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307 posts, Jan 2002

posted 04-04-2002 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BOB B   Email BOB B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe "they" are vaccinating our children against a future biological attack which will kill off everyone not vacinated, leaving these bastards with our children and us dead and rotting in a pile in large for the rash, could be a side effect of this vaccine,doesnt seem serious at this time, my kids have it but I dont

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Kelowna BC
1442 posts, Dec 2000

posted 04-07-2002 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Email Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today my son awoke with swollen eyes, very swollen upper lip, and a blotchy rash over upper legs, parts of arms, stomache, back, neck and feet. Two days ago he said there was a blistery itching on his left hand. His fingers are swollen as well. The doctor at the walk-in clinic gave a tentative diagnosis of PITYRIASIS...a viral? rash that could last several months. I asked if he thought this rash was related to the outbreak of rashes over the United Stated for past few months and he said he hasn't heard about that, that I probably know more about it than he! When I asked for this tentative diagnosis in writing the doctor became defensive and said he really doesn't know what it is for sure, but I am welcome to get a second opinion. DUH!!! When he brought out the page that had PITYRIASIS on, I noticed at the bottom it said "Mother is hostile and threatening". When I asked the receptionist why he would put that when I only asked for a copy of his diagnosis, she just shrugged. I asked to speak to the doctor again but she refused this, saying the doctor wouldn't talk to me.

I'm on my way now to the hospital for a second opinion. Will let y'all know what happens.

Has anyone else who knows someone with this rash heard of the diagnosis PITYRIASIS?

Over and out,
The hostile and threatening Lulu

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Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001

posted 04-07-2002 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry you got that response, Lulu. Fortunately your son has easily observable symptoms, or they might call his illness psychosomatic, induced by his hostile and threatening mother.

If it's any comfort, I have observed that doctors who really know what they are doing do not mind being questioned about what they are telling you. They may find themselves unable to explain medical terms adequately to a layperson, but competent physicians generally don't get defensive when you question a diagnosis.

P.S. I've never heard of PITYRIASIS (which, of course, means nothing). You may have to do a googlesearch.

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posted 04-07-2002 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Lu ,, Hope your son recovers quickly! I don't see anything about swelling or blistery ichys in this definition of Pityriasis. Actually, there are quite a few forms of pityriasis, did the helpful Dr say which kind he thought it was?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pityriasis rosea (Pit-ih-RYE-ah-sis Ro-ZEA) is a rash that can occur at any age but it occurs most commonly in people between the ages of 10 and 35 years. The rash can last from several weeks to several months. Usually there are no permanent marks as a result of this disease, although some darker-skinned persons may develop long-lasting flat brown spots that eventually fade.

What are the signs and symptoms of this disease?
The condition often begins as a large single pink patch on the chest or back. This patch may be scaly and is called a "herald" or "mother" patch. Often the person with this condition will think this patch is a ringworm and will apply creams that are used to get rid of fungus. This will not help since the rash is not caused by a fungus.

Within a week or two, more pink patches, sometimes hundreds of them, appear on the body and on the arms and legs. Patches may also occur on the neck, and though rare, the face. These spots usually are smaller than the "herald" patch and may also be mistaken for ringworm. The patches are oval and often form a pattern over the back that resembles the outline of a Christmas tree. Sometimes the disease can produce a more severe and wide-spread skin eruption. About half the patients will have some itching, especially when they become overheated.

Occasionally there may be other symptoms, including tiredness and aching. The rash usually fades and disappears within six to eight weeks, but can sometimes last much longer. Physical activity-like jogging and running, or bathing in hot water may cause the rash to temporarily worsen or reappear. In some cases, the patches will reappear up to several weeks after the first episode and can continue for many months.What is the cause of this skin disorder?
The cause is unknown. It is not caused by a fungus or bacteria. It also is not due to any type of allergy. Pityriasis rosea is not a sign of any internal disease.A virus may cause this rash. Like other known viral diseases, pityriasis rosea usually occurs only once in an individual, and occasionally makes a person feel slightly ill. But the virus theory has not been proven. Unlike many viruses, however, pityriasis rosea does not seem to spread from person to person.How is it diagnosed?
Diagnosis is usually made by a dermatologist, a physician with special training in skin diseases. Pityriasis rosea usually affects the back, neck, chest, abdomen and upper arms and legs. The rash may differ from person to person, making the diagnosis more difficult. The numbers and sizes of the spots can also vary and occasionally the rash can be found in an unusual location, such as the lower body or on the face. Fungus infections, like ringworm, may resemble this rash. Reactions to certain medications, such as antibiotics, "water pills" and heart medications can also look the same as pityriasis rosea.

