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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL


Level 64
1115 posts, Oct 2000

posted 01-10-2002 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for defender     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
50,000 SUICIDES ON PROZAC COVERED UP

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3915a522538e.htm

Internal documents show that in 1990, Lilly scientists were pressured by corporate executives to alter records on physician experiences with Prozac, changing mentions of suicide attempt to ''overdose'' and suicidal thoughts to ''depression.''

Three years before Prozac received approval by the US Food and Drug Administration in late 1987, the German BGA, that country's FDA equivalent, had such serious reservations about Prozac's safety that it refused to approve the antidepressant based on Lilly's studies showing that previously nonsuicidal patients who took the drug had a fivefold higher rate of suicides and suicide attempts than those on older antidepressants, and a threefold higher rate than those taking placebos.

Lilly's own figures, in reports made available to the Globe, indicate that 1 in 100 previously nonsuicidal patients who took the drug in early clinical trials developed a severe form of anxiety and agitation called akathisia, causing them to attempt or commit suicide during the studies.

Though Lilly has steadfastly defended the drug's safety and downplayed studies linking Prozac to suicide, the patent for the new Prozac, R-fluoxetine, expected to be marketed by Lilly beginning in 2002, notes that the new version will not produce several existing side effects including ''akathisia, suicidal thoughts, and self-mutilation,'' which the patent calls ''one of its more significant side effects.''

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Hoople
Senior Member


Charleston, Ar
167 posts, Dec 2001

posted 01-13-2002 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hoople     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello defender,

Thank you for posting that data on prozac. This is very important data to disseminate.

There is a radio show called,The Human Rights Hour, hosted by a guy named Dennis Clark who is the Executive Chairman to the Advisory Board for the organization, Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR). This show is broadcast out of Clearwater, Fl on AM station WTAN 1340 Tantalk radio 5:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern standard time Mon - Fri. The broadcast is live stream so tune in if you have a chance. Dennis frequently discusses the subject of psychotropic drugs and some of the diabolical agendas being waged against the American public by the pharmaceutical and psychiatric industries (death toll - 5,000 + wkly). Talk about terrorism!! He also, from time to time, has very informative guests on his show that cover a range of topics related to human rights. However, most of his show is bent toward exposing what is being done to us by the FDA, APA (American Psychiatric Assoc.), AMA and the pharmaceutical giants.

You know defender, when something is too incredible to believe that is its best safeguard. Evil is very difficult to confront and on this radio show a great deal of evil is talked about.

Here's WTAN's location: http://www.tantalk1340.com

Also another very ineresting and provaocative site to check out is: http://www.psychassault.org Take a look at the story, Anatomy of Terrorism as it relates to these psychotropic drugs such as prozac.

Hoople

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MollyGainYa
Senior Mollycule


Buchanan Dam, Texas
119 posts, May 2001

posted 01-13-2002 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MollyGainYa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And thanks to Dr. Ann Blake Tracy, www.drugawareness.org, I now know that the Paxil prescribed for my husband's post traumatic stress disorder is, in actuality, Prozac #3, and is FOUR times as strong as Prozac!!! And Zoloft and Sarafem and many other "new" SSRI's are also Prozac with a new name and greater strength. Howdaya like them apples?? And the idiot VA psychiatrist that prescribed Paxil for his anxiety and sleeplessness KNEW of his history of 11 years of psychotic events since an overdose of morphine in the VA "guinea pig" hospital! Gee thanks, Uncle Sam, for the excellent care you offer your veterans. You killed him at Audie Murphy hospital in 1989, and you killed him again in 1991 at Olin Teague hospital. But shame on him - he lived - so now you have to drug him to death, or better yet, send him over the edge, and he'll take his family out with him. Oh, just another Viet Nam Vet gone mad, huh??? And shame on me for wondering what the political or spiritual beliefs are of the two Muslim psychiatrists you employ to evaluate and to prescribe drugs for the mentally impaired veterans at your Temple and Austin clinics. I'm not prejudiced in any way, but the obvious lack of knowledge about prescription psychotropic drugs was certainly displayed, and the suggestion to substitute Zoloft for Paxil confirmed my suspicions even further. I honestly believe that my husband would be either dead or behind bars for some assault if it weren't for websites like the above-mentioned, and if it weren't for doctors like Dr. Tracy who expose the FDA "drug cartel" for what it is!! My advice --- DON'T TAKE ANY PRESCRIBED DRUGS WITHOUT CHECKING OUT ALL THE PRECAUTIONS AND DRUG INTERACTIONS AND WARNINGS FIRST!!! I have a shortcut on my desktop for www.rxlist.com , and I use it to find out the REAL truth about drugs.

