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Dan Rockwell
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Stamford, CT, USA
1306 posts, Dec 2001

posted 07-30-2002 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Rockwell   Email Dan Rockwell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today: July 30, 2002 at 7:00:09 PDT

Whales Stranded Again on Cape Cod

ASSOCIATED PRESS

EASTHAM, Mass.- About 40 pilot whales became stranded on a Cape Cod beach Tuesday, just one day after volunteers pushed them back out to sea from another beach. The development is "pretty bad news" and may be a sign the whales are dying, an expert said.

The small black whales, which had been tagged on Monday before being freed from Chapin Beach in Dennis, were found stuck in shallow water Tuesday morning about 25 miles to the east.

About 20 people were at the remote beach in Eastham trying to keep the whales wet until they could be returned to deeper water again, said Chris Bailey, of the International Fund for Animal Welfare. It was not immediately known why the whales became stranded.

Bailey said blood samples may be taken to determine if they were ill, in which case the whales might need to be euthanized. "This is pretty bad news for them considering they've refloated once," said Kristin Patchett, of the Cape Cod Stranding Network. "The fact that they've stranded again probably means they're in pretty bad shape. It's not a very good day, unfortunately."

Patchett said the pilot whales go into shock when they strand, and if that can't be reversed they will wind up stranding again or dying at sea. Mass strandings of pilot whales are not unusual since they are highly sociable animals that travel and feed in groups and frequent areas near the coastline. On Monday, hundreds of people worked feverishly to free 55 whales that were stranded in shallow water at Dennis.

One whale was already dead when rescuers arrived, and another was euthanized after going into shock, said Sallie Riggs, director of the stranding network. Seven others died in the hot sun. The rising midday tide helped the volunteers push the remaining 46 whales into deeper water.

Representatives of the stranding network, the New England Aquarium in Boston and the Center for Coastal Studies had said they were concerned the whales could return to shallow water. Another whale died Monday night on a beach in the Cape town of Sandwich, about 15 miles from Dennis. That whale was euthanized so it wouldn't attract others onto the shore.

Pilot whales are common along the New England coast. They range from 12 to 16 feet in length as adults and weigh about 1,800 pounds. Also known as blackfish for their color, they feed on squid, sand eels and small crustaceans. In July 2000, 10 pilot whales died after stranding in shallow water off Nantucket Island, and on Christmas Eve of 1991, 31 stranded pilot whales died off Cape Cod.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/jul/30/073002967.html

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Alpha-Theta
superbradyon


Central Indiana
333 posts, May 2002

posted 07-30-2002 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alpha-Theta   Visit Alpha-Theta's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the science that our resident debunkers speak of??

Excerpt from CNN article:

quote:
Scientists are still speculating on the reasons for such strandings. While there is no firm conclusion, it is generally believed the whales play follow the leader when the lead whale in a pod becomes disoriented due to illness or gets lost in the shallow water

They play follow the leader!! I should have known.

I don't believe that the integration of ignorance and science is a viable solution.

Then again what do I know; I believe there is such a thing as orgone... obviously it must be intuitive with today's scientific approach that I simply have less than half a brain.

[Edited 5 times, lastly by Alpha-Theta on 07-31-2002]

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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!


Stamford, CT, USA
1306 posts, Dec 2001

posted 07-30-2002 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Rockwell   Email Dan Rockwell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You'd be surprised how many times I heard the whole follow the leader explanation on the radio today Alpha. I don't believe it for a moment.

That explanation doesn't even come close to explaining why giant squid, that are usually deep sea dwellers, would suddenly come to the surface and beach themselves and why that many of them would be in that one area in the first place.

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Jim Peterson
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posted 07-31-2002 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Peterson   Email Jim Peterson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since I don't read this board very often I just noticed this thread. The booms you are hearing are probably from the live firing occuring at the Fort Lewis/ McChord training area. The areas have been quite active over the past few weeks. Here is a copy of the NOTAM for this week. Tacoma WA (Mcchord AFB) [TCM]: July NOTAM #26
R6703A / B / D active plus see charts 0601 - 1359 daily will be effective July 29th, 2002 at 11:01 PM PDT (0207300601) - August 02nd, 2002 at 06:59 AM PDT (0208021359)


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Alpha-Theta
superbradyon


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333 posts, May 2002

posted 07-31-2002 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alpha-Theta   Visit Alpha-Theta's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right Jim and I suppose that accounts for the East Coast Booms too. How about all the dead whales in Australia?? They were playing follow the leader too?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Alpha-Theta on 07-31-2002]

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Jim Peterson
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posted 07-31-2002 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Peterson   Email Jim Peterson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't say it was all from that, I was just giving what I feel is a good explanation for the booms south of Seattle. I have no idea what is causing the things, personally I really don't care, but I like reading the theories and ideas.