The dermatologist may order blood tests, scrape the skin, or take a sample from one of the spots (skin biopsy) and examine it under a microscope to make the diagnosis.What is the treatment?
Treatment may include external or internal medications for itching. Soothing medicated lotions and lubricants may be prescribed. Lukewarm rather than hot baths may be suggested. Strenuous activity that could aggravate the rash should be avoided. Ultraviolet light treatments given under the supervision of a dermatologist may be helpful.Occasionally anti-inflammatory medications such as corticosteriods may be necessary to stop itching or make the rash go away. Patients should be reassured that this disease is not a dangerous skin condition even if it occurs during pregnancy.Remember that pityriasis rosea is a common skin disorder and is usually mild. Most cases usually do not need treatment and fortunately even the most severe cases eventually go away.

Photos of the rash:
Pityriasis versicolor:

Pityriasis versicolor is a harmless skin disorder caused by a yeast, Malassezia furfur, which may be found on normal skin. Usually this yeast grows sparsely without causing a rash. In some indviduals it grows more actively, for reasons unknown.This results in pale brown flaky patches on the trunk, neck, or arms. Pityriasis versicolor is pink or coppery in pale subjects, but on tanned skin the patches are lighter, since tanning does not occur in the affected areas. The yeast produces a chemical which diffuses down and impairs the function of the pigment cells in the underlying skin. The failure to tan is temporary; the skin tans normally with sun exposure after the rash has cleared up.Pityriasis versicolor is not contagious. It is more common in hot, humid climates or in those who sweat heavily, so it may recur each summer.

Pityriasis lichenoides :

Pityriasis lichenoides is the name given to an uncommon rash of unknown cause. Its mild form is known as "pityriasis lichenoides chronica (PLC)". The more severe form is known as "pityriasis lichenoides et varioliformis acuta (PLEVA)" (Mucha-Haberman disease).
Pityriasis lichenoides is probably a hypersensitivity reaction to a microorganism. No specific bacteria or virus has yet been identified however. It is not considered to be contagious.Pityriasis lichenoides most often affects adolescents and young adults. It is slightly more common in males. It is rare in infants and in old age.The patient usually feels quite well, but occasionally the crops of skin lesions are accompanied by mild headache and fever, especially with PLEVA.The lesions are small firm red-brown spots, 3 to 18 mm in diameter. In PLC they are non-irritating and have mica-like adherent scale, which can be scraped off to reveal a shiny brown surface. The spot flattens out over several weeks to leave a brown mark which fades over several months.PLEVA results in more irritable crusted spots or blisters, which heal to leave small scars looking like those from chicken pox. PLEVA may cause mouth ulcers.Most often, the lesions occur on the trunk, thighs and the inner aspect of the upper arms. Pityriasis lichenoides rarely affects the face or scalp, but it can arise at any other site. It may last for months or even several years, with crops of new lesions appearing every few weeks.
The diagnosis may be confirmed by a skin biopsy in which there are characteristic microscopic changes.TreatmentPityriasis lichenoides may not always respond to treatment and it may recur when treatment is discontinued. If the rash is not bothering you, treatment may not be necessary.
Topical steroids to reduce irritation
Natural sunlight
Phototherapy - artificial ultraviolet radiation treatment with UVB or PUVA
Oral erythromycin or tetracycline (antibiotics) taken for two or three months
Severe cases may be treated with systemic steroids or methotrexate

Pityriasis alba:
is generally an asymptomatic dermatitis.
Half of patients have lesions limited to the face.
A more severe variant of the disease is extensive pityriasis alba, which presents with lesions on the trunk and extremities. The extensive variant may be of longer duration and occurs in older patients more often than pityriasis alba does.Physical:
A flaky, hypopigmented, patchy dermatitis with fine scales involving the face and, at times, the neck and shoulders typically is found.
There can be numerous (up to 20 or more) hypopigmented macules, which are ill defined and range in size from 1-4 cm.
A minority of patients have erythema and pruritus that may occur prior to the appearance of the lesions.
A subgroup of patients has associated atopy, in which stigmata of that disorder may be found.Causes:
No definitive etiologic agent has been described.
Hypopigmentation may occur in other disorders, such as those caused by fungi (eg, tinea versicolor), previous inflammatory conditions (eg, postinflammatory hypopigmentation), or idiopathic disorders (eg, vitiligo), or it may occur secondary to medications such as retinoic acid, benzoyl peroxide, and topical steroids.
Pityriasis rubra pilaris

Pityriasis rubra pilaris is a chronic rare skin disorder characterized by reddish orange color of the skin, scaling plaques and keratotic follicular papules. In cases approaching erythroderma, islands of normal skin may persist. The disease affects persons of all ages, races, and nationalities, and it exhibits a variable clinical course. Both a familial and an acquired form of the disease have been found. Both sexes are affected equally. The familial type starts early in childhood whereas the acquired type may occur at any age. The disease is rare but no exact incidence has been reported. The inherited form of the disorder is persistent throughout life. The acquired disease usually shows remissions and exacerbations but some patients continue to have trouble for years.

