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Mech
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posted 05-11-2004 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EXCLUSIVE
Mexican DoD Acknowledges
UFOs In Mexico
By Santiago Yturria
syturria@intercable.net

©2004-SANTIAGO YTURRIA


5-11-4

The UFO Phenomenon in Mexico has been recognized as a fact in an historic and unprecedent decision taken by the mexican Department of Defense under his Secretary of Defense General Clemente Vega Garcia, commander of all armed forces in this country.

The insolit meassure that will change history here in Mexico was the result of a high level incident in wich a mexican Air Force airplane, military pilots and personal were involved in a situation with several UFOs while doing a routinary suveillance antinarcotics operation to detect a drug smuggling flight.

The news was released last night, Sunday May 9, 2004 by Jaime Maussan, researcher and tv journalist during the tv show Los Grandes Misterios del Tercer Milenio (Great Misteries of the Third Millenium) broadcast by mexican tv network Multimedios Television in the city of Monterrey, N.L.

Jaime Maussan announced that on Tuesday May 11 there will be an international press conference to present the case and the investigation made by the Department fo Defense along with Maussan's research team in an unprecedent colaboration. The press conference will take place at the Hotel Sevilla Palace in Mexico city at 11:00 AM were all the international media representatives have been invited. Previously on Monday's night an advance report will be broadcast on national television newscast.

All the facts and materials of the investigation will be presented at the conference including the official footages by the Air Force as well as interviews with the pilots and personal involved in the amazing incident.

THE FACTS:

On April 20, 2004 Jaime Maussan was contacted by a high officer of the Department of Defense to have a private meeting and discuss a subject of a high relevant matter. The next day Maussan met General Clemente Vega Garcia, Secretary of Defense and his major staff and was informed about an incident that took place on March 5, 2004 on the aerial space of Ciudad del Carmen, Campeche where an Air Force Merl?n C26A Bimotor airplane was doing a routinary flight to detect a smuggling drug airplane during an antinarcotics operation.

The Merlin C26A was equipped with a high tech advanced digital equipment to register and record all the activities during the operation. Powerful sensor detectors like a FLIR STAR ZAPPHIR II and a RADAR AN/PS 143 BRAVO VICTOR 3 were being used by qualified personal aboard the airplane and all the operation was being recorded both in normal and infrared mode.

The airplane was under the command of Mayor Magdaleno Jasso N??ez. The FLIR operator was Lt. Mario Adri?n V?zquez and the RADAR operator Lt. German Ramirez, all of them members of the 501 Aerial Squadron.

This airplane is programmed only for surveillance and detection procedures, not for interception or combat maneuvres. Their duty is to detect and identify drug dealers filghts and then inmediately report them to the base where combat planes are scrambled to intercept those narcotics smugglers.

C26A crew members/eye witnesses


At aproximately 17:00 PM the Merlin C26A detected an unknown traffic at 10,500 feet over Ciudad del Carmen, Campeche airspace and according to the protocol and suspecting a drug dealer airplane Mayor Magdaleno Jasso made a maneuver to approach the unidentified traffic at certain range to get a close look and record the target with their equipment. At the same time Mayor Jasso reported by radio to the base that a posible suspect was detected requesting the interceptor planes to be in alert condition.

The RADAR AN/PS 143 BRAVO VICTOR 3 was detecting the unknown traffic and the FLIR STAR ZAPPHIR II was recording the object in infrared. As the Merlin C26A tried to approach the unknown traffic to make a visual identification it suddenly in a surprising maneuver escaped flying away at tremendous speed. By this time Mayor Jasso tried to persecute the target but it was very fast. All this was being recorded by the FLAIR and also the radio conversations with the base describing the inexpected maneuver of the unknown. However the C26A still have not made visual contact with the unknown object.


Just some moments passed when suddenly the unknown object returned and began following the Merlin C26A in a surprising situation. This was detected by the RADAR and the FLIR while the personal aboard were trying to make visual contact of the unidentified traffic now following them. In seconds the equipment detected now not only one but two traffics following them. The images in both RADAR and the FLIR were clear and unmistakable. But both pilot and personal still could'nt have visual contact with these two traffics following them adding a great suspense to this disconcerting situation.