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Dan Rockwell
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1306 posts, Dec 2001

posted 07-31-2002 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Rockwell   Email Dan Rockwell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That still wouldn't explain why 12 tons of squid suddenly decided to come to the surface and beach themselves Jim.

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Alpha-Theta
superbradyon


Central Indiana
333 posts, May 2002

posted 07-31-2002 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alpha-Theta   Visit Alpha-Theta's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't think that the SONAR testing is coincidentally relevant here, Jim?

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Jim Peterson
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5 posts, Jun 2002

posted 07-31-2002 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Peterson   Email Jim Peterson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I honestly don't know enough about it. It very well could be, but without enough knowledge in the area I won't lean one way or another. Being from the Seattle area I do know that the restricted area near McChord has been active and it is quite common to hear the live firing activities from there.

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Unhappy Trails
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Seattle, WA
117 posts, May 2002

posted 07-31-2002 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unhappy Trails   Email Unhappy Trails     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what's happening at 6:59 a.m August 2, Jim? I'm not too savvy with military codes. I'll have my recording equipment ready 20 minutes early listening for those blasts if that's what they are. Must be some weapon though, sucks the air right out of my ears.
Did I read you right? You say you're from Seattle but you really don't care what's happening to the marine mammals? You must be a transplant. Transfer somewhere else.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Unhappy Trails on 07-31-2002]

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Catnip57
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posted 07-31-2002 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catnip57     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since we live almost next door to the Yakima Firing Center I can say from experience that when they're doing their war training they raise a lot of racket but we always know what's causing the booming sounds and sometimes shaking windows. I've never seen any of the lightening like flashes coming from their direction... I have seen flashes coming from other directions and it's always rather intriguing trying to figure out what's causing them. It's not a very frequent event in our area.

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Dan Rockwell
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Stamford, CT, USA
1306 posts, Dec 2001

posted 07-31-2002 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Rockwell   Email Dan Rockwell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim's probably just feeling the effects of whatever they're spraying on us U/T. Nobody here in Stamford seems to be behaving normally. It's like most of them would rather sit around and watch the paint peel than do anything. There's usually a lot of activity during the summer, but this year things are strangely quiet. I'm not even functioning at 100% right now.

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Dan Rockwell
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Stamford, CT, USA
1306 posts, Dec 2001

posted 07-31-2002 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Rockwell   Email Dan Rockwell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This might just be a coincidence but it is just a little bit suspicious.


Strong Earthquake Rattles Panama

The Associated Press
Tuesday, July 30, 2002; 10:04 PM

PANAMA CITY, Panama –– A strong earthquake knocked out power and telephone service in parts of Panama Tuesday, and was also felt in neighboring Costa Rica, authorities reported.

There were no immediate reports of injury.

The quake struck late Tuesday and was centered on Panama's Pacific coast near the border with Costa Rica.

Jaime Toral, an employee of Panama's Geo-Sciences Institute placed the magnitude at 6.0.

The U.S. Geological Survey placed the magnitude at 5.9.The quake caused blackouts in the city of David, located about 25 miles from the epicenter and 200 miles west of Panama City.

Local radio stations reported that residents of David rushed out of homes and buildings during the quake, and that some telephone service was interrupted.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23561-2002Jul30.html


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Alpha-Theta
superbradyon


Central Indiana
333 posts, May 2002

posted 07-31-2002 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alpha-Theta   Visit Alpha-Theta's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought the same thing when I saw it Dan. Maybe they were aiming for the notoriously controversial Canal?

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Unhappy Trails
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Seattle, WA
117 posts, May 2002

posted 07-31-2002 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unhappy Trails   Email Unhappy Trails     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WHALE BEACHING IN PERTH, AUSTRALIA
JULY 27, 2002

World - AP Australia & Antarctica

Attempts Fail to Rescue Whales
Sat Jul 27, 8:27 AM ET

PERTH, Australia (AP) - Nearly 60 whales stranded on an Australian beach have died or were euthanized after failed attempts to return them to the water, officials said Saturday.

