posted 01-04-2002 07:41 AM            

of your LOCAL School Board or Board of
Education as well) of your LOCAL high school,
write the following on the attached 'post it note'
"HOW DARE YOU ALLOW U.S. ARMED
FORCES RECRUITERS ON SCHOOL
PROPERTY IN ORDER TO ENLIST OUR
CHILDREN IN THEIR TRAITOROUS MILITARY
ORGANIZATIONS!">

<OSTRICH U.S. citizens want to
forceably keep themselves in a
constant state of denial that they've
been MARKED FOR DEATH, then
we anti-Chemtrail activitist have a
proper MORAL DUTY in keeping
harping on them and pointing to
the REALITY of the situation, if
for NO OTHER REASON THAN to
make darn sure these "kids and
adolencents living in their own
fantasy worlds" CAN'T go on and
on ENJOYING all the 'perks' and
'pleasures' properly beloning to
those who are ADULTS>>

<<United States Armed Forces, I'm truly sorry to
say that you have COMMISSIONED OFFICERS
who, likewise, "dress themselves up" in their
uniforms day in and day out, who have the gaul
to pin their OFFICER RANK INSIGNIA on the
collars of their nice, neat, crisp, clean OFFICERS
UNIFORMS after having SWORN AN OATH
to protect and defend the Constitution of the
United States of America from all enemies,
both FOREIGN and DOMESTIC, so that this
Nation would be able to promote the "life,
liberty and pursuit of happiness" for the general
citizenry - and these hundreds and perhaps
thousands of COMMISSIONED OFFICERS
urinate on their OATH, urinate on their fellow
U.S. citizens, urinate on the graves of thousands
upon thousands of U.S. Military fighting men and
women of the past 2 centuries, and urinate
on their own MILITARY HONOR - by their active
and often 'silently passive' cooperating with this
Chemtrail Conspiracy against the citizens of
the United States of America and the Constitution
of the United States of America. >>>
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This arrogant statement was made by chem11 on Aug 29, 01

“I am not John the Baptist. Sedona is not Joan of Arc. Djembemon is not Carl Jung. And Deborah is not Mother Teresa. We are everyday people that would have never, in their wildest dreams, imagined the sacrifices they would be willing to make on behalf of this effort.”
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Sedona
<“But all along there has been an underlying acrimony too, which erupts here and there in bursts of negative emotions directed at others. We have all experienced this too. Again- how could we help it? This is the rough ride of a lifetime, and occasional screams of indignation are unavoidable. Still. To dislike, be suspicious of, and be rude to others simply because they have arrived at different conclusions than we have, is ill-mannered and boorish, to say the least. Debate is an ancient and noble art form, and has always been the sport of thinkers. However, honest argument by definition has to maintain certain standards. Ideas are the rightful fair game for opposing ideas. But deliberate rudeness on personal levels is traditionally forbidden because this is the basic requirement for maintaining debate at all. Spiteful personal attacks, whether disguised or blatant, debase and destroy all possibility of fruitful communication and rational exchange of ideas. Such petty indulgence in the destruction of lines of communcation hurts no one but ourselves.”>

What do you think of the above posts?

posted 01-04-2002 10:23 AM            

Maybe if I wish long and hard enough, the skies I remember from my youth will one day return.

I suppose this really isn't an 'opinion'.

posted 01-04-2002 11:18 AM            

Thank you for replying though

Chip

posted 01-04-2002 11:39 AM            

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This arrogant statement was made by chem11 on Aug 29, 01

“I am not John the Baptist. Sedona is not Joan of Arc. Djembemon is not Carl Jung. And Deborah is not Mother Teresa. We are everyday people that would have never, in their wildest dreams, imagined the sacrifices they would be willing to make on behalf of this effort.”

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What exactly do you find 'arrogant' about this statement, Nilkin?

posted 01-04-2002 12:46 PM            

The entire chemtrail issue can be traced back to the Georgia standstones, and a probably true report of atmospheric tests in Canada. And the ball has started rolling down the hill ever since.

What sacrafices have been made? People attributing illness to chemtrails? Allegedly having thier computers hacked by the NWO?
What sacrafices?? They do not know what it is to give. Mother Teresa and Joan of Arc sacraficed with out reguard for themselves or noteriety or fame! And that is what I suspect the individuals named are seeking, noteriety and/or fame of some sort. They are not doing this for the pious reasons they will confess to, especially sedona and you I suspect!
What about you do you advocate what TOcarm said?