Mayor Magdaleno Jasso reported to the base the insolit incident that was taking place giving detail of all the informations registered by the equipment while keep trying to make visual contact of the unknowns. The FLIR kept recording in infrared every movement made by the two unknown objects that seemed to be keeping their distance from the C26A but still following it. The personal aboard the Merlin C26A were confused and disconcerted seeing the images on the FLIR and the RADAR asking themselves what was going on with this insolit situation.



THE INCIDENT TURNS MORE DRAMATIC

But the stressing moment that the C26A crew were passing through was just the beguinning of something more dramatic that will turn their undesirable experience into a real nightmare.

Some minutes passed while the mexican Air Force Merlin C26A crew continued making maneuvers to have a visual contact of the unknowns because despite both RADAR and FLIR were showing perfectly clear both unidentified objects for unexplained reasons there was not a visual contact even that the objects by this time were at close range.

It was during this round and round maneuvers to identify these two objects that something amazing happened. In a matter of seconds more unknown objects arrived to the scene and the disconcert of the C26A crew was total.

The RADAR and the FLIR detected immediately the presence of nine new objects of the same size and characteristics, unknown objects that arrived to the scene surprisingly like coming from nowhere. Now the situation has entered into a high level of danger so Mayor Magdaleno Jasso reported by radio to the base this new situation requesting instructions.

But the most insolit thing was that even that there were eleven unknown objects close to them still the crew could'nt see them, no visual contact with the unknowns was posible for some reason never experienced before by these high trained men. However the high tech sophisticated equipment and sensors were not lying, there were eleven targets outside them with unpredictable intentions.

At the middle of a complete confusion and disconcert among the C26A crew the unknown objects suddenly made a maneuver surrounding the mexican Air Force airplane in a circle at close range. The RADAR and FLIR presented an insolit image of an eleven objects near by in a circle formation around the Merlin C26A. The situation turned out of control.

Mayor Magdaleno Jasso reported to the base that the C26A situation was now in red alert, surrounded by eleven mysterious round shaped objects camouflaged with a certain unknown advanced technology that avoid any visual contact of them. However Mayor Jasso kept the calm as well as the crew who were working fast meassuring and recording every detail of this unique incident conscientious of their duty as military and trained men.

Confronting this situation surrounded by unidentified objects in an unpredictable ending Mayor Magdaleno Jasso took the decision of turning out all the airplane lights and wait to see what happened. Moments of high suspense lived by the crew while the FLIR was recording the images of those bright objects even that visual contact was not posible, moments of silence and uncertainty.

The C26A crew kept calmed doing their duty, documenting every moment of the strange incident while Mayor Jasso continued in contact with the base. After some stressing minutes the eleven objects dissapeared giving an end to the strange experience that these members of the 501 Aerial Squadron just lived. The Merlin C26A returned safe to the Air Force Base and Mayor Magdaleno Jasso prepared a complete report of the incident along with the C26A crew.

The Secretary of the Defense took notice of Mayor Jasso's report and began a full investigation studying and evaluating every element of the case. Statements of the crew, images, lectures, meassurements of all the equipment as well as a complete evaluation of the meteorological data . The incident was taken very seriously by the Department of Defense Staff and after several weeks of investigation they decided under the command of General Clemente Vega Garcia to contact researcher and tv journalist Jaime Maussan for a special colaboration in this investigation as an experienced researcher in these matters.

On April 22, 2004 General Clemente Vega, Secretary of Defense gave Jaime Maussan a copy of all the tapes and data collected by the Merlin C26A during the incident for study, evaluation and analisis by Maussan's research team as complement of this investigation and as an external colaborating source trying to establish a definition of the posible motives and consequences of the March 5, 2004 incident.

General Vega as well as his staff were very open to discuss the subject and showed their legitimate interest in conducting this investigation in order to establish the truth of what happened. General Vega authorized the Merlin C26A crew to give Jaime Maussan the interviews needed without any censorship, giving all the facilities to present this case to the mexican people, an historic and unprecedent decision that will open a new era of mutual colaboration among the mexican ufologists and the military forces, a colaboration based in respect and interest to find the truth of the intense UFO activity we have been experiencing here in Mexico since the beguinning of the Amazing Mexican UFO Wave back in July 11, 1991.

