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under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001

posted 10-23-2001 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Smallpox severity and infectiousness

CHAPTER THREE Bacteria Inc---Cimex Lectularius

"acute infectious disease"--Encylopedia Britannica (2000)

"Perhaps the greatest evil of immunization lies in its diversion of public attention from true methods of disease prevention. It encourages public authorities to permit all kinds of sanitary defects and social problems to remain undressed, particularly in schools. It ignores the part played by food and sunlight and many other factors in the maintenance of health. It exaggerates the risk of diphtheria and works upon the fear of parents. The more it is supported by public authorities, the more will its dangers and disadvantages be concealed or denied." M. Meadow Bayly, M.R.C.S., 1944

To test the effectiveness of natural immunity versus vaccination, the nonvaccinated Kingston Clinic staff challenged six vaccinated doctors to join them, in 1936, in a smallpox isolation unit. The doctors had the very good sense not to accept the offer.

"Smallpox is considered one of the most virulent of contagious diseases, and it is generally believed that persons exposed are almost invariably attacked, unless protected by vaccination. This is one of the most stupendous exaggerations to be found in medical literature. My experience has been that very few people take it when exposed to it."--John Tilden MD

"Dr Campbell discovered smallpox was caused by the bite of a bedbug..and the degree of severity of the disease was directly proportional to the cachexia (general ill health and malnutrition) of the patient...He spoke of "scorbutic cachexia" relating it to scurvy, "the disease caused by lack of green food" and said "the removal of this perversion of nutrition will so mitigate the virulence of this malady as positively to prevent the pitting or pocking of smallpox." (Immunization p54. Bacteria Inc by Cash Asher 1949)------Walene James:

"Dr. Bridges, in his Report, observes that "of 796 visitors who paid 1118 visits, only 3 were afterwards admitted into the hospital with small-pox." Mr. Sweeting, of the Fulham Hospital, writes :" 33 patients were visited by 48 persons, who made altogether 76 visits; only one of the visitors was afterwards admitted with small-pox." ...Dr. Bernard, of the Stockwell Hospital, writes :" 1056 visits were paid into the wards of the hospital. It is interesting to be able to say that, as far as I have heard, no one caught small-pox thereby;"---The Fable of the Smallpox Nurses and Revaccination
"As a matter of fact, perhaps it is safe to say that not more than 10 per cent of the people ever would take smallpox if sleeping in the same bed with an infected smallpox victim."--Dr Hay

"Both Press and Radio continue to preach that smallpox is a terribly infectious and deadly scourge. They never tell us that " - . - provided no mischief be done either by physician or nurse, it is the most safe and slight of all diseases". (Dr. Thomas Sydenham, 1688).--Lionel Dole

"For years Dr. Matthew J. Rodermund, MD of Wisconsin, USA, offered $10,000 to anyone who could prove scientifically that smallpox is contagious. Nobody ever claimed the money. Dr Charles A.A. Campbell, MD of San Antonio, USA, who was for years in charge of an isolation hospital made exhaustive experiments in order to demonstrate that smallpox is contagious, but found that this is not the case."--Keki Sidhwa ND

"Dr Rodermund, a physician in the state of Wisconscin, created a sensation by smearing his body with the exudate of smallpox sores in order to demonstrate to his medical colleagues that a healthy body could not be infected with the disease. He was arrested and quaratined in jail, but not before he had come into contact with many people. Not a single case of smallpox developed through this "exposure"....I have ...handled intimately thousands of cases of contagious diseases, and I do not remember a single instance where any of us was the least affected by such contact."---Henry Lindlahr MD (Philosophy of Natural Therapeutics p 39).

An Obstinate Baby---At a public meeting held in the Town Hall, Derby, March 2, 1871, a working man caused much amusement by asking Dr Greaves how it was that when four out five of his children were down with smallpox, the fifth, unvaccinated, would not take the disease, although placed between two of the others in bed.

