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under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001

posted 11-20-2001 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tonight when I picked up my kids from their dads house after football practice, I was mad boy, cause they were REal late. I started to get worried so I drove down the street to the hospital, to make sure dads car wasn't parked at the emergency room entrance. There were Channel 2 Eyewitness news vehicles all over the place. One with a huge satelite dish on top, and another with a huge 4-5 story high flagpole-like antenna attached to it, and many other large and small vehicles. I have seen the news teams around before, but never anything like this!
When they finally showed upand we were driving home, I asked the kids if they knew why Eyewitness News was at the hospital,and they said,,,, now I heard this from my kids, and haven't heard anything else anywhere about this yet,,, but they said a lady, who lives on the same block as them has anthrax. The Dr. thought it was pneumonia, and they freaked when they found anthrax instead. My kids friend lives next door to this lady, and my kids have gotten cookies from this elderly woman whom I am speaking about. Can't wait to hear the news tomorrow...

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under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001

posted 11-20-2001 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm I just found this, but the town I was talking about isn't Waterbury, Conn. as they are saying in this news item. The news team was at Derby hospital,in Derby.The woman my kids spoke of lives in Derby. Could this be 2 cases in Connecticut? I guess we will soon know.

Tuesday November 20 5:30 PM ET
Suspected Inhalation Anthrax Case in Connecticut
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An elderly woman in Connecticut is suspected of having inhalation anthrax, Gov. John Rowland said on Tuesday.

If confirmed the Waterbury, Connecticut, case would be the first in that state and the first new anthrax case in several weeks in the United States.

Rowland said the state police and FBI (news - web sites) were investigating, as well as federal health officials.

``It's very difficult at this time for anyone to explain how the patient may have contracted anthrax,'' Rowland said.

Since early October four people have died and 13 have been infected with the bacteria that can be used as a germ warfare agent.

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503 posts, Apr 2001

posted 11-21-2001 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catnip57     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yikes!..... I was wondering which one of us here was going to come into contact with that nasty stuff... I knew it had to be sooner or later. Actually I was hoping the jerks that were sending it were getting careless and infecting themselves with the disease. No such luck yet I see. God Help us.

I hope you stay safe KnewEyes and maybe start wearing gloves when you open your mail and maybe even open it outside and throw away then envelopes right away rather than bringing a possible contamination into the house.

Keep us posted on the events in your area... I hadn't heard of this new outbreak in Connecticut from the news media yet.

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under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001

posted 11-21-2001 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Catnip, for the good advice I will surely take it! Here's info on the hubbub I saw last night. Now I don't see one single thing written in this article about the Waterbury anthrax case spoken of in the above article I had posted last night.
So, what the heck is going on... are there 2 cases in Connecticut that are within 20 miles of each other,,, or NOT!?

Connecticut Woman Affirmative
For Inhalation Anthrax

An elderly Oxford woman has "a probable case of inhalation anthrax," Gov. John G. Rowland announced this afternoon.

Authorities said five separate tests indicate the woman has the inhalation form of the disease -- the most serious form. She would be the only Connecticut resident diagnosed with anthrax since the first anthrax attack in Florida last month. The unidentified woman, who is in her 90s, is being treated with antibiotics at Griffin Hospital in Derby. She is listed in serious condition. She was admitted last Wednesday and was being treated for pneumonia until tests indicated anthrax.

Joxel Garcia, the state's health commissioner, said the state received positive test results from the hospital Monday and immediately began conducting its own investigation.

Rowland, speaking at a press conference at his office, said officials have no idea how the woman might have contracted anthrax. There was no indication she is related to any government official or had any public activity that would cause her to be a target of terrorism, he said.

The FBI and state police are investigating how she might have come into contact with anthrax spores, he said, and the Centers for Disease Control is sending a team to Connecticut.

Two tests at the hospital and three conducted by the state Department of Health were all positive for anthrax, Rowland said.