This new era of relationship among the mexican UFO witnesses, skywatchers, ufologists and our military forces will try to establish and give form to a new legislation in our law system focused to be prepared for any incident involving these unidentified flying objects, our people, our comercial and military airplanes etc. for learning and understanding what are we going to do and how are we going to confront this reality.

Santiago Yturria
MEXICO.

TECHNICAL DATA

DATE: March 5, 2004
TIME: 17:00 PM to 17:30 pm
EVENT: On Comision
LOCATION: Aerial Space Ciudad del Carmen, Campeche Mexico at
10,500 Fts.
COORDINATES: LAT N 18° 26.60? : LON W 90° 45.69?
SENSOR EQUIPMENT: FLIR STAR ZAFIRO II
RADAR AN/PS 143 BRAVO VICTOR 3
DETECTION RATIO: 50 miles
FLIR RANGE: - 40°C till more than 1,500°C
CAMERA LENS: GERMANIO
AIRPLANE: Merlin C26A Bimotor

OFFICERS
Navigation Captain: Magdaleno Jasso Nu?ez
FLIR Operator : Lt. Mario Adrian Vasquez
RADAR Operator: Lt. German Ramirez
Members of the 501 Aerial Squadron

GENERAL CONDITIONS:

The located zone was in optimal meteorological conditions, winds no bigger than 35 kms. / hour, relative humidity of 72% and a temperature average of 34° C. At 10,500 Fts. temperature average -27° C and a visibility average of 96%.

The region does'nt register volcanic activity nor teutonics movements. There was not detection of electric current storage and distribution of importance.

On the basis of the previous thing there were not found sources of electric magnetic phenomenons by electric centrals or sismic movements. There were not found posibilities of any Ball of Fire effect caused by volcanic activity.

There were not registries of solar storms in that moments or relevant solar explosions. Therefore the posibilities of ionization luminic effects like St. Elmo Fire or electric storms were discarded. Study and Analisis elaborated by Rodolfo Garrido Cotham according to the Merlin C26A digital equipment data.




[Edited 2 times, lastly by Mech on 05-20-2004]

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Bhang
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posted 05-15-2004 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bhang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was very excited about this story because it was in the Army's "Stars and Stripes" newspaper and stated that the Mexican Airforce publicly admitted that these were ufos and never even mentioned that it "might" be secret planes used by the US or anyother country for that matter. It was so cool to have the soilders here come up to me and say things like "Hey did you see the paper? There is an atricle about UFO's" many people came to me because I'm always talking about this stuff. It was cool to have a sorce of information that the "sheep" would accept into their little worlds.

Now they don't think I'm as crazy as they thought.

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fortis
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posted 05-15-2004 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fortis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whatever they are, they are currently UFOs because by definition they are flying objects that are unidentified. Unless the Mexican airforce is able to identifiy them, then the only option that they had was to describe them as UFOs. Once, or if, they are identified then that is a different matter.

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Catnip57
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posted 05-16-2004 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catnip57     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I had to laugh at this statement...
Quote Bhang:It was cool to have a sorce of information that the "sheep" would accept into their little worlds.

It would be nice to believe that the "sheep" could think for themselves... I found this next story though that says they're already trying to cover up the UFO's by explaining them away as weather balloons... sadly I bet lots of people will buy this explaination without a second thought...

Mexico Coverup Begins!
UFOs Were 'Weather Balloons'
From Scott Corrales
Institute Of Hispanic Ufology
5-13-4


Source: Foundacion Cosmos AC
May 12, 2004

Skeptics Say UFOs Could Be Weather Balloons

The "Sociedad Astronomica Urania" of the state of Morelos explains the possible origin of the UFOs seen over Campeche.

The Sociedad Astronomica Urania of the state of Morelos said that the video presented by the Mexican Air Force could have a scientific explanation if we consider that given the shape and displacement of the 14 objects filmed, these appear to be a group of weather balloons, such as the thousands launched daily from universities, research centers or airports.

The astronomica society claimed that this type of obejct is frequently confused by commercial or military pilots with UFOs given the strong air currents that convey them and the lack of references which would enable to determine their distance and size.

Regarding the UFO video presented on television, the society stated that more prosaic explanations could account for what was recorded by pilots of the Mexican Air Force.

