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Molliani
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posted 01-09-2002 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Molliani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This sounds like scary science fiction;
unfortunately it's not fiction.


It's not only greenhouse gas emissions:

Washington's new world order weapons

have the ability to trigger climate change

 
By Michel Chossudovsky
Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa and TFF associate,
author of The Globalization of Poverty, second edition, Common Courage Press

The important debate on global warming under UN auspices provides but a partial picture of climate change; in addition to the devastating impacts of greenhouse gas emissions on the ozone layer, the World's climate can now be modified as part of a new generation of sophisticated "non-lethal weapons." Both the Americans and the Russians have developed capabilities to manipulate the World'sclimate.

In the US, the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the ("Star Wars") Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI). Recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is fully operational and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes.

HAARP is a mass destructive weapons - not part of any negotiations

From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction. Potentially, it constitutes an instrument of conquest capable of selectively destabilising agricultural and ecological systems of entire regions.

While there is no evidence that this deadly technology has been used, surely the United Nations should be addressing the issue of "environmental warfare" alongside the debate on the climatic impacts of greenhouse gases.

Despite a vast body of scientific knowledge, the issue of deliberate climatic manipulations for military use has neverbeen explicitly part of the UN agenda on climate change. Neither the official delegations nor the environmental action groups participating in the Hague Conference on Climate Change (CO6) (November 2000) have raised the broad issue of "weather warfare" or "environmental modification techniques (ENMOD)" as relevant to an understanding of climate change.

The clash between official negotiators, environmentalists and American business lobbies has centered on Washington's outright refusal to abide by commitments on carbon dioxide reduction targets under the 1997 Kyoto protocol.(1) The impacts of military technologies on the World's climate are not an object of discussion or concern. Narrowly confined to greenhouse gases, the ongoing debate on climate change serves Washington's strategic and defense objectives.

"Weather warfare"

World renowned scientist Dr. Rosalie Bertell confirms that "US military scientists · are working on weather systems as a potential weapon. The methods include the enhancing of storms and the diverting of vapor rivers in the Earth's atmosphere to produce targeted droughts or floods."(2)

Already in the 1970s, former National Security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski had foreseen in his book "Between Two Ages" that:

"Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised... [T]echniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm. "

Marc Filterman, a former French military officer, outlines several types of "unconventional weapons" using radio frequencies. He refers to "weather war," indicating that the U.S. and the Soviet Union had already "mastered the know-how needed to unleash sudden climate changes (hurricanes, drought) in the early 1980s." (3) These technologies make it "possible to trigger atmospheric disturbances by using Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) radar [waves]." (4)

A simulation study of future defense "scenarios" commissioned for the US Air Force calls for: "US aerospace forces to 'own the weather' by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications." From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control, weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary. In the United States, weather-modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications. Our government will pursue such a policy, depending on its interests, at various levels. (5)

The high-frequency active aural research program - HAARP

The High-Frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) based in Gokoma Alaska --jointly managed by the US Air Force and the US Navy-- is part of a new generation of sophisticated weaponry under the US Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). Operated by the Air Force Research Laboratory's Space Vehicles Directorate, HAARP constitutes a system of powerful antennas capable of creating "controlled local modifications of the ionosphere".

Scientist Dr. Nicholas Begich --actively involved in the public campaign against HAARP-- describes HAARP as:"A super-powerful radiowave-beaming technology that lifts areas of the ionosphere [upper layer of the atmosphere] by focusing a beam and heating those areas. Electromagnetic waves then bounce back onto earth and penetrate everything -- living and dead." (6)

Dr. Rosalie Bertell depicts HAARP as "a gigantic heater that can cause major disruption in the ionosphere, creating not just holes, but long incisions in the protective layer that keeps deadly radiation from bombarding the planet." (7)

Misleading public opinion

HAARP has been presented to public opinion as a program of scientific and academic research. US military documents seem to suggest, however, that HAARP's main objective is to "exploit the ionosphere for Department of Defense purposes." (8) Without explicitly referring to the HAARP program, a US Air Force study points to the use of "induced ionospheric modifications" as a means of altering weather patterns as well as disrupting enemy communications and radar.(9)

According to Dr. Rosalie Bertell, HAARP is part of a integrated weapons' system, which has potentially devastating environmental consequences: "It is related to fifty years of intensive and increasingly destructive programs to understand and control the upper atmosphere. It would be rash not to associate HAARP with the space laboratory construction which is separately being planned by the United States. HAARP is an integral part of a long history of space research and development of a deliberate military nature.

