward-pointing sonar instruments. On British submarines, the task was carried out by a civilian scientist from the Scott Polar Research Institute in Cambridge. Peter Wadhams of the Dunstaffnage Marine Laboratory in Oban, who is also professor of ocean physics at Cambridge University, has probably carried out more Arctic submarine trips than any civilian scientist.

Wadhams, who grew up near the docks in Tilbury, Essex, had always yearned to go to sea. After graduation, he signed up for a scientific expedition that took him around the entire coastline of North and South America - the first ever circumnavigation of the Americas. The subject of his doctorate was the Arctic sea ice, a relatively unknown subject in the 1970s. Thirty years ago, the talk was not of global warming, but global cooling. "There was a somewhat irrational fear that the world was heading for another Ice Age," Wadhams recalls. Another Ice Age is indeed on the cards, but probably not for another 10,000 years or so.

This concern meant that sea ice came into vogue in the late 1960s. Iceland had experienced three consecutive years of being ice-bound. It feared that its ports would become as paralysed in winter as those used by Russia's Northern Fleet, based in the high Arctic port of Murmansk. Such was the fear of a new Ice Age that Iceland held an international conference on sea ice in 1971 - the last year, as it turned out, that its ports were to freeze up.

Wadhams had chosen his specialism wisely. There was still much to learn about the nature of the Arctic's sea ice, the precise physics of its formation and the role it played in the wider climate of the region, and indeed the world. But what began to emerge from the submarine data was to overshadow other scientific findings. By the 1990s, it was apparent that the Arctic ice was getting thinner. Two teams of scientists had come to almost identical conclusions about the state of the polar icecap.

The Americans analysed data from submarine trips made between 1958-76 and 1993-1997, and found that the sea ice had thinned by 42 per cent. The British found a similar degree of thinning - 43 per cent - when they compared sonar data gathered in 1976 and 1996. The latest estimates suggest that the Arctic sea-ice has reduced from an average thickness of four metres to about 2.7 metres over the past 30 years. Satellite pictures of the surface area of the ice confirmed an overall shrinking of ice cover of about 4 per cent per decade.

What's most worrying about the data gathered over the past few decades is that the process appears to be entirely one-way. The Arctic is now warming up at a rate eight times faster than at any time over the past century, according to Mark Serreze, a satellite analyst at the University of Colorado. Summer this year was as bad as that of 2002, which itself set a record for high temperatures. Summers are not only longer; they are warmer, with temperatures rising by about 1.2C each decade. "In other words, we have not seen a recovery; what we are seeing reinforces that general trend," says Serreze.

What does all this mean for the North Pole, the indigenous people of the Arctic and its wildlife? Wadhams says there will be winners and losers. Among the benefits will be the opening of the northern sea route to all-year shipping, shortening the shipping distance between Japan and Europe by thousands of miles and providing a huge boost to the economy of Russia, which will control the sea lanes.

Another possible benefit is the melting of the ice in the Barents Sea, probably the coolest, purest and richest sea in the world. With little or no all-year ice cover, marine life will benefit from an increase in sunlight and phytoplankton, triggering the growth of even richer fishing grounds for cod and other commercial species.

But Wadhams points to a darker side. He says that about 7 per cent of the Earth's surface is covered by sea ice, much of it in the Arctic. Without sea ice, the planet would be a very different place. "The ice-covered seas represent the cold end of the enormous heat engine that enables the Earth to have temperatures suitable for human life over most of its surface," he explains.

The greatest fear is that the melting of the Arctic could disturb the ocean currents that flow like conveyor belts carrying heat from one part of the globe to another. For Britain, the most important current is the Gulf Stream, which brings heat from the Caribbean and ensures relatively mild winters. Without this, Britain would suffer the same bitterly cold winters as Newfoundland, which is at the same latitude but does not benefit from the Gulf Stream.