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24 posts, Apr 2002

posted 04-07-2002 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oregon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have had some documented reports of rashes on school children here in Oregon.

Please understand that I am not at all de-bunking chemtrails or their reported health effects, but for the sake of objectivity....( our adversaries will bring ALL these things up) that these things might be considered:

Overall health of the children effected.

Previous allergic reactions/symptoms.

Exposure to pets, chemicals,smokers in the home.

Condition of air ducts at the schools and in the homes as it concerns molds, mildews, pollens, viral agents etc.

Diet, water..even genetic predispositions.

Stress..Lord knows that in the last several years, children have been bombarded with alot of stressful info, real and imaginary.

I think FEAR is a terrible disabler, and worse, FEAR is a powerful ENABLER of natural & supernatiral agencies as they seek to kill and destroy folks...FEAR opens the door so to speak..

It is written:
"Perfect love casteth out ALL fear.."

Health, love, peace are all connected, even when the most evil of forces may give you poison..:

.." and IF they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them.."

Without the Creator, and His love dwelling in us, we are vulnerable ..very vulnerable.

Read Psalm 91 it to your children..Read it aloud..
Determine to get into, and abide in that 'secret place of the most High'...

It is so simple that any child of faith can enter..jim

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Greenwich, CT, USA
383 posts, Feb 2002

posted 04-07-2002 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KrissaTMC2   Email KrissaTMC2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More information about Pityriasis rosea can be found here.

Pityriasis Alba

Pityriasis Versicolor


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Central Washington
305 posts, Apr 2001

posted 04-08-2002 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catnip57     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I asked if he thought this rash was related to the outbreak of rashes over the United Stated for past few months and he said he hasn't heard about that, that I probably know more about it than he! When I asked for this tentative diagnosis in writing the doctor became defensive and said he really doesn't know what it is for sure, but I am welcome to get a second opinion.

Lulu... when I read this portion of your last story all I could think was... what the heck!!... it's definitely obvious this doctor doesn't have a clue what your son has and I'm willing to bet he does know about the rashes and is just as much at a loss to explain their causes as the rest of the physicians confronted with this mystery. I'm willing to bet they're all getting a bit on the defensive side since this thing is challenging the medical community and they're probably worried about law suits and that's probably why you didn't get a written description... he doesn't want to be held libel for a mis-diagnosis.

The comment about you being threatening and hostile is really uncalled for... I'm wondering if this is going to be the new description for parents who get worked up about their kids health problems. That's sad!

I had a conversation with my brother recently that concerned problems some school kids were having in Gig Harbor Washington... it had something to do with blisters or welts... can't remember all the details. But I do remember reading a while back about a spraying operation that took place in Gig Harbor which left some kind of residue or goo over the area and plenty of people and animals came down with some really strange illnesses. I've tried to find that story but I'll have to keep looking. I'm not even sure what year this spraying happened, but when I find the story I'll post it. It made me wonder if perhaps this new outbreak of blisters with the kids had something to do with that particular spray operation.

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Kelowna BC
1442 posts, Dec 2000

posted 04-08-2002 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Email Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Krissa thanks for all the links...I checked them all out and none matched my son's. That's because the rash was NOT Pityriasis but an allergic reaction to something, although we couldn't think of what and ruled out medication, nor any new foods. My family Dr.(who has never steered me wrong in 12 yrs.) knew right away it was hives and prescribed Reactine and Benydryl. Said also that 80% of the time you never find out what caused the allergic reaction, but once had will never have this reaction again as body builds up immunity. There certainly is a lot of excellent and on-the-ball physicians out there!

The comment about you being threatening and hostile is really uncalled for... I'm wondering if this is going to be the new description for parents who get worked up about their kids health problems. That's sad!

Good call Catnip, I Like 3T3 said, a concerned parent has the right to question.

Oregon, my son doesn't fear anything.