Have a nice day!
Chip

posted 01-04-2002 12:54 PM            

As to the diffrence between rants and discussions, it is a very fine line. I do not think I ranted, if it was taken as such, believe me it wasnt intended as such!

The point is it is a strong indication of her as a contradiction! She is not the level headed, listen to the disbeliever she poses as in that post.

posted 01-04-2002 01:08 PM            

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The entire chemtrail issue can be traced back to the Georgia standstones, and a probably true report of atmospheric tests in Canada.

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Wow, I've never heard that one!!!

Actually, the Chemtrail issue can be traced back to the reports of various individuals who began noticing something different in their skies in recent years past. Here's an example of one of those reports by Rick Donaldson, who served in the Air Force for 26 years. He saw KC-135's laying down a grid...

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Perhaps I can shed some light on this chem-trail/con-trail thing.
I've been in the Air Force for 26 years, and while my field is combat communications, I am familiar with a lot of the flying-type missions.
I'm not familiar with anything that might be considered weather modification.

On the OTHER hand. Two years ago, I had just bought my wife a hot tub for Mother's Day. We decided that it was nice to sit out in the evening and watch the skies. Something I do anyway, is watch the skies, always have, always will. I've very familiar with the air traffic control patterns in our area of the Front Range. I know where planes will be found, I know where they aren't supposed to be.

Late one evening about 5 or 6 weeks after we had the hot tub, and had been sitting out every evening, there was a clear sky, the sun was just going behind the mountains and I noticed several air craft flying in formation. I grabbed some binoculars that I keep sitting near the tub and noted they looked like tankers.

At about the same time I got a good bead on one, it started to show a trail, where it had not been showing one moments before.

When I took my eyes from the binoculars, I saw a string of about 8 or 9 planes. Eight trails for certain could be seen, evenly spaces several thousand feet apart, at around 40 or 50 thousand feet (that's an estimate only, based on the plane - they were KC-135s, I got a very good look at them through my spotter scope a few minutes later).

I watched the planes travel east to west, then the trails ceased.

The planes vanished behind Pikes Peak and the mountain range. About 20 minutes later, the reappeared to the south. By then I had my camera, and my spotter scope (where I confirmed I was seeing a KC-135 tanker). I took a couple of shots, because I'd never seen anything like it before. I figured it was some kind of practice for an air show.

They planes traveled from south to north (almost precisely on true north) - and then they continued the pattern. When they finished, I was seeing a checkerboard pattern. At the same time, I started noticing no more air planes in the area.

The next day was Saturday, so I called over to Peterson and asked about an air show, they weren't aware of anything.

I asked about the "show" I'd observed the night before. They knew "nothing about that". I asked about the patterns they left, and the folks at Operations were not aware of any flights that would have involved tankers flying in formation, nor were they aware of anything else going on the night before.

The Colorado Springs tower DID confirm they had diverted traffic for a couple of hours around the Pikes Peak region for some unknown military maneauvers. But, no one could confirm the exercise.

We don't fly KC-135's out of Peterson, we fly C-130s. None of my pilot friends were aware of anything either.

I wrote it off until I heard an Art Bell show one night. Then it started to click.

So - before Tycho, or anyone else offhandedly dismisses this subject as an urban legend (and you're fine to believe what you will, Sir) I would suggest you all take another look at it.

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Now, I'm just as skeptical about a lot of this stuff as anyone else, but, I live here in the US Tycho, I work for the government, I've been with the government for 26 years. Don't get me wrong, but, you're writing this off based on a bunch of debunkers that haven't the experience with the US government that I have.

Finally, I'm not saying that they really ARE doing ANYTHING with chemicals, bt it was highly unusual for what I personally saw, and I have not seen it since. (And there were dozens of others who saw it in the area that evening besides me, including pilots who thought something odd was going on).

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posted 01-04-2002 01:24 PM            

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...Yes I am very, extrememly aware of contrails and how they function. I also am an 'amateur meteorologist', storm chaser, and one of my college studies was Earth Sciences. I know how the atmosphere works, and I know precisely what it takes to form a contrail. That's all well and good. I see them at different times of the day or evening, depending on the temperature at the altitude at which the aircraft fly.

1) I SAW a formation of at least eight aircraft, which I did identify as KC-135s (those are Boeing 707s, with a "stinger", the refueling device under the tail of the plane. You can't possibly confuse them with other planes when you know what you're looking at).

2) The planes were flying side by side at a distance of several thousand feet apart, traveling from east to west when I spotted them.

