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posted 01-17-2002 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering the other day, if any others on the board suffer from sleep disorders.I was diaganosed a few months back with a sleep disorder that the Doctors claim could be caused by a car accident that I had over thirty years ago that caused a badly broken nose and neck. What I have noticed is that on heavy spray days I am much more drowsy .I have done some research on the web and have discovered that some metals cause sleep disorders. I work with lots of exotic alloys so for me it was no suprise. But I have noticed that a couple of my relatives who have never been where I work react the exact same way .In the early evening after a heavy spray day it is very hard to keep your eyes open around sunset. I fight it and stay awake but my one relative said he just goes to bed about sunset then gets up about four am every day.He said that he has been doing this for the past three years and seems to be getting worse.He is a Carpenter and works out in the Trails every day. keep looking up roman...

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Central Washington
503 posts, Apr 2001

posted 01-17-2002 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catnip57     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Roman... this sounds like something you should try to record in a journal to see how the patterns emerge.

There are a couple of things I've noticed change in my sleep in the last 3 years. One is the need to wear ear plugs everynight since I sleep so light. Another is the increased need for sleep. I seem to feel best with 9 to 9-1/2 hours a night.

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Mystic Warrior

S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001

posted 01-19-2002 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delphi   Visit Delphi's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Roman, Sleep problems for me for betcha! I seem to have a much higher "startle-response" now, noises, voices, music, dogs barking, etc. drive me up the wall, can't stand bright light, I have stopped short of painting my bedroom windows black!! I have a dark blanket over them tho! Noise, sound, lights, or someone coming up near me un-expectedly, and I jump sky high! My sleep trouble is the pits and my migraines are returning worse then ever, full force. And the Military Docs will not give me anything to help. She said for me to take 4,000mgs. of Tylenol everyday....I'm not...that stuff is poison in those kinds of doses. What to do, I don't know...I am very discouraged. Sleep depravation can turn you into an nasty monster like I have been here a few times and not proud of it either. Without proper sleep, the body cannot heal properly and the mind cannot rest, and you become "edgey" and irritable and a "were-wolf" sorta. Blessings all, Joanne

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posted 01-19-2002 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Catnip ,Delphi thanks for your response. This Sleep disorder is a real bummer.I had the test's done last fall .The techs at the hospital said that they have a full house every night,I guess lots of people have trouble getting restful sleep.Oh and Delphi I can't stand bright light ,It never used to bother me but it does these days. My symptoms are always a lot worse on heavy trail days.My Dr says that he will be able to correct a lot of the problem with a operation that will enlarge the nasal passages .This will keep things from settling in the sinus cavitys and causing infections.Several people I know have had this operation lately some are better and some are the same. keep looking up roman...

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Chemspiracy Realist

East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001

posted 01-19-2002 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLKook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Roman, you can add me to the sleep dep. mix. I have never slept much 5 hrs is a good night for me but always has been the norm. Could be my military upbringing, could be drug use in the 70's and 80's, could just be my own natural biology.

It has gotten progressively worse in the last few years. But I've read in med. journals that sleep disorders can occur decades after the actual cause, so I can't really pin them on CTs. I will say this though...

Bright light is another story...I have never felt the pain behind my eyes due to bright light the way I do now, my sunglasses are as dark as they come. Doctors have found no problem (other than my usual stigmatism and near sightedness) Sometimes I wish they made sunglasses even darker. The inability to sleep unless the room is completely dark is new these last few years too. I've always been a light sleeper, footsteps will wake me but this is different.

I'm only 38 so I don't really attribute it to what I've read on the elderly having sleep disorders as a normal course of aging. is where I go out on a limb. Last night I swear to you all I heard an audible "ping" (for lack of a better word)it was as though the sound ricocheted off a filling in my tooth. The kind of sonar type ping you would here in a submarine movie. This is the first time I've ever experienced anything like this. IT WAS REAL. I'm a very lucid dreamer so I tried to tell myself I was in some in between state when I heard this...the more I thought about it, the more I couldn't convince myself. The truth is, I was awake and I heard a ping. It was audible. It was in my head, it came from a specific tooth in my mouth.