Translation (C) 2004. Scott Corrales, IHU. Special thanks to Ing. Marco Reynoso, Fundacion Cosmos



Mexican UFO Sighting No Big Deal Says Analyst
CTV.ca News Staff
5-12-4


Mexico's Defence Department is confirming that images of 11 unidentified flying objects were captured by Mexican air force pilots.

But a Canadian space observer says that while the objects are unidentified, one cannot go much further than that.
"The question is what kind of object or objects are these," Ivan Semeniuk of the Discovery Channel told CTV Newsnet.

A videotape made available to the media Tuesday showed bright objects, some like sharp points and others more like headlights, moving rapidly.

The images were taken March 5 by pilots using infrared equipment. They were conducting an otherwise normal anti-drug trafficking surveillance flight over the state of Campeche.

Reports indicate the lights surrounded the plane. Only three objects showed up on the aircraft's radar.

"... We are looking at flashing lights and they interview the pilot; he speaks about these things tracking along with him and moving at extremely high speeds," Semeniuk said.

"That is where the skepticism kicks in: No way to know how far away these things are or in fact how fast they were moving."

Semeniuk said the images aren't that different from the debris of the Mir spacecraft returning to earth.

Asked what test would have to be applied to determine whether such a UFO flight was conducted by extra-terrestrial beings, Semeniuk said there are two:

"One is that there has to be no other explanation and the second is that it has to be seen by large numbers of credible observers."

With the Mexican sighting, there is only one point of view, "so this doesn't come out any stronger than numerous other reports that we have seen like this in the past," he said.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1084326182
029_16/?hub=TopStories

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Bhang
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posted 05-17-2004 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bhang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why can't people just let it go? I think the majority of the world is ready to accept the fact that we are not alone in this huge universe. Some people will stop at no end to cover this stuff up. Now I'm on the look out in the Stars and Stripes for a weather ballon story...

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Archon
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Ah, Bhang, yes of course,


the elaborate underground network of 'greys', the dulce base, los alamos, sandia labs, norad, roswell, whitesands, area 51.... alas there must be some aliens out there.... right?

I think you're wrong.

DO other lifeforms exist outside our planet, or solar system. I think they probably do. Although I have no frickin' idea. The fact is, if you look at technological advances in computing, medicine, or even simple day to day living.. it's not hard to understand the technology that the US now has.

I could write a book on this subject but I'll keep it short and sweet for you. You see, as my counterparts have attempted to elucidate here-in previously, there are many technologies contained by our government which would enable such anamolies as time-travel, anti-gravitation, and translucency. Of course simply typing this makes me look like a qwack, so no harm, no foul. Perhaps there are genetic mutilations at dulce, not to mention many sophisticated aircraft.. But I assure you there are no 'greys' there.

;?

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Mech
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posted 05-18-2004 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think NONE of us know.

I tend to think IF there ARE aliens, greys, reptilians,nephiliam or otherwise..they are most likely OUTSIDE of our frequency or on another dimensional plane WE can't see. Perhaps they (if they exist) have an ability to shift between frequencies to disquise themselves...much in the same way if you tune a radio past its station frequency...that station "disappears" but is still there.


I haven't committed yes or no on the extraterrestrial question.

I DO believe there is the possibilty of an existance outside of our own plain old 3-d waking consciousness we can't access because it is beyond our ability to observe it.

Remember that 90% or more of the Universe is made up of "Dark Matter"

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posted 05-19-2004 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bhang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Archon:

Seems you take particular interest in my posts... have we met?

Look at the accounts of sailors from the 15 an 1600's. If you research you will find that large objects have been seen falling from heaven hitting the waters and traveling under the boats - all the while glowing. There are hundreds of these accounts but maybe you are right and it was just the CIA playing around with their time machine... yeah right. The others are here and have been for a long time and untill it is shown on prime time or plastered all over the front page you will go on living with that veil over thine eyes.

Besides porn - what is the most popular subject on the net? UFO's/Aliens! So you mean to tell me that billions of people are interested in a hoax? Not everyone is that stoopid. Have you even gotten your hands on the Disclosure Project yet? What about ruins on Mars or lights on the dark side of the moon reported by Astronaughts?

I figure you are here to debunk.

If not then you need to read up buddy. Legit witnesses from around the globe would bet their souls that Aliens are real and do interact with us.
I agree with Mech's theory that they operate on a higher freq and are therefore extra-dimensional.