3) The planes BEGAN to show trails at exactly the same time, across a vast region of the sky. Trust me the weather patterns here are ANYTHING but precise, and thus the chances of EACH AIRCRAFT (scattered over several miles apart) starting to show a contrail at precisely the same time are astronomical in the Pikes Peak region due to the various surges and updrafts from the mountain range). It would not have happened. Period.

4) The planes ceased depositing a cloud trail behind them at EXACTLY the same time. Military precision in flying is, if nothing else both a pleasure to watch, and a pleasure to know our military is capable of doing, in the defense of my country. It was NOT unusual for me to have seen something like that - at air shows throughout the country. Thus, I ASSUMED at the TIME it was some sort of practice for an air show. I was mistaken. There were no air shows anywhere within several states of me on that weekend. (It was a Friday night, generally before air shows, the participants practice the day and evening before the actual shows. That's a fact, check with any air show in your area, or in the US).

5) the planes changed course, after they flew behind the mountain range, and returned roughly twenty minutes later. They came from the south and flew northward, EXACTLY on true north (I have it marked in my yard, because of antenna orientation and communications dishes I have there, so I KNOW which way north is). At precisely the point where the first "contrail" started, the planes again started to show trails. They ended exactly when they had flown to the last one (which was about 2 minutes I think).

From my own observations - I saw a formation of military aircraft, turning on and off some sort of device that allowed for a visible cloud formation. There were NO OTHER CONTRAILS that afternoon, before, OR after. These were NOT contrails. I didn't even consider any other possibilities than it was an air show until I confirmed there weren't any, anywhere near by. When I called the tower, they told me that normal air traffic had been diverted for a full two hours (at least). They only said it had to do with military maneauvers.

I didn't hear ANYTHING about "chemtrails" until about a year later.

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posted 01-04-2002 01:51 PM            

Your arguments are so transparently puerile that it is hard to imagine an adult behind the keyboard.

These posts you are requesting feedback on were made at the Carnicom board. Not here. If you have something to say on the subject, why not post your comments on the board where they originated from? Assuming that you have not already been deleted because of your juvenile antics...

posted 01-04-2002 03:07 PM            

"Is it a possibility your looking at clouds?"

Real clouds are what I'm hoping will return one day. I have to give them credit though, they almost look real.

Now if they could do something about the 'smell' of the material. You know that hard to describe, but distinctly 'chemtrail' smell.

posted 01-05-2002 12:23 PM            

That is one of the best descriptions of Chemtrail spraying I've seen, and it was made by an Air Force guy who knows what he is talking about. Of course, there are those that would prefer to ascribe Chemtrails to impressionable minds, the "rantings" of foolish people or somehow to some obscure monument in Georgia. Perhaps that is more comfortable for them.

Is it more comfortable for you nilkin?

posted 01-06-2002 08:26 AM            

"The Colorado Springs tower DID confirm they had diverted traffic for a couple of hours around the Pikes Peak region for some unknown military maneauvers. But, no one could confirm the exercise."

They would not confirm of deny if anything was going on anyway. It is a policy not to disclose flight information, it is called need to know. And a combat communication I believe is a combat controller or Forward Air controller. What special priveledge are they granted? Not much. I am an aircraft mechanic, and have been in service for 15 years, what is the diffrence of time anyway?

He is probably mistaken
-KC-135 cannot fly at 40,000 ft! let alone 50k!
-He may know the flight pattern, but has he ever seen aircraft other than these flying else where.
-Does he understand the patterns -135's fly, it doesnt sound like it.
-As to starting trails at the same time, is it possible the aircraft flew into the same air current?

Why is strange flying patterns such a problem, it goes on all the time, for normal exercises and training.

Have a great day!
Chip

posted 01-06-2002 11:04 AM            

Care to share which base you work at, or is that confidential?

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posted 01-06-2002 12:32 PM            

How very kind of you! Hugs and kisses to you too.

Care to share which base you work at, or is that confidential?

Willow Grove JRS in PA
Chip

posted 01-06-2002 12:49 PM            

Thanks, Chip. I was wondering about that, too.

posted 01-07-2002 10:32 AM            

The connection is the number 500 million. Alot of the places that state a # reguarding population control as being a purpose of chemtrails, is 500 million. It is just too much of a coincidence.

Chip

posted 01-07-2002 12:10 PM            

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posted 01-07-2002 12:34 PM            

The Georgia standing stone has that inscribed on it, about keeping the population at 500 million.

And pardon me Lulu, that sigature I used to use sounds like it really chaffed your ass.
Another big hug!!!

Chip