Local fisherman found the 58 false killer whales stranded late Friday on Tooregullup Beach, about 360 miles southeast of Perth, the Western Australia state capital, said Keiran McNamara, spokesman for the state's Conservation and Land Management department.

McNamara said the fishermen managed to return six of the whales to the water, but 44 of the animals had already died.

Attempts to rescue the remaining eight whales were hampered by the sighting of a white pointer shark in the area. The waters off the beach also are a breeding ground for bronze whaler sharks, McNamara said.

Wildlife officers and a veterinarian tried to stabilize the eight whales overnight and planned to rescue them in the morning. However, by dawn Saturday two of the animals had died, and the rest were weak and distressed and were killed to end their suffering.

An air survey of the area about 60 miles either side of the beach revealed no evidence of other whales stranded.

Whale beaching are largely a mystery to scientists, but some suspect there is a link between stranded whales and powerful sonar equipment used by navies that interferes with the whales guidance frequencies and disorients the animals.

False killer whales are 15 to 18 feet long and weigh about a ton. They are found worldwide in tropical and temperate waters.

ARTICLE SUBMITTED BY: PENUMBRA


[Edited 1 times, lastly by Unhappy Trails on 07-31-2002]

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Unhappy Trails
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Seattle, WA
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posted 07-31-2002 04:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unhappy Trails   Email Unhappy Trails     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JULY 31, 2002

One week ago today the Millenium Challenge 2002 began. So far we've lost 12 tons of squid, and approximately 100 whales. We've got 15 more days to go. This is appalling.

Does anyone remember the Michael639 Action Packs from last week? Look up Action Pack #1-5. The folks from West Australia as well as Byron Bay on the East Coast Australia are screamin' bloody murder from the chemtrails!

[Edited 7 times, lastly by Unhappy Trails on 08-01-2002]

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Bonehead9
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131 posts, May 2002

posted 07-31-2002 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bonehead9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dan Rockwell:
That still wouldn't explain why 12 tons of squid suddenly decided to come to the surface and
beach themselves Jim.

By what evidence, Dan have you come to the conclusion that the two events (booms south of Seattle, and dead squid in the ocean) are linked?

If you live near a military base that conducts live fire exercises, then I would expect that you would hear an occasional boom. The Army plays with some BIG guns!


Jim Peterson, don’t let the rude behavior of Alpha Theta, Dan Rockwell, and Unhappy Trails put you off from posting here. You have a valid point.

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Bonehead9
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posted 07-31-2002 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bonehead9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From MaverickGoose, an intersting site on whale beachings
http://www.deafwhale.com/stranding/theories.html


BTW and slightly off topic, does anyone remember the Steinfeld episode when George pulled the golf ball out of the whales blowhole?

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Alpha-Theta
superbradyon


Central Indiana
333 posts, May 2002

posted 07-31-2002 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alpha-Theta   Visit Alpha-Theta's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Bonehead, maybe you should read the whole post before commenting.

It's apparent that the NAVY is in fact testing SONAR. Dead Whales in Australia, West Coast, East Coast. Earthquake in Panama. Hey Bonehead, have you ever heard of ELF?? perhaps you should look it up. It's called extremely low frequency. Non-hertzian might I add but then again I don't expect you to know what that means.

You think anybody cares about 'mavericks' theories or ideas?? That's the funniest thing I've heard all year.

Jim Peterson has no valid point. U/T claims to have heard booms that are usually not heard in Seattle. Obviously Seattle is a fairly large city. If there were loud enough booms at the nearby MIA they would commonly be heard in Seattle, which doesn't seem to be the case. Not to mention reports of similar booms on the East Coast.

Also, I did not say anyting rude to Jim. It's apparent by his comments that he is somewhat apathetic and that he has no valid input regarding these issues. Accordingly, with your poor attempt to trivialise this thread, you are a poor excuse for a debunker.

I don't believe that the integration of ignorance and science is a viable solution

Bonehead it's apparent that you wouldn't know relativity if it smacked you in the face, which it already has.