What worries scientists is that the engine driving the global conveyor belt might shut down. For instance, when sea ice forms it rejects salt, causing salinity in the surrounding water to rise. This cold, dense water sinks to the seabed, allowing warmer, less salty water to move in at the surface, driving the overall movement of the conveyor belt. If sea ice fails to form the process could end - and indeed it is already showing signs of slowing down.

Wadhams says he has recorded the disappearance of one important geographical feature that has played a critical role in this process. The Odden ice tongue was a huge spit of ice that formed off eastern Greenland each winter. The ice produced by the annual growth of the tongue was important to the ocean's circulation - yet it has disappeared. "There probably won't ever be a recovery of the Odden ice tongue in the Greenland Sea. It was last seen in 1997," Wadhams says.

So the Arctic has changed in a single generation, and will continue to change for the foreseeable future. One day this century the ice at the North Pole in summer will disappear entirely - and its disappearance could mark the beginning of a far more serious change for the rest of the world.

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More data that SEÑOR Eduardo Ferreyra will undoubtedly attempt to refute. Remember, he says he has data that indicates 65% of the world's glaciers are advancing.

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posted 12-12-2003 10:43 AM               

Why the sky was red in "The Scream"?

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - For those who have ever wondered why the sky was a lurid red in "The Scream" -- Edvard Munch's painting of modern angst -- astronomers have an answer. They blame it on a volcanic eruption half a world away.

In the first detailed analysis of what inspired the painting, an article published on Tuesday in Sky and Telescope pinpointed the location in Norway where Munch and his friends were walking when the artist saw the blood-red sky depicted in the 1893 painting, and offered an explanation for why the sky seemed to be aflame.

Donald Olson, a physics and astronomy professor at Texas State University, and his colleagues determined that debris thrown into the atmosphere by the great eruption at the island of Krakatoa, in modern Indonesia, created vivid red twilights in Europe from November 1883 through February 1884.

The local newspaper in what is now Oslo reported that the phenomenon was widely seen, the astronomers said.

Olson and his colleagues suggest that Munch drew his inspiration for the sky in the painting from these volcanic twilights, and not from his own imagination.

The most famous version of "The Scream" was painted in 1893 as part of "The Frieze of Life," a group of works derived by Munch's personal experiences, including the deaths of his mother in 1868 and his sister in 1877. These works were created in the 1890s, but have established origins in earlier decades.

To reach their conclusion, the astronomers determined Munch's vantage point in the painting.

"One of the high points of our research trip to Oslo came when we rounded a bend in the road and realised we were standing in the exact spot where Munch had been 120 years ago," Olson recalled in a statement.

"It was very satisfying to stand in the exact spot where an artist had his experience," he said. "The real importance of finding the location, though, was to determine the direction of view in the painting. We could see that Munch was looking to the southwest -- exactly where the Krakatoa twilights appeared in the winter of 1883-84."

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It is interesting to note that the emotions depicted so graphically in Edvard Munch's "The Scream" were associated with an event that resulted in a worldwide, dramatic change in the atmosphere...one that people couldn't help but notice.

In that instance, it was the result of the eruption of a volcano on Krakatoa.

For some, the parallels with what is occuring today will be painfully obvious.

posted 12-12-2003 03:01 PM               

Sore Throat has brought an interesting subject into the discussion, and I think it applies to what we have been talking here.

Atmospheric and climates changes, provoked by natural causes – and man can do anything about it, but just stare, take cover, or move to warmer regions. Because in history we have never witnessed some civilization moving towards cooler regions due to any warming (there have been some during mankind existence), but the contrary is true.

People from Chicago have been moving to sunny Florida when retiring, starting when economic conditions in the US made it possible. You don’t see people from Miami moving to the Yukon territories when they retire. It’s human nature. We like warmth, we dislike cold. There might be some exceptions to this rule, of course, but exceptions confirm the rule.

The year of 1816 was called, “The year Without a Summer”, and Benjamin Franklin took abundant notes on the phenomenon, as well many other scientists at the time.

“A weak solar maximum, a major volcanic eruption, and possibly even the wobbling of the Sun conspired to make the summer of 1816 one of the most miserable ever recorded.”