Archon, if you are not who I suspect you might be , then I vaule your opinon and diffrent points of view but your style seems very reminissent of another I went rounds with and honestly I'm not through with.

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Catnip57
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From what I've read about the Abduction phenomenon there are a lot of people being victimized by these "greys"... and if they don't exist, well we've got an even bigger problem then I would suppose...

If extrodinary man made technology exists to the point of convincing thousands that they are being abducted by aliens...well that's a very profound weapon of deception in my opinion... Just what would be the eventual purpose for that weapon? Perhaps a mass hallucination event designed for mass mind control?

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Mech
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posted 05-20-2004 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote



Sure look like UFO's to me.

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Archon
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God, if only you people would have looked at the numerous posts in this forum........ there is a wealth of information that thermit is hiding here-in. Many of my colleagues have posted information here that would blow your fucking mind.

The whole grey theory is a hoax. Believe me or don't. I have traveled the underlabryinth... i have seen every level of dulce, I have studied with sandia, los alamos, and UCSF.... it's all USAF/DARPA technology..

even the orbs.......... the orbs are the Nro... these orbs you see are the same anomalies that create these elaborate crop circles. Again allow me to explain I believe in ET life, but we have yet to encounter it on our planet. Yes, such threats loom, and why do you think we have HAARP, HIPAS, SETI, SABRE, ETCI, or any of thes ET defense mechanisms. There are no ETs here yet. Do the research that A-T has posted here over years, amongst his colleagues. These sightings are simply a work of a handful of organiZations including the nSA, the dtic, the nro, the dia, and of course, DARPA.

My god it would be less controversial if these numbnut agencies would just tell the truth. and why don't they? Because the disclosure of such technology would lead to the extinction of many profitable economical industries... such as electricity, gas, oil..etc...

We can maintain the illussion and have the average american generate our pseudo hitler regime........ or we can come clean and become the next neutral norway of the world.... begging to be overcome by someone bigger and badder. The sad thing is..... we are only mammals........ and being that as it may we are still a part of a physical food chain. I'm not saying it's right.......... but I'm saying we... the U.S., we are winning the battle of attrition,.. at least some of us.

It's unfortunate that humanity has come to such a level.... a rat race..........

The disregard of human prosperity in exchange for personal or financial gain...

But this is what the world is now.... and we cannot change it without unified numbers......... so are you really in... or do you just talk alot?

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Mech
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posted 05-22-2004 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"But this is what the world is now.... and we cannot change it without unified numbers......... so are you really in... or do you just talk alot?"


Sounds like something an agent provacatuer would say.

What do you expect people to do? Something Illegal?

I'm doing my part...both on and off the internet...even what I do for a living...how about you?

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Bhang
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Archon:
quote:
I have traveled the underlabryinth... i have seen every level of dulce, I have studied with sandia, los alamos, and UCSF.... it's all USAF/DARPA technology..

Well then... I think you need to start breaking it down for those of us who have been "brainwashed" into believeing that ET is here. You have obviously been to these places (because you have told us so) and now I think it is time to explain in futher detail what is really going on, oh wise Archon

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...Even though the large craft was approaching the field the players stayed focused on the game....



Christy
:-)


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Archon
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LoL 'christy'...

I favor your innuendo. That is very cute.

Bhang,

I don't know what to tell you. Obviously anything I say you will consider complete bullshit. I can't say that I blame you. This is only a forum on the internet. Anybody could say anything. However, there have been developments occuring at groomlake for years which maintain direct courses throghout az, ut, nm, nv, and mexico for years. Now these 'lights' you see may not be lights at your local softball game... but they may be GPA orbs coming directly out of darpa HQ at groomlake or the lab at whitesands. They are EHF xmissions which are the true application of ether. Imagine that application of data transfer over bb service, now amplify that times 200. This is what generates not only these mysterious orbs, but also what so easily carves these mysterious crop circles. In the airforce we worked with biological process control....... a type of wavelength that could do many extraordinary things. What you are seeing is an advanced application of electromagnetic waves....... one that wouldn't be possible without the contribution of James Clerk Maxwell...

Anyway, what do I know.... I'm just some poor sap who gains egocentric excitation from lying on some silly conspiracy forum.
;D

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