[Edited 13 times, lastly by Alpha-Theta on 07-31-2002]

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Bonehead9
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posted 07-31-2002 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bonehead9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alpha-Theta:
Hey U/T,

I am certain that the booms are either

1. a result of scalar activity initiated by HIPAS (poker flats, AK).

2. The transduction of electric energy into sound energy (SONAR) in coordination with submarine comm projects.

G.W.E.N. transponders make more of a (sometimes, based on proximity and sensory adaptation) intermittent hum, but the frequency is a bit higher than the HIPAS waves being used (wether it be SONAR or SCALAR).

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Alpha-Theta on 07-27-2002]



Please enlighten us as to the logic behind these conclusions. Please present supporting evidence. The evidence must be specific and pertinent to the phenomena reported by U/T. Please present evidence that would rule out all simpler explanations (ie military training, aircraft, road and building construction, ect.).

I don’t have to trivialize this discussion; you already did with your first post.

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superbradyon


Central Indiana
333 posts, May 2002

posted 07-31-2002 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alpha-Theta   Visit Alpha-Theta's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol. Bonehead I feel no need to elaborate further upon your request. Instead I feel that you need to do some research if you want answers here. I figured it out on my own even before the occurence of what are now numerous correlations, which are undoubtedly directly related. You, on the other hand, have zilch.

Again, perhaps you should look into ELF, LFAS, or any other directed energy devices if you really want to know.

The dead whales and squid are definitely relative, and the earthquake very well could be. In accordance with my original post, these correlations serve to provide some substance, which is more than you have.

Again, you are trying to reverse the situation on me. Perhaps if you feel like you know what is going on you should reciprocate with at least as much information as I have already provided. Then, maybe with some 'actual' correlation there may be reason to believe your theory, whatever it may be. I won't hold my breath!

Instead of using your pathetic debunker tactic of reversing the situation I challenge you to address the relative correlations and the information I have already provided first. ROFL.

Also, that link you posted was obviously written to refute and obfuscate what is really happening. It's also important to note that the conclusions met in the said link are not consistent with the research criteria noted in that same document. There are no solid facts in it, but only what appear to be reverse engineering of media reports.

Not only are these whales stranding, they are stranding all over the globe in one instance. explain that.

Explain how you believe that extremely powerful wavelenghts of sound energy are penetrating the depths of the oceans but yet you see no possible correlation with deaf and dying marine biology.

We call that 'ignorance' where i'm from.

[Edited 6 times, lastly by Alpha-Theta on 07-31-2002]

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posted 07-31-2002 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unhappy Trails   Email Unhappy Trails     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering when they'ld show up. Where ya been? It only took ya four days!

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Alpha-Theta
superbradyon


Central Indiana
333 posts, May 2002

posted 07-31-2002 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alpha-Theta   Visit Alpha-Theta's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
By what evidence, Dan have you come to the conclusion that the two events (booms south of Seattle, and dead squid in the ocean) are linked

I saw this and realised the petty attempt at slipping in a demonstrably substantiated assumption. U/T never said the boom came from the 'south'. Or maybe U/T did say that and I overlooked it. lol. who knows, ya know!? (uh edit) damn it i've exposed my humanity.

Tell me Bonehead, what makes you so certain that the boom came from south of Seattle? What about other reports of East coast booms?

Live firing at FT. BRAGG maybe?

[Edited 3 times, lastly by Alpha-Theta on 08-01-2002]

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KrissaTMC2
Never Surrender!


Greenwich, CT, USA
387 posts, Feb 2002

posted 07-31-2002 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KrissaTMC2   Email KrissaTMC2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
By what evidence, Dan have you come to the conclusion that the two events (booms south of Seattle, and dead squid in the ocean) are linked?

At last count, I think Dan hypothetically linked 3 events bonehead. First of all were the sonic booms which could have a wide variety of explanations such as tectonic stress, scaler weapons or a live fire exercises.

quote:
The Army plays with some BIG guns!

ROFL - We do play with some big guns bonehead but unless they were setting off some kind of live ordinance at depth using submarines, or testing similar to a Daisy Cutter then I don't think that live fire would bring the squid to the surface like that. Of course I think Dan did mention somewhere along the line that the booms and the squid washing ashore just could have been a coincidence.