The tests conducted by the health department are more sophisticated than those conducted by the hospital, but not as accurate as CDC testing, Garcia said.

The CDC hopes to have initial testing on specimens from the patient completed Wednesday, spokesman Tom Skinner said.

"It's still posible that testing by the CDC could prove negative for anthrax. I'm still hopeful for that," Rowland said.

He emphasized that inhalation anthrax is not contagious from person to person, and said that other patients at Griffin Hospital are not at risk.

Anthrax is a potentially fatal hemorrhagic disease, which means it can result in internal bleeding. It is caused by Bacillus anthracis, a hardy rod-shaped bacterium.

They symptoms of inhalation anthrax are gradual and nonspecific. The person may have a fever, feel tired and may have a dry cough. That is usually followed by a period -- which can last hours or up to two to three days -- in which the person feels better.

That abruptly changes and the person develops severe trouble breathing as the lungs begin bleeding. Death can follow 24 to 36 hours later.

"There is no evidence that anyone else has been exposed," Rowland said. Officials thought the bacteria might have been contracted in its natural form, but Rowland said considering this is the inhalation form, makes that scenario unlikely.

The patient lives alone in Oxford, and her home has been sealed off by state officials, Rowland said.

"I'm not only shocked by very concerned," he said, adding that leads will be followed up to make sure Connecticut residents are safe. "No one should be overly alarmed, but we are taking this very seriously.

Today it was also revealed that traces of the anthrax bacteria have been found in the office mailrooms of Sens. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., said one congressional official speaking on condition of anonymity.

Officials suspect the anthrax got there through contact with anthrax-bearing letters mailed to Sen. Patrick Leahy or Senate

Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D. So far, anthrax traces have been found in 13 senators' offices besides Daschle's, whose office is the only one known to have actually opened an anthrax letter.

A sample taken from a plastic evidence bag containing a still-unopened letter to Sen. Leahy contained at least 23,000 anthrax spores, enough for more than two lethal doses, authorities said today. Word of the anthrax spores in the Leahy letter, first reported by The New York Times, followed the FBI's announcement that it is convinced the Leahy letter was sent by the same person who mailed an anthrax-tainted letter to Daschle. Both were postmarked Oct. 9 in Trenton, N.J.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there were three times more anthrax spores in the single sample taken from the plastic bag than in any of the other 600 bags of mail examined by the FBI before it found the Leahy letter.

Investigators are looking into the possibility the Leahy letter was misrouted initially, resulting in anthrax contamination at a State Department mail facility that sickened one worker.

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under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001

posted 11-21-2001 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, it's looking like there is only one case of anthrax in Connecticut. I don't know why there was a mistake in the article I found when I first posted,, I havent heard anything more of a "Waterbury" case of anthrax, 20 miles away from the Oxford/Derby area.

First case in state; woman, 94, 'critical' at Griffin Hospital

HARTFORD — An elderly Oxford woman has tested positive for the deadly inhalation form of anthrax, prompting baffled state and federal officials Tuesday to launch an intense investigation.

Ottilie Lundgren, 94, of Edgewood Road was brought to Griffin Hospital in Derby by ambulance Friday and was listed in critical condition Tuesday night after being treated with antibiotics, state officials said.
It was the first anthrax case in the state.

Gov. John G. Rowland said five separate tests by the hospital and the state Department of Public Health were positive for inhalation anthrax.

Griffin Hospital President Patrick Charmel said specimens were flown to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta for final confirmation, with preliminary results expected today.

"There have been so few cases of anthrax in the United States. We don't have the capabilities to make that judgment," Charmel said.

However, Dr. Kenneth Dobuler at Griffin said there is no reason to believe Lundgren does not have anthrax.

"There has been no data to date to contradict that this patient has anthrax," he said.

Lundgren is the widow of Carl Lundgren, who was a prominent Valley lawyer with offices in Ansonia.

