posted 10-10-2001 08:27 PM            

OMG...this is really Dr. Who stuff. That movie that came out years back with Michael Keaton...Mulitplicity.. is there any truth to the science that the further they go like copying an original off a xerox the more diluted the original becomes? Sorry, I'm counting on you guys for info. It's all I can do to chase down receivables for SG right now...

As if we don't have enough to worry about!

OT for another thread. No updates 3T3 on the Science forum for altitude measuring n the last few days...any advancement? Where exactly do you think Dad went wrong in his observances? Have you not had any samples of lines or Xs show up that could have the possibility of measurement?

We got hammered today with CTs, nothing out of the ordinary.

posted 10-10-2001 08:51 PM            

“...why our current President is a member of the Skull and Crossbones Society...”

[Last I heard, Skull and Bones was a fraternity. Like most Ivy-League fraternities, S&C chooses their members based on how wealthy and influential their parents were (and back then, you had to
be pretty wealthy and influential -- and White -- to even get into an Ivy League school). So you had fraternity brothers helping out fraternity brothers; and Harvard and Yale guys pretty much ran the
country up through the first half of the 20th century. Just because a bunch or rich kids tend to stick together does not make it a plot.]

“...when he was ‘sworn in’ on innauguration [sic] day on a Masonic Bible...”

[I never heard of that. To the best of my knowledge, there isn’t even such a thing as a
“Masonic Bible”. I would like to see some sort of evidence – not just hearsay – before I’d consider that story to be anything more than gossip.]

“I have never read anywhere, where the Masonic and Skull and Bones Societies are about Jesus...”

[They’re not. But neither is Boeing or Microsoft or Burger King. I work at one, use an operating system from another and eat at the third on occasion. Does that mean I’m “against” Jesus? There are a lot of perfectly innocuous things that are not about Jesus.]

“...and how so many people can sweep under the rug the SNL scanals [sic] in reference to
the current president...”

[If by SNL you mean ‘Saturday Night Live’, I hope you don’t consider the skits they do about our public figures as being valid. They’re a comedy skit – not much more. If you don’t mean ‘Saturday Night Live’, then I can’t answer the question...]

“I hate to get into politics, because neither party or most candidates ever seem to be what is really desirable and needed by and for the people...”

[No argument there. As far as I’m concerned, they’re all bozos. As I see it, both the ‘liberals’ and ‘conservatives’ like big government, and they want to take away your freedoms. The ‘liberals’ want to steal my guns and take my income for their crackpot social schemes, and the ‘conservatives’ are fixated on whom I sleep with and whether or not my wife chooses to have an abortion. I’d prefer the government to mind someone else’s business, not mine, thank you very much.]

“I wish someone could explain to me in a clear and un-political, and non-emotionally
charged way all of the above...especially when it comes to the beliefs of this man???”

[I don’t know what his beliefs are. He says he’s a Christian and he says that the most important person in his life is Jesus Christ. Since I don’t have any evidence otherwise, I think I’ll take him
at his word on that one.]

Anyway, there you have it. I hope that what I said is “clear, un-political, and non-emotionally charged”; that’s what I set out to do, anyway.

Hugz,

posted 10-10-2001 09:00 PM            

#2, Your dad was correct in his comments on the X south of Lubbock. But last week's c-trails were the only ones we've had in months. This week we're back to clear skies again. (Don't hate me, okay?)

posted 10-10-2001 09:11 PM            

What do Presidents George Washington, George Bush, and George W. Bush have in common besides their first name? A bible from St. Johns Lodge No. 1 in New York. On January 20th President-Elect George W. Bush plans to take the oath of office with his left hand on the same bible his father swore on in 1989. In addition to his father and George Washington in 1789, other Presidents sworn in on the same bible were Warren G. Harding, Dwight Eisenhower and Jimmy Carter. http://www.ardemolay.org/news/news11201.shtml

Apparently, because of the rainy weather at the inauguration, G.W. Bush was not allowed to use the Masonic Bible, as planned.