U/T mentioned the frequency of the booms right at the beginning of this thread that I thought was rather interesting.

quote:
It times out to be every 5-15 seconds between booms. Everyone I know is starting to notice and ask questions. Thank God for that. Sometimes it starts at 8:00 a.m. and lasts all day. Sometimes 5:30 p.m and lasts for an hour, and sometimes it starts at 10:30 p.m. and lasts only 30 minutes. It's random but occurring several times a week.

I doubt that there would be that many live fire exercises bonehead. It is possible though.

quote:
Alpha, when this sonic boom occurs it sounds like it's coming from deep within the earth, the sky, as well as the water. We're all looking around trying to figure out which direction it's coming from. It's all encompassing, coming from every direction. I can feel the earth vibrating when it happens. This can't possibly be good for our Fault Line either.

I found this statement by U/T quite interesting and apparently the booms, whatever they were, weren't good for the fault line.

Secondly, there was the stranding of the giant squid in approximately the same time frame. Something like this event is extremely rare and happened once before over 100 years ago according to one account. Until quite recently Dosidicus gigas lived further south and was rarely seen in California waters.

quote:
The biggest surprise to me is the migration of Dosidicus gigas, the Humboldt squid, into Oregon waters. This is a species that has occurred off southern California during El Ninos. It is probably a distributional record here. Large quantities of this squid (thousands of pounds) have been and are being caught by midwater and bottom trawlers--even into early December, after surface waters have been cooled by mixing.

http://darwin.bio.uci.edu/~sustain/Enso97/1297/05DecCA.html

And thirdly, there was the 6.0 earthquake in Panama.

I've always been kind of suspicious about events happening in groups of three.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by KrissaTMC2 on 07-31-2002]

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KrissaTMC2
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posted 07-31-2002 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KrissaTMC2   Email KrissaTMC2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Before I forget, here's another article about the squid.

07/24/2002 - Updated 08:48 AM ET

El Niño a suspect in mass squidicide

By Valerie Alvord, special for USA TODAY

SAN DIEGO — Thousands of jumbo squid washing up on the beaches of Southern California are delighting sport fishermen, catching swimmers off guard and puzzling scientists. The influx of the 2-foot-long sea creatures could be the result of an El Niño weather pattern forming in the central Pacific Ocean — or it may be just a fluke.


Scientists aren't sure.

"We're catching thousands of them in our boats," says Bob Fletcher, president of the Sportfishing Association of California. "Anytime we see this kind of squid, it means we'll see more tuna and mahi-mahi. This definitely will be a good year for sport fishing."

The bounty of squid off California isn't the only odd happening in U.S. coastal waters this summer. Record jellyfish populations in parts of the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean are stumping the experts and vexing swimmers with painful stings.

Eric Hochberg, a biologist with the Santa Barbara Museum of Natural History, says the squid periodically drift north to California from warmer waters in Mexico.

"If they get washed up on the beach, they're goners," says Paul Smith, a fisheries biologist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in La Jolla, about 10 miles north of downtown San Diego, where the current influx appears to be centered.

Smith says the deep-water temperature off the coast of California is about 5 degrees warmer than normal, which indicates the presence of a "moderate" El Niño effect.

El Niño is a weather pattern formed by warming of Pacific Ocean waters along the equator. That creates a chain reaction that changes weather around the world. The phenomenon sometimes brings highly abnormal weather — heavy rains and mudslides to the arid Southwest, for example, says Pao-Shin Chu, state climatologist in Hawaii.

El Niño also tends to suppress hurricanes in the Atlantic. But the El Niño forming this year is expected to be weak and might not affect hurricanes, says Greg Forbes, severe weather expert at The Weather Channel.

The squid in San Diego, scientific name Dosidicus gigas, are the kind chefs use to carve large calamari steaks.

On the beach at La Jolla Cove, the dead squid are causing mixed reactions.

"They scare me," says Andrew Romero, 15, a guitar player from Fresno who was relaxing after ending a tour of the USA with his Christian music group, Tait. "I figure they might attract sharks."

Megan Moore, 13, of Moreno Valley and her cousins from Fort Worth spent hours tearing the squid apart and feeding them to fish.

Sayaka Kanomata, 22, a day care operator from the nearby neighborhood of Clairemont, says the creatures are "kinda gross. But all the guys I'm with think they're cool."

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2002/2002-07-23-elninosquids.htm

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