Anthrax cannot be transmitted from person to person and there were no indications of connections to previous anthrax cases reported in New York City, New Jersey, Washington, D.C., and Florida since the Sept. 11th terrorist attacks.

"I'm not only shocked, I'm very concerned," Rowland said. He said he is hoping the CDC tests will prove the state results were wrong. "It is an anomaly," said the governor.

"We have no evidence at this time that anyone sent the patient anything containing anthrax, and we have no evidence that the patient contracted the disease as a result of some criminal act," Rowland said.

Rowland said there is no information that anyone else in Connecticut had been exposed to inhalation anthrax.

Dr. Howard Quentzel, chief of Griffin's division of infectious disease, said Lundgren did not seem to be at high risk to contract anthrax.

To contract inhalation anthrax, a person must normally inhale a large number of anthrax spores, he said. Inhalation anthrax typically has an 85 percent mortality rate, said Quentzel.

Griffin Vice President William Powanda said the CDC and the FBI will investigate where Lundgren had been before arriving at the hospital.

A team of investigators from the CDC also was scheduled to arrive in Connecticut Tuesday night to help with the probe.

The clothes Lundgren was wearing when she arrived at Griffin have been quarantined, Powanda said.

Dr. Kenneth Schwartz, vice president of medical affairs, said the case should not affect the hospital's working environment. "It's not a danger to any other patients in the hospital," he said.

Previous cases of inhalation anthrax have been linked to letters sent to media organizations in Florida and New York City, and to members of Congress in Washington, D.C. Postal workers in New Jersey and Washington are believed to have contracted anthrax as a result of contact with contaminated mail.

State officials said Lundgren's family members are being questioned to help in the probe. Rowland said the patient lived alone in "a rather remote location" and had "a limited schedule."

"Right now, we're taking this very seriously and taking the appropriate procedures," said Rowland.

Connecticut State Police, the FBI and the state Department of Environmental Protection sealed off the woman's home in Oxford Tuesday and began searching for an explanation.

According Rowland and state Public Health Commissioner Joxel Garcia, Lundgren was initially believed to be suffering from pneumonia. Hospital authorities first tested her for possible anthrax infection on Saturday, and that initial test came back positive.

A second anthrax test by the hospital was inconclusive and samples were sent to the state public health agency lab on Monday. Three separate state tests all came back positive for inhalation anthrax, Garcia said.

Garcia said the sophisticated CDC tests will be definitive for whether or not the woman has inhalation anthrax.

Rowland said the FBI informed him Tuesday afternoon that there was a possible case of anthrax in this state.

"I don't want to alarm anyone, but at the same time I want to inform the public... and at the same time balance the patient's confidentiality," the governor said. "I encourage everyone to go about their normal business."

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under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001

posted 11-21-2001 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She died today.

Changes dateline from OXFORD, Conn.
By Donna Tommelleo, Associated Press, 11/21/2001 13:37
DERBY, Conn. (AP) A 94-year-old woman from rural Connecticut died of inhalation anthrax Wednesday, five days after she was admitted to a hospital. The source of her infection, distant from other recent bioterror attacks, remained a mystery.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed the anthrax case after similar test results at the local hospital and state health laboratory, Gov. John G. Rowland said.

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posted 11-21-2001 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, that is close to home, KnewEyes.

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posted 11-21-2001 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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under those cloud-like things
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posted 11-21-2001 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank-you Thermit, Posting that picture was very nice of you.

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posted 11-21-2001 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That lady sounded like a nice person, making cookies for the neighborhood kids. We will eventually find the culprit...

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Goofy Grape
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posted 11-21-2001 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Goofy Grape     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thermit--when you say "WE"; who do you mean?

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under those cloud-like things
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posted 12-11-2001 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Article Last Updated:
Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 6:42:39 AM MST

Public should know where anthrax letters were sent The people should be told.

Last week, the U.S. Postal Service revealed that 241 letters destined for Connecticut homes and businesses passed through a New Jersey mail processing center within hours of letters packed with anthrax that went to the offices of two U.S. senators.