Fine, laugh if you will. But, if I can't tell the truth wacky as it may be, here where can I? It was so spooky, I haven't told anyone yet. This too...I've been getting static shocks from almost everything I touch today, car door, chainlink fence, blew out a lightbulb, you name it. Anyone?

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665 posts, Apr 2001

posted 01-20-2002 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FLKook, I was going to ask the same question here myself, but forgot. I have been getting shocks from everything lately,, big ones where ever I go , sometimes doubles. This never happened to me before like this, it's a new thing recently, for about a month now. I am not surprised to hear about your tooth ping. Pings also can be heard when energy is directed at you from outside forces which are hitting against your personal aural shield,, that protects you, and you can hear it as a definite 'ping'. This ping off of your tooth though, sounds more like radio waves.

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Chemspiracy Realist

East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001

posted 01-20-2002 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLKook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kneweyes, thanks for taking me seriouly on this. I wasn't kidding. Suppose a wild radio wave could have done it. I've heard of people with braces picking up radio before. Don't believe anything was directed at me, I'm just not that important. Regarding the static, this is something I noticed a while ago then it went away. Yesterday it was everywhere.

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right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000

posted 01-22-2002 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FLKook, regarding your pinging tooth...When I used to have silver fillings years ago, I would pick up radio stations through these fillings, and I believe it was Mr. Duncan Kunz who said this is possible if fillings are a very snug fit. Since replacing the silver with white fillings I no longer pick up the radio signals.

I get shocked quite often...light switches, car door handles, you name it.

roman, sorry to hear of your sleep disorder. It must be difficult for you. I usually sleep pretty good myself, but some nights I do toss and turn a lot, and then wake up early anyway even with very little sleep.

As far as bright lights go, given that I have blue eyes, my eyes are naturally more light sensitive to light than say brown eyes. I wear sunglasses a lot, even on cloudy days sometimes. Also two or three times a year I get red, scratchy eyes. Don't know if it's related to the chemtrails or not, but others in Kelowna get the red, dry eyes as well.

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posted 01-22-2002 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Lulu, the sleep disorder is a real bummer. I always thought that I slept pretty well until I went through the sleep study.They diagnosed me with Sleep Apnea .Normally I do ok I get a little tired about 2pm to 4pm most days.On heavy trail days I usually have a hard time keeping my eyes open ,I get real drowsey I believe that this is also a symptom of Aluminum poisoning. Like I said I work with Exotic Alloys includeing Aluminum powders Maybe the little bit extra metal donated by the Friendly? local? Spray guy? is just enough to make the symptoms show up. roman...

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Charleston, Ar
167 posts, Dec 2001

posted 01-23-2002 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hoople     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello all, Hoople here.

Personally, I believe that the greatest number of maladies and their complex manifestations we suffer from stem from some deficiency(s) in our diet or additives in our diet and these maladies can be actually cured by isolating the deficiency(s)and/or additives and taking the correct steps from there. But we all know that its not really that simple for we have gone off the rails, regarding our health, way back when and now we're over here in left field wondering how in the hell did we wind up here!

The issues of our health have become extremely complex and the complexity and the persitence of these health problems are proportional to the amount of lies being injected into the subject.

First off: Forget looking to the AMA for any real lasting help. The AMA is good for patching up broken bones and stiching up your cuts but they know nothing about cures and they've got way too many drugs in their tool boxes that they are more than happy to prescribe. Hell, why not,if we took a look at their investment portfolios how much stock in pharmaceuticals do you think we'd find?