Well, I'll step down from my soapbox now. When I saw "Prozac" on the Health forum, defender, I just went off. Sorry for the ranting and raving, but SSRI's are some of the most dangerous drugs on the market, and doctors are prescribing them like candy - for adults AND children. Damn! They should be run out of town!

MollyGainYa, with love and ANGER!

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UnHappyTrailsToUs
UntilWeMeetAgain...

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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts


Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 01-14-2002 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please don't be quick to condemn, MollyGainYa. Zoloft saved my life. Literally. The SSRIs have done that for millions of people.

What you have to know is that everybody reacts to psychiatric medications in a different way. The people taking them must be carefully monitored for positive effects and negative effects. The dose must also be optimized for each patient individually. Even at the optimal dose, every patient will have a unique set of responses, and some of those will indicate that a switch in medication needs to be made. And sometimes none of the available formulations of the serotonin-selective reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) will work. Although some lazy or ill-informed physicians have misused the SSRIs, these drugs remain an extremely valuable tool in the treatment of depression and a number of other psychiatric conditions. I pray that your husband will find a competent, caring physician somewhere in the VA morass.

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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL


Level 64
1115 posts, Oct 2000

posted 01-14-2002 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for defender     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings Hoople, and thanks very much for that information!

I'm not really sure what all to think about anti-depressants. I do believe that Prozac and many others are dangerous, but there may be many variables to results and side effects. I think it may be hit or miss as far as who is helped and who is hurt?

I was at one time very against them, but I know of some close friends and associates who swear by them, that they have also, in some of these cases eliminated the symptoms of depression and helped them to recover. So I guess it just depends on your own chemistry in some cases?

I'm really against Ritalin and all of this Attention Deficit Disorder stuff they prescribe and diagnose so many kids with. But maybe I'm wrong about that too? Maybe kids are being affected by chemtrails or other chemical food additives and are getting more depressed, hyperactive?? There's also evidence that excessive TV has very negative effects on kids and adults, but mainly kids in formative years. Video games must have an effect on your nervous system!?

I was once on something called Halcyon (I think) and I felt very suicidal immediately after taking it (around 1979? I think). And later I heard of lawsuits, deaths etc. related to that drug. There was something like a recall from FDA, so I'm always skeptical of anything that's FDA approved, like Aspartame, etc.

I've heard of a class action lawsuit against Paxil recently too, but then I've also heard that Paxil has helped people, so I guess it's just 'buyer beware'?

I really sympathize with you Mollygainya about VA hospitals. It's a sad commentary on how American victims/survivors/veterans are treated. I wonder how much care veterans in foreign countries receive? I read that the U.S. is ranked 27th among free world countries in health care, so I suppose veterans care is also superior to what we recieve in the States?

As we've seen in "Non-consensual Human Experimentation", TPTB that infect our own government allow chemical/drug testing on anyone in the U.S. as long as it relates to some aspect of what they consider "National Security"! So any drug out there, over-the-counter or prescription may be something new they are trying out for God knows what reason.

BTW, Hoople... as far at the FDA goes, I'm not always sure if they are evil, corrupt, inept or all of the above. They are certainly on the take.

I imagine that they are or may also be 'compartmentalized', like the CIA and U.S. military, working on a need-to-know basis. The vast majority of employees/agents/soldiers are just doing a job with limited info or even disinformation about what their objective may be.

The actual mission objective may serve to only line the pockets (as in the case of payoffs to FDA by pharmacuetical companies) of a few rats who have infiltrated or been placed somewhere at the 'top' of these organizations.

As far as I know, FDA officials are all appointed (not elected), so again, you have to look at the elected officials who appointed them and which special interest groups or PACs, (like pharmaceutical company interests) paid them to look the other way, or omit damaging information about a dangerous/lethal drug they 'approve' for public consumption, like cyclamates, sacharin, aspartame, prozac? etc. etc..



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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts


Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 01-14-2002 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for being openminded about the SSRIs and Ritalin, defender. As you know, my husband is a behavioral neurologist who uses psychostimulant medication as part of his treatment plan in kids who present with bona fide Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. He follows the approach I have described above--tailoring the dose to the individual's response pattern, changing drugs if the side effects or the response is unsatisfactory, and monitoring the child closely as he/she grows up and matures. If families do not want to use drugs, he does not force them into it. And if the child has a condition which can mimic ADHD, like petit mal seizures, dyslexia or depression, he makes sure that child receives appropriate treatment. Not everybody who walks into his office will necessarily walk out with a prescription for Ritalin/Adderall/Concerta/Metadate.

