mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003

posted 09-15-2003 03:49 PM            

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this is a true account. as a qualified IT guru, I have no doubt of the cast-iron proof I possess of certain facts.
1. a posted suspicion on a forum owned by a 'natural remedies' corporation of the activities there of a group of 'advisors' being suggestive of a deliberate scheme to cause victims of avermectin toxicosis to self-harm with ivermectin thus wiping all tracks back to the pest-control origin of their symptoms, led to wholesale re-editing of that discussion board.
2. my computer has been attacked using specialized software costing 100s of thousands of dollars - tracking software for global container shipments, controlled from a masschetussats location and sent to webtv sites. The producer of avermectin 'own' that very same city.
3. off-forum dialogue logged by me reveals the team-work directed to achieve the results - victims self-harm with ivermectin.
4. a research centre where sufferers are advised to register displays photos faked to re-inforce the strange beliefs the forum brainwashes into sufferers visiting it.

These are not 'possible interpretations', but verifiable hard facts - imight be away with the fairies on some things but this stuff is what i get paid for, and I've got hard evidence.

posts,

posted 09-16-2003 12:13 AM            

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Sounds like they are attempting a "whitewash" and you got caught up in it.

Mabye they want to see wht's on your hard drive.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Mech on 09-16-2003]

mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003

posted 09-16-2003 03:17 AM            

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they got/get what is on the drive alright. I am good at my job - they got what they got given - as a means of provoking a reaction to prove the link between the hack fro mrech hq and the posters on that forum. - no doubt whatsoever.

there is so much misinformatio given out there - including chemical drops as discussed here. eg a comment close to the mark involving avermectin pest-control - just as standard-use by large scale farmers can prompt a red-herring of mysterious planes dropping goo of whatever is required to re-direct focus. - that isn't to say such things aren't also a reality , after all the best lies are based on truth aren't they.? and they always manage to include just enough truth to convince yet just that dodgy detail to send you the wrong way!
so many people globally with strange symptoms - that don't make any sense at all for humans to suffer from - nematodes. amoebas, huge varieties of arthropods- often dismembered , constant re-infections, phorid attention as if we were fire ants! none of it makes sense - until you consider what if a human being was impersonating a crop-field? then everything that occurs is not only possible, but it's actually totally expected! only we aren't a crop-field - unless avermectin and the like, with its baiting qualities make us smell and act like we are. then this condition is not asymptomatic at all, its what's supposed to happen. we know it got into the water - it almost decimated the lobster industry a few years ago - strange parasitc amoebas were the cause - masschettusatts a main location -odd that eh?
no known cure for avermectin toxicosis merck say. it's something worth the effort of covering up innit?

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343 posts, Mar 2003

posted 09-16-2003 05:43 AM            

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http://www.abvt.org/iverm.html

Ivermectin Toxicosis
General:

Ivermectin toxicosis is more likely in dogs following overzealous treatment with an ivermectin containing product formulated for horses or cattle.
The breeds of dogs most commonly affected are collies and collie-crosses.
Small birds such as parakeets (due to their body weight and difficulty in delivering the appropriate dose) can easily be overdosed with ivermectin following treatment for scaly leg mites.
Ivermectin has a broad spectrum of activity against many internal and external parasites.
Source:
Ivermectin is a macrolide antibiotic produced from a fungus first isolated from a soil sample in Japan - Streptomyces avermitilis .
The avermectins are a class of chemicals that have a novel mode of action against nematode and arthropod parasites.
Ivermectin is a mixture of the 22, 23-dihydro derivative of avermectin B1.
Ivermectin was licensed for use in the United States in 1983.
Formulations of Ivermectin :
Ivomec (Merck) - injectable, 10 mg/ml for swine and cattle
Equvalan (Merck) - oral paste, 8.7 mg/ml for horses
Ivomec (Merck) - oral drench, 0.8 mg/ml for sheep
Heartguard (Merck) oral tabs, 68, 136, and 272 micrograms of ivermectin for dog for the prevention of Canine Heartworm disease
Conditions Surrounding Toxicoses:
Dogs are usually intoxicated with ivermectin from the inappropriate, extra-labeled use of cattle, sheep or horse product.
Well-intentioned, yet uninformed, owners may "worm" the dog with a large animal formulation.
Any species may be affected if the dose is large enough to penetrate the Blood-Brain-Barrier
Toxicity:
The following doses of ivermectin are those reported in the literature that cause clinical signs (most commonly ataxia or depression).