Do you ever have your MD telling you that all these heartburn and acid reflux pills that are being puked out by the ad agencies on the boob tube every 5 mins increase your chance of having stomach cancer by 4,300% (not kidding) or that these same pills are classed as "mind altering drugs"? No, I don't think they tell ya that. Did ya know that Bush Senior was resposible for legislation making it posssible for these types of drugs to be sold over the counter?
Also, did you know that Bush Sr. was A Director Of Eli Lilly (a leading manufacturer of many of these pills) at one time?
Then there's the psyches with their psychobabble and propensity to proclaim anything that twitches, talks, walks or asks questions as having some new disorder which they just happen to have the drug for.

Whoa, Nelly! I've got to stop myself here and go to other stuff.

roman, you could have a magnesium deficiency (most everybody does) and one of the manifestations of this is problems with sleep. Check out the full skinny at Others, you will be amazed at the list of ailments that can be brought on by a magnesium deficiency. One of the magnesium products, Natural Calm, sold by this company is incrdible! I've taken it for years with very good results.

Another broad deficiency sufferred by over 90% of US and CA population is that of essential fatty acids omega 3 and omega 6. These fats are essential. If you don't have them you will die, but not necessarily a quick death. Again, the ailments brought on by being defiecient in these oils are amazing in scope. Equally amazing is how quickly many of these persisting ailments vanish once the deficency is handled. My product recommendation to correct this deficiency is UDO's Perfected Oil Blend. Very very good stuff. Your body will thank you a thousand times over after you've taken this for awhile. You can find it in most any health food store in the refrigerated section (it must be kept cold). By the way, if any of you want, I recorded an interview that Udo Erasmus had with Dennis Clark, host of The Human Rights Hour Radio Show, that is a remarkably informative tape on the subject of fats that heal and fats that kill, I will be more than happy to send you a copy (no charge). Just send me your address and I promise ya that I will not pass your add on to anyone or anywhere. I'll just mail you the tape.

Another thing, you may know this already, but our bodies do the greatest amount of their healing when we sleep and vitamin C is a wonderful aid to the body in its healing process. So, here's my recipe for a nightime healing supplement cocktail that has worked quite well for me for sometime now. I very rarely get sick and I'm out under those CTs daily. Before you go to bed take a dose of powdered Ascorbate vitamin C (not absorbic acid). Note: you can mix the powdered C in the same glass as the dose of powdered magnesium (Natural Calm). Twinlab's Super Ascorbate C is a good product. Take 1600 D-Alpha Tocopherol vitamin E, dose of liquid vitamin B Complex sublingual, betacarotene and a selenium tablet. Like I mentioned, it works great!

Oh yeah, don't consume any sugar in the eve because it only takes a teaspoon of sugar to shut off the immune system for three hours. I tell ya, when I found this out it was hell. I had a ritual of ice cream almost every night about an hr before bed. Not any more though.

I've got some more data to pass on to you so I'll be back. Right now, time to let the body heal.


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posted 01-23-2002 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duncan Kunz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
to Roman, FLKook, Delphi, et. al.

Put me down in the Sleep Apnea crowd, too.

About a year ago, I started snoring very loudly, was dropping oiff to sleep in meetings (especially boring ones) and woke up tired -- even after eight hours of sleep per night. It got to the point that our bedtime routine involved reading to each other aloud (one of our strange rituals), perhaps cuddling for a while, then Dawn would kick me out and I'd spend the rest of the night in the guest room. The next morning, instead of seeing the face of my beautiful bride, I would awake to the presence of an eighty-five pound black lab (not that Shadow's an ugly dog, but...).

Dawn started to do a lot of listening and kept track of my breathing. She said I would stop breathing for about fifteen seconds, then start again with a snort. We tried various devices and nostrums; none seemed to help. I finally went to my family practice guy at the HMO and told him I wanted a consult with an ear, nose, and throat guy that Dawn works with at another CIGNA location.

I'm going in tomorrow, and will hopefully have some answers. One of the tests will require me to sleep with a bunch of wires attached to me while I'm being monitored. Even though Dawn's an RN, I don't think they'll let me do it at home....