St. John's Lodge #1 Bible

This is the bible used by George Washington at the First Inaugural. President Bush requested that it be used in his Inauguration Ceremony. The Bible was present, but because of inclement weather was not used. Another Bible was substituted at the last minute. This was a decision made by the lodge committee responsible for the "Washington" Bible.

What is a Masonic Bible?

posted 10-10-2001 09:58 PM            

3T3: ....#2, Your dad was correct in his comments on the X south of Lubbock. But last week's c-trails were the only ones we've had in months. This week we're back to clear skies again. (Don't hate me, okay?.....

Hate you? Are you kidding?? Jealous of the clear skies maybe.
NASA launch taking off as I write..they said it was cancelled but there it goes...NASA, what do you all think of them??...no telling these days. Just some sort of missile..ha!

Thanks for the clone info. If I sent you a pic of the mess in our skies do you think you could do some altitude studies...or does it have to be first hand.

We are getting hammered for the last 10 days or so. 3T3 will there be more on the altitude issue..if my Dad's expertise in physics can help he will contribute through me.

For Duncan: [I never heard of that. To the best of my knowledge, there isn’t even such a thing as a
“Masonic Bible”. I would like to see some sort of evidence – not just hearsay – before I’d consider that story to be anything more than gossip.]

I bought one out of ignorance when I first became a born agian Christian. Same bible George Washington used. I thought well, a bible is a bible... Find one and see for yourself. I was very disillusioned and disheartened, Ben Franklin a direct ancestor of mine was also a Mason. I'm sure Amazon.com could provide you with one.
[They’re not. But neither is Boeing or Microsoft or Burger King. I work at one, use an operating system from another and eat at the third on occasion. Does that mean I’m “against” Jesus? There are a lot of perfectly innocuous things that are not about Jesus.]

Correct, but they don't promote Satan either. Well maybe with the exception of Burger King...(lighten up...just kidding)

Good discussion, thanks for the feed back. We're all here looking for very elusive answers that may not be availabe. Appreciate everyones input.

FLKook

posted 10-10-2001 10:23 PM            

Yes, you do have to take the clinometer readings yourself. Pick an easily-identifiable portion of the c-trail. Record the (#1) elevation and (#2)degrees of variance from your direction of travel at the location farther from the c-trail, (#3)distance driven [must be in a straight line], and (#4) elevation and (#5) variance from your direction of travel at the location nearer the c-trail. Just today I figured out a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet that lets me plug in those numbers and come up with the altitude of the c-trail. Once you have the altitude, you have to go immediately to the ADDS web site to determine the temperature and relative humididity at that altitude at your location. (Science is hard, no two ways about it.)

If you can persuade your dad to do all that, I'll write up a protocol for him to follow, if he would like one.

Here are some rules for forecasting contrails. These are from "An Introduction to Forecasting Contrails," Naval Postgraduate School; MR3421; ­Cloud Physics; Prof. P. Durkee and Frank M. Schenk, LT USN.
http://www.met.nps.navy.mil/~durkee/MR3421/ProjectFS.pdf

When you know the temperature but not the relative humidity--
1. If temperature is less than -50°C: Forecast contrails.
2. If temperature is between -49°C and -40°C and there is upward motion: Forecast contrails.
3. If temperature is between -49°C and -40°C and there is downward motion: Forecast no contrails.
4. If temperature is above -39°C: Forecast no contrails.

posted 10-11-2001 10:51 AM            

You mentioned that you owned a "Masonic Bible" at one time without knowing what it was. In your post you said:

"Look into it",

"...I didn't know the difference. Big difference!",

"see for yourself", and

"enough for me to see the additions and subtractions."