Federal officials now say they know where the 241 letters went, but they don't plan on telling.

They say that the amount of anthrax that might have rubbed off letters on their way to the Washington offices of Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D., is small and the risk to the public minute.

After all, they say, it was Oct. 9 when the letters crossed paths in New Jersey. So far only one Connecticut person has died from anthrax -- 94- year-old Ottilie Lundgren of Oxford.

Epidemiologists believe Lundgren contracted the disease from a piece of cross-contaminated mail. So far, however, investigators have not recovered any anthrax-tainted material from the woman's home or places she is known to have frequented.

One anthrax spore was recovered from a house in nearby Seymour and traces of anthrax were found in samples taken from the Wallingford postal center, which handles mail for Oxford, Seymour, Ansonia and Derby, as well as other New Haven County communities.

Health officials say that because two months have elapsed since any cross-contamination may have occurred, the chances that someone else might be infected are diminishing. After all, the longest known incubation period for anthrax is 43 days.

Still, people in the Valley where Mrs. Lundgren lived aren't comfortable with federal officials' decision not to tell where the letters went. Neither are we.

They disagree with Gov. John G. Rowland's decision to back the federal government's choice to keep the information about where the letters went confidential. So do we.

"It is good to know -- just to know," said Lance Barton of Seymour.

Considering that American taxpayers foot the bill for government operations, Barton doesn't understand why the public is being left in the dark over where the letters went.

If the letters did go to the Valley, federal officials don't have to worry about a public health panic. Valley residents don't panic.

They have been through a lot. They lived through the 1955 flood that wiped out many a home there. They lived through the 1975 arson blaze that destroyed Sponge Rubber Products -- once one of the region's biggest employees. And just this past spring, they lived through a major conflagration at the Latex Foam Products factory in Ansonia.

They handled the death of Mrs. Lundgren with quiet resolve -- there was concern but certainly no panic.

Valley residents and Connecticut residents are not children. They can handle the truth.

And they deserve it from their so-called public servants.
What a swell bunch of guy's huh? So considerate to those people who might have been away,,, or the ones who put their bills aside for a while cause they can't pay them yet.

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Dan Rockwell
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Stamford, CT, USA
1750 posts, Dec 2001

posted 07-22-2002 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Rockwell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
University of Connecticut student charged with keeping anthrax at campus lab

By Matt Sedensky, Associated Press, 7/22/2002 17:09WEST HARTFORD, Conn. (AP)

A University of Connecticut student was charged Monday with keeping anthrax in a campus laboratory but authorities said he will not be prosecuted if he completes a pretrial diversion program.

Tomas Foral, 26, faces up to 10 years in prison for possessing a biological agent.

However, the U.S. Attorney's Office said he will be allowed to participate in a program that could include community service.

Foral said he believes the case will be resolved in six months. ''I have no choice,'' he said outside his home. ''It would be very expensive to go to trial. It would be unaffordable to me.''

Two vials containing anthrax-infected animal tissue from the 1960s were found in a Foral's freezer in the laboratory Nov. 27, five days after the fifth and final death from last fall's anthrax attacks.

Investigators said Foral had been told to destroy the samples, but kept them instead.

The FBI said the samples would have required additional processing to produce infectious spores, but the material was ordered destroyed and the lab building was checked for contamination.

Officials said they found no link between the vials and the Nov. 21 death of an elderly woman from inhalation anthrax in Oxford, about 70 miles away from the campus in Storrs.

Authorities have speculated that Ottilie Lundgren's death might have been caused by mail that crossed paths with anthrax-laden envelopes sent to members of Congress and the media in Washington and New York.

The university has not taken action against Foral, and he is scheduled to receive his master's degree next year.

UConn spokeswoman Karen Grava said samples of anthrax are no longer kept at the university lab for research purposes. The university also created a new position of environmental manager to help oversee health and safety issues.

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