I started doing some reading about Sleep Apnea, and here's what I found.

1. Sleep Apnea can kill you. In its extreme form, the ongoing interruption of oxygen can trigger strokes and maybe heart attacks (no one knows exactly why). Since my BP is high, this is a real concern.

2. Sleep Apnea is not necessarily increasing; but more cases are being referred to specialists as more is found out about it.

3. It is correlated to sex (male) age (I'm 57), stress (I consider my job a bit stressful) and weight (none of your business LOL!)

4. Rhinoplasty (a surgical procedure on the inside of the nose) can help, but there are often unwanted side effects. Two of my friends who are doctors say they'd not have it done to their family.

5. The best (or at least the most cost-effective) treatment is to lose weight. The good news is that I only weigh 100; the bad news is that it's kilograms, not pounds. but I have lost about ten pounds so far, and after losing thirty more, hopefully, the problem will be less. Everyone wins (except Shadow, who goes back to sleeping on the floor).

But I would strongly recommend that, if you have some of those symptoms and fit the profile, see a specialist right away. I could be a lot more serious than you might think.

Roman, one of the potential causatives is a misalignment of the nasal anatomy. That sounds like you, what with your accident.

If you want more information, check out

Duncan Kunz /
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525

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posted 01-23-2002 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Dad used to have Sleep Apnea.

He is pretty thin, and his condition wasn't weight related. His sleep apnea was corrected with a combination of braces and surgery on his jaw. The surgeons cut his lower jaw and inserted screws to extend the length slightly. He's all better now.

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Shreveport, LA
207 posts, Sep 2001

posted 01-23-2002 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scanner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My husband has sleep apnea and has had the surgery. It worked pretty well for a while, and he's still a lot better than before, but he's started to have some of the same symptoms. Also, he has trouble swallowing sometimes which is a side effect of the surgery. Sleep apnea is dangerous...heart attacks, stroke, short-term memory loss. Not to mention driving us wives up the wall. In my case, I went to the couch! The test is a real trip. How the heck do they expect you to sleep all wired up? My husband can sleep anywhere, but even he said he had a hard time sleeping. If you have the symptoms, you really should get a medical opinion.


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posted 01-23-2002 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the replys everyone.I was tested back in September .They diaganosed sleep Apnea . Yes the test is quite a trip I think there were abour thirty or so wires.My Doctor is one of the top eye's ears nose throat and sleep disorder specialist on the east coast. I am just waiting my turn for the operation.roman...

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posted 02-16-2002 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thewatcher   Visit thewatcher's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Classical music played low with high treble and low bass ie. Beethoven or Mozart ect... Works well through out your body relaxing it and takeing away the thoughts in your head that keep you from sleeping much like the enjoyment of rain falling hard outside and against your window towards the evening when you are ready to relax

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1359 posts, Feb 2001

posted 02-17-2002 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RidesTheWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Roman et al....Just wondering if anyone here has put together the NWO's latest move? It was pretty slick indeed...Don't you find it interesting that millions of people are suffering from lack of sleep, and as the controversey grows so do the lies. Grandiose lies such as the latest telling the world if we sleep less we live longer...! Brilliant!!!
We know Shrub couldn't have thought this winner up! Too brilliant. Yep get the sheeple
to believe less sleep is a benefit!!! My god what will they think of next? I also have to wonder about the strange rash blossoming through communities in Pa and elsewhere.
The skin appears dried out...Hummmmm I wonder why? Couldn't be the old X trails now could it?

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posted 02-17-2002 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome back rides the wind! I seen the story on our local news the other night.The exact same Idea ran through my brain .The place where I was tested for sleep apnea has a full house every night and a waiting list that is about a month long.Did you notice all the articles in the newspapers and on TV about sleep apnea lately?Just maybe someone is getting nervous about people starting to notice how hard it is to stay awake for many of us,just look at the number of views this thread has had. I wonder how many of them had a Govt. prefix on their IP address.Live long and prosper roman...

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