Knew eyes, how's your boys? Great post with all the info and links. Thanks

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posted 04-09-2002 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The kids are fine now Lulu, the rash is gone, it was a short lived. The rashes were different though, it was 2 different types. My son had a bumpy one on his face and neck and eye that resembled poison sumac, or oak, but wasn't because that spreads and takes a long time to clear up, and leaves the affected area reddened for a while. His only lasted a few days and was gone. My daughter, his twin, had a flat red rash, like a large hive,on the crook of her arm which extended down the inner forearm which itched alot.She said it lasted only for about an hr, and was gone.
I didn't think your son had what the Dr diagnosed him as having, from the description differences Lulu. I wonder what the heck is going around that the kids are getting hives from? Kids that never had an allergic reaction in their life.

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Kelowna BC
1442 posts, Dec 2000

posted 06-21-2002 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Email Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mysterious Children's Rash Has
Now Spread To 27 States
By Amanda Gardner
HealthScoutNews Reporter

(HealthScoutNews) - Federal health officials are scratching their heads over a mysterious set of rashes now afflicting schoolchildren in 27 states. An initial report issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in March reported outbreaks in 14 states: Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Mississippi, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, Washington and West Virginia.

Since then, another 13 states have joined the list, says the CDC. The new states are: Alabama, Alaska, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Missouri, New Hampshire, and New Jersey. Similar rashes have also been reported in Canada.

Although the number of reported rashes is growing, "there's still no evidence for a common cause for all of the reports," CDC spokesman Mike Groutt says. "Investigations have identified causes for some of the rashes occurring in some of the schools. Regardless of the cause of the rashes, including those of unknown origin, reports indicate that they are self-limiting and affected children have few if any accompanying signs or symptoms."

No single cause has been identified, and the CDC emphasizes there's no evidence that all of the rashes are linked. Officials have also been quick to point out that rashes are common among schoolchildren and can be caused by a variety of factors. They include medications, dry or sensitive skin, eczema, allergies, viral infections and environmental factors.

However, the recent spate of rashes have raised concern because they've occurred simultaneously in various locales across the nation. They also began in the wake of Sept. 11 and subsequent anthrax attacks.

Between October 2001 and May 2002, rashes were reported among groups of schoolchildren at about 110 U.S. elementary, middle and high schools. The number of children affected at each school ranged from five to 274 (or less than 1 percent to 47 percent of the student population). Girls accounted for varying proportions of the affected -- from 33 percent to 100 percent.

The rashes themselves also had varied characteristics. Most children reported an itchy, sunburn-like rash on the cheeks and arms, a burning sensation on the skin or a hive-like reaction that moved from one part of the body to another. They tended to go away on their own, either within in an hour or sometimes not for more than a month.

Some states have managed to track down a cause. In New York, an outbreak among 242 elementary and middle-school students (representing 7 percent of the population of their school district) between January and April was determined to be the result of parvovirus B19, which causes fifth disease, an infection of red blood cells. Alaska, Illinois, Kentucky, Minnesota, and Mississippi have also had cases associated with parvovirus B19.

Other outbreaks might be psychogenic -- a response to seeing another child with a rash.

For the meantime, the CDC seems to be playing it cool, emphasizing the rashes do go away on their own and that most children don't have any other, more disruptive symptoms. The organization "is continuing to monitor reports of groups of schoolchildren with rashes and is providing technical assistance to state and local health departments," the researchers report in tomorrow's issue of the CDC publication Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

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Stamford, CT, USA
1281 posts, Dec 2001

posted 07-12-2002 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Rockwell   Email Dan Rockwell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
July 10, 2002

Minn. Clinic Warns of Faulty Vaccine

ASSOCIATED PRESSMINNEAPOLIS- Freezing temperatures may have ruined thousands of doses of vaccines, meaning patients may need new injections, but the clinic that gave the shots said no one was in danger.

About 3,400 people, half of them children, received the questionable vaccines from Park Nicollet Clinic in the Minneapolis metropolitan area.

The vaccines included polio booster shots, hepatitis A and B shots and Prevnar, a vaccine for infants and toddlers. There have been no signs of illness so far among the patients, though some probably weren't protected against disease, said Dr. Hal Martin, medical director of Park Nicollet's travel clinic.

The patients received their vaccines on days when temperatures in storage rooms fell below freezing. The vaccines are supposed to be kept at 35 to 46 degrees.

The problem came to light at a Park Nicollet clinic in suburban Minnetonka. A check of storage logs revealed the same problem at eight other Park Nicollet sites since December.