The approach my husband uses takes lots of time. Unlike most doctors, he has a solo practice and can choose to be very careful about the diagnosis and treatment of each and every patient. He sees only about 12 children a day. But doctors in managed care settings often have to see 30-40 patients in a day, and will often take short cuts as a result. So people whose children are treated for ADHD in those settings may or may not be getting optimal care. When ADHD kids do get optimal care, it is a pleasure to see their performance improve, their self-esteem blossom, and their lives get back on track. My husband's proudest time is in the spring, when kids who are about to graduate from high school send him graduation cards and thank him for helping them make it through.

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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL


Level 64
1115 posts, Oct 2000

posted 01-15-2002 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for defender     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
3, if you mentioned previously that your husband was a doctor, I didn't remember it. Sometimes you give me more credit for being aware of, or knowing things that I am not aware of (or do not know).

I wish I did have a photographic memory. The older I get, the more capacity I seem to lose? Looks like I need to stock up on ginko biloba, among other things; cilantro, colloidal silver, glutathione, olive leaf extract. My local health food pharmacy/store (at least?) will be glad to see me!

But I know there are times when some man-made medications and good doctors/surgeons are invaluable to our health and well-being.

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Jeanie
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North East U.S.A.
525 posts, Nov 2001

posted 01-15-2002 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeanie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To those of you who have complained about all these serious health problems often connecting symptoms with CT's. I am not a doctor, you can be assured that what I'm saying is totally harmless and totally helpful. Regarding acid reflux, I have it completely under control without medication. Since 1979 I have learned what I feel works for good health from "Hippocrates Health Institute" located in West Palm Beach Florida. They advocate a vegan vegetarian diet with organic raw foods as the prime thing. But for now back to acid reflux, when I am bothered by it I have found I've been eating too many acid producing foods like coffee, sugar, white flour, meat and dairy. Want immediate relief ??? Cut those things out and replace them with lots of greens, spinach, cukes, celery, swiss chard etc. A juicer is also very helpful in getting fast results like "Green Power". Add to your diet unfragmented foods, whole grains like low acid producers such as millet, buckwheat, quinoa ( a tasty quick cooking grain from South America) available at a whole foods market. An absolute NO NO is dairy. Want a good strong dose of acid reflux ??? Eat a nice big enjoyable bowl of ice cream. You can learn to replace the comfort foods with, good for you comfort foods. Good Health to you. P.S. There are many more simple wonderful alternatives to help us reduce these health plagues. Jeanie

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ShadowDancer
Running With A Different Pack


Western New York
79 posts, Jun 2001

posted 01-30-2002 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShadowDancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here here, 3T3! I wholeheartedly agree. I wouldn't be around right now myself if it weren't for the Paxil that I've taken since June. I have SEVERE clinical depression and was dealing almost daily with suicidal thoughts before I went on the medication. There were days that I just could not get out of bed. I recently added Buspar to the mix for anxiety, and I actually have somewhat of a normal life back. I still have my bad days, especially since the passing of my grandmother in August, but I can get up in the morning and function again, and not be scared to go out and do things, and talk to people.

Yes, some doctors may be too quick to prescribe these types of meds without an adequate patient evaluation, but some people are also far too quick to universally condemn. I am 19 years old, I have my whole life ahead of me...but I would have been dead months ago without the stabilizing influences of these medications. I am so grateful for them.
~ShadowDancer

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Originally posted by 3T3L1:
Please don't be quick to condemn, MollyGainYa. Zoloft saved my life. Literally. The SSRIs have done that for millions of people.

What you have to know is that everybody reacts to psychiatric medications in a different way. The people taking them must be carefully monitored for positive effects and negative effects. The dose must also be optimized for each patient individually. Even at the optimal dose, every patient will have a unique set of responses, and some of those will indicate that a switch in medication needs to be made. And sometimes none of the available formulations of the serotonin-selective reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) will work. Although some lazy or ill-informed physicians have misused the SSRIs, these drugs remain an extremely valuable tool in the treatment of depression and a number of other psychiatric conditions.


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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts


Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 01-30-2002 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, ShadowDancer. When you finally get on the right medication at the right dose, you can remember again what "normal" means. Best wishes.

P.S. I love your avatar. Hubby and I own Siberian huskies, which look very much like wolves. (Fortunately they don't act like wolves, though--more like housecats in dog suits.)

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