"In a recent number of the Leicester Free Press, it is said :" So far as we are concerned in Leicester, a town containing 120,000 inhabitants, with many thousands of unvaccinated children, smallpox seems to be about the least dangerous of all diseases, and is not to be named by the side of scarlet fever, measles, whooping cough, diarrhoea, or even consumption. If a case of small-pox is discovered, instant isolation is adopted, and during the last five years we have hardly had five deaths. That being the state of the case, one need not wonder that the fear of the disease should disappear, or that resistance to vaccination should increase."--William Tebb 1881

"Dr. Russell T. Trall, the eminent Natural Hygienist, considered smallpox "as essentially . . . not a dangerous disease." He cared for large numbers of patients afflicted with smallpox and never lost a case. Under conventional medical treatment, patients were drugged heroically, bled profusely, were smothered in blankets, wallowed in dirty linen, were allowed no water, fresh air and stuffed with milk, brandy or wine. Antimony and Mercury were medicated in large doses. Physicians kept their patients bundled up warm in bed, with the room heated and doors and windows carefully closed, so that not a breath of fresh air could get in, and given freely large doses of drugs to induce sweating (Sudorifics), plus wine and aromatized liquors. Fever patients were put into vaporbath chambers in order to sweat the impurities out of the system. Given no water when they cried for it and when gasping for air were carried to a dry-hot room and after a while were returned to the steam torture. Many must have died of Heat Stroke!"--Dr Shelton DC

"During the Brighton smallpox outbreak (1950-51), the usual BBC encephalitis campaign opened with an anonymous doctor assuring the world, with authoritative emphasis, that "smallpox is the most infectious disease known to Man"! The BBC had evidently never heard of influenza. During the smallpox outbreak of 1961-2, on the other hand, we heard medical officers of health saying on the radio such things as, "After all, smallpox is not such a very infectious disease." This would have been held to be pure blasphemy only a few years ago. May the good work go on!"--Lionel Dole

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Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts

Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 10-23-2001 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The most recent source cited in that article is 30 years old. And even if you happen to catch smallpox, chances are, you won't die of it. But you won't catch me in a room with someone who has contagious smallpox.

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posted 10-23-2001 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the recent revelations that the source of the AIDS outbreaks in africa and in gays was caused by contaminated hepatitus b vaccines, couple that with the recent smallpox scare and the US government starting to talk about vaccinateing all of us against smallpox~ oh and then the digital angel injection chipping technology too boot
well George Orwell had nothing on our government~~~~~~~
i guess a person would have to trust the government

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2553 posts, Dec 2000

posted 10-23-2001 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
after all...
our best interest and utmost safety is their prime concern

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Milwaukee, WI
70 posts, Jun 2001

posted 10-23-2001 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cougar390     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes Lulu, you summed it all up right there

From what I understand, the problem with smallpox is that the disease has been considered dead, so our immune systems are very succeptible to it. Reguardless, i'll take my chances with a needle from the street before I trust something with a vaccine ever again.

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Marysville,WA USA
133 posts, Apr 2001

posted 10-24-2001 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WonderWmn93   Visit WonderWmn93's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just wanted to say, that a few years ago, I watched a show on the discovery channel...if I remember correctly. They were discussing this very thing (smallpox). They had people on there that had said, the Russians for instance have made new strains of the small pox and that it is more deadly than ever. There is no vaccine to protect against the new strains that they have made. So, one has to wonder just how honest our government is really being. If they know that the Russians have a new form of smallpox that has no treatment, and no vaccine against it, then why are they even discussing this old vaccine? Even if they had enough to give to every american, I myself would not get the vaccine, nor would I allow my children to get it. I just don't think that they can be trusted. Just my 2 cents worth,

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Mystic Warrior

S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001

posted 10-24-2001 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delphi   Visit Delphi's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wonderwmn, Great post you put there!!! The most sensible and logical and interesting post I've seen here all day! ^j^ ^j^ Joanne