The same cold-storage problem has also been found at five or six other unidentified clinics in Minnesota, state epidemiologist Kristen Ehresmann said.

It also has been happening around the country, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. Park Nicollet said it was spending about $300,000 to correct the problem, including providing replacement shots.

Getting a second vaccine is safe, medical officials said. "It might cause a sore arm, but you cannot be overvaccinated," Martin said.

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posted 07-30-2002 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrNuke   Email MrNuke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to alarm anyone, but there is a serious skin disease spreading that appears to be caused by parasites. Thousands of people have reported this to the CDC over the last few years, but they keep ignoring us. And of course, they use the regular story to keep this covered up....we're crazy. I don't know if you or your kids have this, but be aware that it does exist and avoid any contact that is not necessary. I am the only one in my family affected, wife and kids are asymptomatic. Also, remember that many serious diseases, like Lyme's Disease, starts with a rash that goes away quickly. Please visit the following web sites to learn more about this disease and to see if you might be affected. One thing I do know for a result of illegal immigration and globalization, parasites are an unchecked epidemic in the U.S. An easy way to check yourself is to eat some pumpkin seeds and see what comes out with them. Please don't mention this to your kids, as it will scare them. It scares me too.

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Central Washington
305 posts, Apr 2001

posted 07-31-2002 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catnip57     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mr. Nuke.... Welcome to the Chemtrail Forum... Are you saying that you've been exposed to a type of skin parasite? Do you have rash symptoms and did you have a doctor diagnose you?

What's the deal with the pumpkin seeds.. is this some type of cure? And do these parasites look like a worm? Guess maybe I should read the links you posted.. I might find answers to some of my questions there..
Thanks for the new information.

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posted 07-31-2002 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for increase 1776     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mr.Nuke Wecome aboard. The skin parasite site is pretty good been checking it out for last year and a half. I have been experiencing skin problems for just over three years now. Dermatologist couldn't figure out what it is but would write scripts for doxycyclene .A years worth.Check out a good skin doc. If, you can find one.My rash almost goes away and then,it's back again.Skin parasites,mold from water damage in the home,chemtrails,or a combination of all ,all possibilities. Hang in there.

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posted 07-31-2002 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrNuke   Email MrNuke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I seem to have some kind of skin parasite.... as described in the links.
Read this for one man's story:
The pumpkin seeds will usually kill some of the internal parasites people are describing. I mentioned it, as it is the cheapest way to check. There are many sites on the net selling anti-parsite medicines. You can also buy black walnut hull extract, wormwood, and cloves which are the most common ingedients of most of these medicines.
I mention this because everyone who has the skin parasites... who has checked....has also found internal parasites too. Most people seem to be unwilling to check their stool, so we really don't know if there is a definite connection between the internal parasites and what people are finding on their skin.

Here is another link with extensive research and historical info.

I don't know how chemtrails are related to this disease. Some have suggested we are being sprayed to cure us, while others think we are being infected by the trails.

What ever the case, many are suffereing from this disease, and doctors refuse to admit it exists, despite all the physical samples that have been submitted to them. I asked three doctors to run DNA tests to identify the fibers....and they all refused....even though I was willing to pay for the analysis.

God Bless Us All.


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posted 08-01-2002 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catnip57     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MrNuke... I had a chance last night to look at pictures and read some of the articles on the links that you posted... I have to say I've never seen anything like what they describe Elliot's disease to be. It looks definately dreadful. You have my sympathies.
I'm real puzzled why the doctors won't do a DNA analysis on those fibers... you should still check around to find one that will.. it could give them some much needed information that could help with your condition.

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posted 08-01-2002 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrNuke   Email MrNuke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thanks for taking the time to read the articles. However, if you read enough of the articles, you would realize that doctors/dermatologists refuse to admit that this disease exists....despite the fact that no scientific studies have ever been done. They use the same tactics as chemtrails. They deny their existence and/or claim the person is crazy.


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Seattle, WA
106 posts, May 2002

posted 08-01-2002 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unhappy Trails   Email Unhappy Trails     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello everyone. I'm going to step out on a limb here and suggest you research manganese poisoning. Manganese came back 7x EPA Risk Base Exposure in the soil I had analysed. So did selenium. Which means absolutely nothing because it didn't come from the center of a plume, right? It's interesting though to speculate as the symptoms of toxic exposure are quite similar to what y'all have been descibing. I don't know about you but the next blood workup I have done I'm asking for a manganese tox screen. Click on Materials and Safety Data, then take a look at manganese sulfide/ manganese/selenium. Could most definitely be 'nothing at all' but my imagination.

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