Cattle: 4 - 8 mg/kg (20 - 40 times the therapeutic dose)
Horses: 2 mg/kg (10 times the therapeutic dose)
Pigs: 30 mg/kg (100 times the therapeutic dose)
Dogs
Collies: 0.1 - 0.2 mg/kg (15 - 30 times the therapeutic dose)
Beagles: 2.5 - 40 mg/kg (greater than 200 times the therapeutic dose)
Cats: there is a report of a kitten exhibiting toxicosis following addministration of 0.3 mg/kg of body weight, subcutaneously. Adult cats seem to be less sensitive.
Chelonians (red-footed and leopard tortises): 0.1 - 0.4 mg/kg
Leopard frogs: 2.0 mg/kg intramuscular resulted in death while 20 mg/kg cutaneous had no effect
Clinical Signs:
mydriasis
depression
coma
tremors
ataxia
stupor
emesis
drooling
death
Note: Convulsions & seizures are NOT commonly associated with Ivermection toxicosis.
Ivermectin is a GABA agonist, which will increase the effects of inhibitory neural pathways in the CNS leading to depression and stupor.
Mode of Action:

Ivermectin is an agonist for the neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA).
GABA is a major inhibitory neurotransmitter.
In mammals, GABA-containing neurons and receptors are found in the Central Nervous System; while in arthropods and nematodes GABA is found primarily in the Peripheral Nervous System (neuromuscular junction).
This difference in location of GABA receptor may be the reason for the large margin of safety of ivermectin-containing products in mammals.
The binding of ivermectin to a neuronal membrane increases the release of GABA.
GABA binds to the GABA receptor-chloride channel complex of postsynaptic neuronal membranes causing an influx of chloride ions.
The influx of chloride ions hyperpolarize the neuronal membrane making them less excitatory and decreasing nerve transmission.
The hyperpolarization of neuronal membranes (at the NMJ) mediate a flaccid paralysis in arthropods and nematodes.
Diagnosis:
Clinical Signs
History of exposure to ivermectin-containing products
Chemical analysis for ivermectin (generally not needed)
Methods used:
high-pressure liquid chromatography (HPLC)
enzyme-linked immunoassay (ELISA)
Samples:
liver
body fat
gastrointestinal contents (low GI absorption)
feces
Ivermectin is metabolized only slightly by the liver. The majority of ivermectin is excreted in the feces. In cattle, sheep and horses significant amounts of ivermectin can remain in fecal 'pats' leading to reduced numbers of dung beetles.
Treatment:
There is no safe specific antidote for ivermectin toxicosis
Initially following an oral exposure the focus should be on ivermectin removal:
activated charcoal
saline cathartic
Symptomatic and Supportive care can help the majority of intoxicated animals
treatment could be prolonged (days to weeks)
intravenous fluids
pads
turning affected animals to prevent pressure sores
treat possible bradycardia
Picrotoxin has been proposed as a specific antidote. There are some reports of using picrotoxin to treat ivermectin toxicosis. It is generally titrated to effect. Picrotoxin is a potent GABA antagonist that causes an increase in the excitability of neurons in the CNS which leads to convulsions. Seizures caused by picrotoxin administration may be treated with barbituates. Picrotoxin has a narrow margin of safety and is not the best treatment for ivermectin toxicosis.
Physostigmine - is an uncharged, reversible inhibitor of acetylcholinesterase that can penetrated the Blood-Brain-Barrier.Physostigmine has been shown to have some effect in the comatose animal. This may be due to an increased concentration of acetylcholine in affected neurons. The comatose animal may exhibit a transient increase in metal alertness. This may be beneficial to the veterinarian by: confirming the diagnosis of ivermectin toxicosis, possibly treating the more severe cases and giving the owners hope for their comatose dog.

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343 posts, Mar 2003

mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003

mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003

posted 09-16-2003 06:50 AM            

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ps i have a record of one visitor treating with invermectin weekly for 2 months, on top of tons of other chemicals too ! ...and not just the normal stuff - the advice is to use 'horse paste'.
sulfate is also pushed for similar reasons, and more and more limonene is being urged on people - coincidentally with citric agric products becoming more in use.

these treatments are advised for symptoms which don't fit the id of the supposed parasite causing them. that way to doesn't work so more and more is urged to pile on . merely a vehicle to self-apply the poison and hide the tracks.

mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003

mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003

Senior Member

The Sea
417 posts, Aug 2003

posted 09-16-2003 12:54 PM            

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quote:

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Originally posted by mick:
consider me as paranoid as you like, but I know IT - I charge mucho dosh for my skills,

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So, Mick, just what do you know?

What kind of IT work do you do?

What types of systems do you work on?

What certifications do you have?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Wolf_Larson on 09-16-2003]

mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003

posted 09-16-2003 02:13 PM            

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mcse (6 required mcps +2 extra) for nt admin
mcse win2k

nearly 30 years IT support

network admin/ support/troubleshooting including internet banking.

NT based systems - inc 2k, xp ,98 even nt3.51
netware, unix - not expert but passable.
comms hardware and protocols.
moderate scripting and prog'ing.

I get well paid so I can't be that useless.

why?

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The Sea
417 posts, Aug 2003

mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003

mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003

posted 09-16-2003 03:31 PM            

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Oh so clumsy. cheers for popping round.

I was looking back to see if he was looking back.....what's the rest of the words wolf?

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The Sea
417 posts, Aug 2003

mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003

Senior Member

The Sea
417 posts, Aug 2003

posted 09-17-2003 10:12 AM            

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Woof, Woof


[Edited 1 times, lastly by Wolf_Larson on 09-17-2003]

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mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003

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The Sea
417 posts, Aug 2003

mcr, uk
36 posts, Sep 2003