This is the caption following the title of the beautiful webpage written by Willie Soon and Steven H. Yaskell. Soon is an astrophysicist in the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, and this article was published in Mercury, a magazine for astronomers. Dr. Soon, one of our permanent collaborators at FAEC, sent me the pdf file and I transformed it into a webpage. The results can be seen here:

http://mitosyfraudes.8k.com/Calen/Year1816.html

It has some very beautiful pictures, diagrams and notes taken by Thomas Jefferson in his home at Monticello, observing the phenomenon. Some excerpts from the article:

In the article there is the mention to reddish skies seen in Tucson after the Pinatubo, and the caption beneath the picture says:
“A sunset over Tucson, Arizona after the June 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo displays vivid colors and rays. People around the world saw even more pronounced effects following Tambora's catastrophic April 1815 eruption.” Courtesy of William C. Livingston (KPNSO).

"A third factor also could have played a role. During both the Dalton and the Maunder minima, the Sun shifted its place in the solar system — something it does every 178 to 180 years. During this cycle, the Sun moves its position around the solar system's center of mass. This particular trick of gravity is known as “inertial solar motion.” Scientists have not yet confirmed whether or not inertial solar motion affects Earth's climate directly, but it remains a possibility.”

This graph shows the annual count of sunspots from 1610 to 2000. Sunspot cycles average 11 years in length. But notice the deep drop in sunspot numbers during the Maunder and Dalton minima. Both minima were associated with global cooling. Courtesy of Tom Ford. Data courtesy of David Hathaway (NASA/MSFC). Sunspots are manifestations of solar magnetic activity. In general, the more sunspots there are, the more active the Sun is. Ironically, the Sun is usually brighter when a large number of sunspots mar its visible surface. Courtesy of William C. Livingston (Kitt Peak National Solar Observatory).

Read the article. It is excellent, and makes a very pleasant reading.


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posted 12-13-2003 01:20 PM               

"I have never denied there has been a warming in the last 140 years, starting about 1860. That is something everybody knows and accept."

"There is no such thing as a “general consensus” in any scientific field. And that has been the Golden Rule for centuries."

"As usual, ALL these press releases and new briefs use the potential and conditional tense as a rule. They NEVER say “it is sure”, “has been proved”, etc. They might frequently talk about scientific consensus, but consensus is not science. It is just prejudice. Consensus is claimed when the science behind the theory is not sufficiently good. So with the consensus excuse they try to avoid scientific discussion and troublesome questions. If it is hard science, it is not consensus. And if it is consensus, it is not science. It is marketing."

"the IPCC, the GISS, NASA, etc, are not doing science with the global warming and ozone hole issues, but merely using technological advances and equipment to push a political agenda. Smart people! The big press conferences – they say – and the whole media coverage is not science at all, but it merely show how good marketing is done. They are selling a product. An expensive one."

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Apparently SEÑOR Eduardo Ferreyra is the only one allowed to dictate that which is True, however inconsistent that may be.

Let's look at yet another of his quotes:

"statistics from the World Glacier Monitoring database speak of 65% of glaciers advancing in the world."

That's right, SEÑOR Eduardo Ferreyra claims that HIS analysis of the World Glacier Monitoring database indicates that the majority of the world's glaciers are "advancing".

The casual reader would rightly assume that SEÑOR Ferreyra's statement indicated that glacial mass is growing. A reasonable question would be whether an "advance", if that truly is the case, could rather indicate an accelerated rate of melting.

What is glaringly obvious is that despite his precise requirements for "peer reviewed scientific publications", SEÑOR Ferreyra has provided NONE that indicate that 65% of the world's glaciers are increasing in mass. Given the importance this issue has for evaluating global climate change, wouldn't you think that if there was such a paper, he would readily produce it to bolster his case?

So where is it? Where is a paper that says that 65% of the world's glaciers are growing?

Surely the World Glacier Monitoring program would have published such a FACT, if it were TRUE.

Another interesting aspect of SEÑOR Eduardo Ferreyra's analysis of the World Glacier Monitoring data, is how he appears to have overlooked data from Canada. Just who is "cherry picking"?