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Mystic Warrior

S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001

posted 10-24-2001 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delphi   Visit Delphi's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With the "new, improved" weaponized versions of Anthrax and Smallpox, it follows that the regular vaccines and old style vaccines will be worthless and in-effective! There are supposed to some 50 strains of manipulated Anthrax and/or smallpox in existence because of use as a bio-warfare agent, so there is no way that enough vaccines will be in existence to cover all these various weaponized strains and mutations. Of course the "talking heads" and TPTB say the Anthrax problem we are having now are the "natural" type strains....yeah, right, of course!++++Also, so much for the narrow-minded and farcical theory that the chemtrails are about "innoculating" us from Anthrax and other biologicals....and being done to us for our own good....those chem "innoculations" have been really being effective so far against the Anthrax dealy huh?...NOT! I wouldn't "trust" any innoculation process offered by the government now no matter what "spin" they put on it! Innoculations would be in-effective against the many and varied weaponized well as the so-called "chemtrail aerosol" way they could "do it all" and to believe so would be both stupid and dangerous. Wouldn't want any kids I know lining up for the "cure all" phoney vaccination dealy...stupidest and most irresponsible scenario I have heard of yet lately. Now, let us all pray, for a better way...and some Divine intervention as well!

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Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts

Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 10-24-2001 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys, except for DNA sequencing, nothing about biology is black-and-white.

Nobody can make a vaccine which is 100% safe.
Nobody can make an antibiotic which is 100% safe.
Nobody can make a vaccine which is 100% effective.
Nobody can make an antibiotic which is 100% effective.

Nobody can make a disease which is 100% deadly.

If you use antibiotics or receive a vaccine when no disease is present, there is always a chance that the antibiotics and/or the vaccine themselves will have side effects.

If you do not use antibiotics or receive a vaccine when a deadly disease is present, there is always a chance that the deadly disease will kill you.

Mathematics: 2+2 always equals 4
Physics: E always equals MCsquared
Chemistry: NaOH+HCl always equals NaCl+H2O
Biology: good luck

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Marysville,WA USA
133 posts, Apr 2001

posted 10-24-2001 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WonderWmn93   Visit WonderWmn93's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Joanne
I know I won't be lining up for any of their vaccines. They can use ours on someone else.
God bless,

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Duncan Kunz
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582 posts, Oct 2000

posted 10-24-2001 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duncan Kunz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, 3T3L1.

I think you described the basics of life sciences in a superb manner.

When it comes to medicines and vaccinations, I'm dealing with something that can save -- or take -- my and my family's lives. I am certainly not knowledgeable enough to make a truly educated decision, so I rely on people I know and trust.

I have known Dawn for twelve years and been maried to her for ten of them. I have played in a band with Ralph the banjo-picker and Gary the mandolin-picker for seven years. Dawn has been an RN for about 23 years; Gary and Ralph have been MDs for about the same length of time. I know these folks and trust them.

None of them, despite their 'credentials' in western medicine, believe everything the AMA says; all three believe that there are some alternative modalities that can be effective under certain circumstances. Ralph, in particular -- an orthopedic surgeon -- believes that there are chiropractors who can do a lot of good.

They also believe that giving a person antibiotics for a viral infection is stupid, and Gary the pediatrician believes that we're medicating WAAAY too many kids with ritalin.

But overall, they all three believe that most vaccinations and flu shots do more good then harm, and make sure that they (and their families) get such things.

If you're a parent of the child and/or a caretaker of an older and feebler person, then your decisions are not only going to impact you, but will also impact them.

Sometimes the government makes decisions about kids when they're convinced that the parent is doing the wrong thing. An example of this is when certain religions forbid the use of blood transfusions, medical procedures, etc., which would result in a child's death. I think this is wrong. Such a decision should be the parents', even though the parent may sometimes make some really, really stupid decision that will kill their child.

But whatever your choice is regarding medications, you'd better be comfortable with it; guessing wrong (either way) could emotionally destroy you for life.

Sometimes parenthood is a muther.


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