Now I don't want to start a cat-fight here, because I'd never even heard of a Masonic Bible until yesterday, and I know absolutely nothing about it. But from what 3T3L1 says, it's just a regular Bible with a couple of extra pages there, sort of like the "Presented to" or the "Births, "Marriages", and "Deaths" pages you see in the front of most Bibles. Yet from what you say, I get the feeling that there were some major changes to the actual scripture itself, sort of like some of the Apocrypha that you'll see in other Bibles.

What are those changes? You say you saw the 'additions and subtractions'. Give me some examples if you would. This is pretty new to me. Meanwhile, I'll keep researching to try and find out more.

While on the Bible business, I prefer the KJV for its beautiful language and because it's the Bible I grew up with. But the English language has changed quite a bit since 1621.

For example, back then the word "Kill" meant to murder, not to take someone's life, like it means today. When the KJV says "Thou Shalt not Kill", it meant, in the English of the early 17th Century, that you aren't supposed to murder anyone. If the translators of that era wanted the people to not take life at all, they wouldn't have said, "Thou Shalt not Kill"; they would've said, "Thou Shalt not Slay".

Remember, the KJV was a translation of a translation, and many errors could've crept in. With the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1948, there was a tremendous resurgence of scholarship in the bible, because for the first time, modern people had some of the original writings, which hadn't gone through several different generations of translations. That's why, from a scholarly point of view, I consider the NIV Study bible to be the most "accurate", as well as providing the most and best information as to who actually wrote some of the books, when they wrote those books, and the approximate date that many of the OT books were written. But for just the literary side of it, you can't beat the KJV....

Regards,

Duncan.

P.S. The NASA launch yesterday was an Atlas 2AS rocket, powered by a Boeing-Rocketdyne MA-5A propulsion system. It was scheduled to launch the third intelligence satellite launch mission in the past month for the U.S. government Wednesday night. The liftoff time from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla., remained secret just prior to the launch. I am sure that what it was carrying was the latest in the "keyhole" series of satellites, probably a KH-11. This is that bad boy that can read your pickup truck's license plate number from orbit. I'd be willing to bet the farm that its orbit takes it over Afghanistan a LOT.

posted 10-11-2001 12:12 PM            

In spite of the fact that the translators of the King James Version were only able to use older Koine Greek manuscripts, the work they did was still very good. In fact, you can use any of the available Koine Greek manuscripts as your source text without making a change in any major doctrine of the Christian faith.

posted 10-11-2001 05:16 PM            

Cat fight could go on for ever over the different versions. There were not just pages for births, deaths, etc added...there were acutual text differences that my (now gone home to the Lord) grandmother pointed out to me.

Ajax seemed to think it quite palatable though. (He is American Eskimo, Pointer and Pit Bull mix, ate a metal air conditioning vent right off the wall, shredded it without so much as cutting a gum when he was six months old!).

Also, it is my understanding that 95% of the Masons are kept in the dark about the top 5%'s doings. Most think it is a Christian organization, do gooders because of charity involvement. I'm no expert, but I've read some pretty horrific stuff about the organizations upper echelon. Do a search there's tons online about them. As always you've got to wade through the BS and discern for yourself.

posted 10-12-2001 06:41 AM            

I knew what you meant by SNL, I usually post it as S&L rip-off! I'd be surprised to see any mention of it at all in future history books for grade school or high school.

posted 10-12-2001 05:15 PM            

I really don't want to believe that, so I guess I'm choosing not to. If that were true, the U.S. really could be "The Great Satan" as Khomeni once said.

I can't help but think there are demonic forces at work, as there always must be in times of war, (which I guess is always happening somewhere in the world) and I really pray that our leaders (even though they were never elected as far as I'm concerned, nor have any American presidents since the Electoral College), are not part of the evil.

I believe that God (forces of light) has the power to overcome any evil, though I hope we can see justice in our lifetime, not just in the hereafter? I believe that no person, or organization or country is omnipotent. God will make the final judgement (IMO).