Human activity and the environment: Annual statistics

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/031203/d031203a.htm

"Since 1850, some 1,300 glaciers have lost between 25% and 75% of their mass, with most of this reduction occurring in the last 50 years. Along the eastern slope of the Rocky Mountains, glacier cover is receding rapidly, and total cover is now close to its lowest level in 10,000 years."

Do you expect SEÑOR Ferreyra to admit that he is wrong?

No chance.

What you can expect is for him to add yet another institution to his hit list of incompetents, much the same as he has just done with the respected scientific journals, Nature and Science. At this rate, all that he will consider appropriate is the aptly named "Junk Science" web site.

He alone is the self-appointed arbiter of Truth, and any and all who choose to question his judgment (and/or motivation) are on the take....motivated by "profit".

posted 12-13-2003 05:49 PM               

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Quotes by the "smiling" SEÑOR Eduardo Ferreyra:

"I have never denied there has been a warming in the last 140 years, starting about 1860. That is something everybody knows and accept."

"There is no such thing as a “general consensus” in any scientific field. And that has been the Golden Rule for centuries."

Appaarently SEÑOR Eduardo Ferreyra is the only one allowed to dictate that which is True, however inconsistent that may be.

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I could fill several pages of this forum with the names of highly respected scientists, intellectual personalities, political leaders, and so on, that say exactly what I am saying. But Poor Old Sore insists on making me look as a Lone Wolf, when I am part of a huge crowd of dissenters. What's worse, the warmer loonies are becoming less and less, and more desperate every day. They were losing their battle since it began because it was based on muddy and shoddy science. Now reality shows us they have lost it forever. The Kyoto Treaty is DEAD. Gone, Kaput. Bye Kyoto, bye warmers! Keep playing with your computerized toys, and keep vacationing in fancy beaches and sophisticated places attending your climate change conventions.

And course, this was becasue this Lone Wolf, lost in the cold, was talking against global warming! Ha! Poor Old Sore makes me laugh!

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"Since 1850, some 1,300 glaciers have lost between 25% and 75% of their mass, with most of this reduction occurring in the last 50 years. Along the eastern slope of the Rocky Mountains, glacier cover is receding rapidly, and total cover is now close to its lowest level in 10,000 years."
Do you expect him to admit that he is wrong? No chance.

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posted 12-13-2003 08:22 PM               

It souldn't be too hard to comment the writings of the only person in the world that is speaking against Global warming. It seems Poor Old Sore has been hiding in the Bushes (no pun intended) for throwing his stones at me from the dark.

From: Alvo v. Alvensleben
Date: Sunday, December 07, 2003 09:01:11
To : shuara@fullzero.com.ar
Subject: RE: Heat wave in Europe

Dear Mr. Ferreyra,

Mr. Paul informed me about your request concerning my article "Kohlendioxid und Klima".

I found it interesting to learn that you are the translator for John Daly's articles. It must be a lot of work! John Daly is my favorite author in the field of climate science and debunking scientific junk in this field.

I would like to draw your attention to John Daly's articles "Hotter sun = warmer Earth" and the article about the melting of the Kilimanjaro glacier - both masterpieces of scientific analyses, created by a non-scientist - who is ignored by almost all German climatologists because he is not a Professor or Doctor. I have baptized him the "Sherlock Holmes" of climate science. He has debunked many, many junk articles in climate science, and it is always enjoyable to read his sharp-witted and well formulated contributions.

With kind regards
Alvo von Alvensleben
Freiburg, Germany
(Diplom-Physiker)
alvo9.alvensleben@t-online.de

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From: H.A.Paul@t-online.de
Dear president Ferreyra:

I would appreciate your informing me about the point in time when your basically highly useful article at John Daly's web-site is going to be updated. The document will serve the German association BLS (landscape protection) for its struggle against wind turbines.

Yours faithfully

Hartmut A. Paul
Kreuzbergstr. 34
77709 Wolfach, Germany

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