posted 12-03-2003 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by julianpenrod:
Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net

November 28, 2003

Letters to the Editor

To all:

A facet of investigation in chemtrails is HAARP - the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Project - and how it may interact with weather. One of these concerns is the effect on the formation of clouds. And that brings in such topics as “HAARP clouds”.

Clouds putatively shaped by HAARP radio waves include those that have distinct ridged or wavy appearances. It is supposed that radio waves from HAARP affect the formation or status of a cloud, causing waves to form in its structure. Debunkers try to dismiss unusual wave formations in clouds by invoking “gravity waves”, or, perhaps, suggesting a sympathetic interaction, between the material of clouds and winds. Observations, though, do not always - or ever - necessarily comport with these suggestions.

On Thursday, November 27, 2003, for example, there was heavy cloud over West Caldwell from about noon on. At about 3:30 p.m., I took the picture shown below. There are no less than two, and possibly three, wave trains visible in it, and they are in different directions to each other! The view is about southwest, so the two most prominent waves seem to be north-south, the other, about 90º to it, at about east-west. The third seems to be from slightly north of east top slightly south of west. It does not seem easy for “gravity waves” or interactions with the wind to create this kind of formation.

Julian Penrod

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OK, Julian, please explain something to me. How are the clouds “shaped by HAARP radio waves?:

You state that: “It is supposed that radio waves from HAARP affect the formation or status of a cloud, causing waves to form in its structure.”

Now as I understand electromagnetic waves, the length of time it take for a singe cycle (a hill and a trough) to pass by is referred to as the frequency, with one Hertz being equal to 1 cycle per second. 10 hertz = 10 cycles per second, 1 megahertz = a million cycles per second. Furthermore the size of the wavelength is directly proportional to the frequency.

Therefore a radio wave in the AM band has a wavelength of about 100 meters, which would be about right for the size of your cloud ripples. Unfortunately the frequency is still about 1 megahertz. Therefore a million of those peaks and valleys are traveling by you each second. They don’t seem to be moving that fast up in the sky. Can you explain this?

posted 02-11-2004 10:16 PM               

February 11, 2004

To all:

Wolf_Larson wonders how HAARP waves could have caused wave patterns in clouds, much less the intersecting pattern of waves that I photographed. They represent electromagnetic waves as travelling too fast to have produced a wave in a cloud, since that would mean it would have to oscillate very rapidly. They then demonstrate facts about electromagnetic radiation with a child's type science textbook illustration.

However, that is overlooking the phenomenon of a "standing wave", a combination of waves that interact in such a way as to produce an unmoving pattern of highs and lows. Diffraction patterns are examples of this. Using a collection of antennas, as HAARP does, providing a number of interacting waves would be quite simple. And that is not counting the possibility of some other phenomenon being utilized.

The alternative is to suggest that two winds were blowing at 90 degrees to each other, which is not only unlikely, but, with the clouds not, apparently, moving that swiftly, seems completely unreasonable. Other photographs show cloud formations, close to that time, not moving at all.

The possibility of there being some utterly novel phenomenon occurring, though, should not be dismissed. And the reason is as much with the process of determining what is happening, as with actually finding it out. A common tactic of the "debunkers" is to challenge chemtrail opponents to describe completely what is happening. If they cannot answer every single question, and show every nut and bolt, they spontaneously declare that that "proves" there's nothing going on, and they shouldn't make any complaints! Not being familiar with any undisclosed collection of methodologies or phenomena does not discount your being able to recognize those phenomena when they are occurring! In fact, chemtrail opponents do not boast familiarity with all the substances available to the government, or how they behave under different circumstances, but that doesn't mean that, if they do cause an unusual situation, that those abnormal conditions cannot be recognized as such! This is one of the perversions of tautology that the "debunkers" often resort to!

There is no reason not to assume that the government is capable of producing phenomena by means that have never been acknowledged openly! And, in fact, what is displayed in the photograph may be some exotic new manifestation. Not to know the full panoply of methodologies open to the government is not to prove that they don't exist, and it does not make it more "legitimate" to ascribe a bizarre manifestation to some unspecified combination of normal phenomena. What chemtrail opponents say, basically, is that what they are seeing is, often, completely beyond the normal that they once knew! That, in fact, is a fundamental tenet of the opponents, namely, that things are not the way they remember them! And all the carefully selected - if not doctored - photographs depicting "chemtrails in the past" that "debunkers" bring forward will not change the fact that the opponents don't remember them! Although, to be sure, whatever number they have come up with until now utterly pales in the light of the multitude of such photos being shot every day, now! And, during the Cold War, when jet engines were, supposedly, dirtier than today, and many are represented as sensitive to the idea of a "sneak attack", there is little reason to assume that huge numbers of people wouldn't lodge calls with their local police and airport, complaining, if they see such displays in their skies. The "debunkers" may manage to "locate" such previously unacknowledged reports, after my bringing this up, but their never having "found" them before will put the lie to whatever they try to say!

But chemtrail opponents should not be shy about saying that they don't know what may be causing a phenomenon that they see. It does not discredit their report of the phenomenon having occurred not to be able to say what caused it! Their not remembering it in the past is not insufficient to consider an event anomalous! It is enough not to have any memory, or past evidence, of an event, to declare it "unusual"! Not having any memory, or evidence, of something happening in the past, in fact, defines it as "abnormal"! And that is what they are saying about chemtrails, that they are an abnormality!

Wolf_Larson's included cartoonish diagram demonstrates another technique used by the "debunkers", namely, to try to inculcate a sense of immaturity or lack of education among chemtrail opponents! They need only have indicated some of the numbers associated with wavelength and frequency of electromagnetic waves.

To avoid the unscrupulous finding success, it does help to acknowledge the methods that they employ.

posted 02-11-2004 10:54 PM            

I have been postulating such an occurrence as Standing Waves or Frequency Modulation as it pertains to HAARP. Living in Jersey City, I have seen the same cloud anomalies as you've photographed.

Low frequency pulses can exert tremendous force. The French had worked on a weapon that literally made the enemy crap in their pants! I kid you not. The directed electromagnetic pulse would disrupt the digestive system, much like the rumbling bass at a concert, albeit much more power and lower in frequency.

There's a strange effect in mixing music also. If you take 8 tracks of low tones like basses, cellos, etc, and don't roll off the bottom end of each, the combined frequencies will produce harmonics that replicate rapidly.

High frequencies do not combine the same. You can add piccolos, flutes, and snares much easier, without as much harmonic overtone.

I still say, by modulating HAARP, or other high decibel research, low frequencies can be used like FM digital synthesis. In other words, simple sine waves can be counter-modulated to produce destructive tones, even earthquakes in theory. This was Tesla's idea, to use tones to stop earthquakes. It seems like greed took over the gentle Tesla's ideas, and the same technology used for de-evolutionary concepts.

http://tyala.freeyellow.com/2fmsynth.htm

How it relates to HAARP. Scroll down a bit...There’s HAARP section.

http://spinspace.com/biophysics/vibtheory.htm

I deal with FM synthesis everyday.