The military implications of combining these projects is alarming. The ability of the HAARP / Spacelab/ rocket combination to deliver very large amount of energy, comparable to a nuclear bomb, anywhere on earth via laser and particle beams, are frightening. The project is likely to be "sold" to the public as a space shield against incoming weapons, or, for the more gullible, a device for repairing the ozone layer. (10)

In addition to weather manipulation, HAARP has a number of related uses: "HAARP could contribute to climate change by intensively bombarding the atmosphere with high-frequency rays. Returning low-frequency waves at high intensity could also affect people's brains, and effects on tectonic movements cannot be ruled out. (11).

More generally, HAARP has the ability of modifying the World's electro-magnetic field. It is part of an arsenal of "electronic weapons" which US military researchers consider a "gentler and kinder warfare". (12)

Weapons of the new world order


HAARP is part of the weapons arsenal of the New World Order under the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). From military command points in the US, entire national economies could potentially be destabilized through climatic manipulations. More importantly, the latter can be implemented without the knowledge of the enemy, at minimal cost and without engaging military personnel and equipment as in a conventional war. The use of HAARP -- if it were to be applied-- could have potentially devastating impacts on the World's climate.

Responding to US economic and strategic interests, it could be used to selectively modify climate in different parts of the World resulting in the destabilization of agricultural and ecological systems. It is also worth noting that the US Department of Defense has allocated substantial resources to the development of intelligence and monitoring systems on weather changes. NASA and the Department of Defense's National Imagery and Mapping Agency (NIMA) are working on "imagery for studies of flooding, erosion, land-slide hazards, earthquakes, ecological zones, weather forecasts, and climate change" with data relayed from satellites. (13) POLICY INERTIA OF THE UNITED NATIONS According to the Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) signed at the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro:

"States have, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations and the principles of international law, the responsibility to ensure that activities within their jurisdiction or control do not cause damage to the environment of other States or of areas beyond the limits of national jurisdiction." (14). It is also worth recalling that an international Convention ratified by the UN General Assembly in 1997 bans "military or other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects." (15) Both the US and the Soviet Union were signatories to the Convention. The Convention defines "environmental modification techniques" as referring to any technique for changing--through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes--the dynamics, composition or structure of the earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere or of outer space." (16) Why then did the UN --disregarding the 1977 ENMOD Convention as well as its own charter-- decide to exclude from its agenda climatic changes resulting from military programs?

European Parliament acknowledges impact of HAARP

In February 1998, responding to a report of Mrs. Maj Britt Theorin --Swedish MEP and longtime peace advocate--, the European Parliament's Committee on Foreign Affairs, Security and Defense Policy held public hearings in Brussels on the HAARP program.(17) The Committee's "Motion for Resolution" submitted to the European Parliament: "Considers HAARP by virtue of its far-reaching impact on the environment to be a global concern and calls for its legal, ecological and ethical implications to be examined by an international independent body; [the Committee] regrets the repeated refusal of the United States Administration to give evidence to the public hearing into the environmental and public risks [of] the HAARP program." (18.)

The Committee's request to draw up a "Green Paper" on "the environmental impacts of military activities", however, was casually dismissed on the grounds that the European Commission lacks the required jurisdiction to delve into "the links between environment and defense". (19) Brussels was anxious to avoid a showdown with Washington.

Fully operational

While there is no concrete evidence of HAARP having been used, scientific findings suggest that it is at present fully operational. What this means is that HAARP could potentially be applied by the US military to selectively modify the climate of an "unfriendly nation" or "rogue state" with a view to destabilizing its national economy. Agricultural systems in both developed and developing countries are already in crisis as a result of New World Order policies including market deregulation, commodity dumping, etc. Amply documented, IMF and World Bank "economic medicine" imposed on the Third World and the countries of the former Soviet block has largely contributed to the destabilization of domestic agriculture. In turn, the provisions of the World Trade Organization (WTO) have supported the interests of a handful of Western agri-biotech conglomerates in their quest to impose genetically modified (GMO) seeds on farmers throughout the World.

It is important to understand the linkage between the economic, strategic and military processes of the New WorldOrder. In the above context, climatic manipulations under the HAARP program (whether accidental or deliberate) would inevitably exacerbate these changes by weakening national economies, destroying infrastructure and potentially triggering the bankruptcy of farmers over vast areas. Surely national governments and the United Nations should address the possible consequences of HAARP and other "non-lethal weapons" on climate change.

NOTES

1. The latter calls for nations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by an average of 5.2 percent to become effective between 2008 and 2012. See Background of Kyoto Protocol at http://www.globalwarming.net/gw11.html.

2. The Times, London, 23 November 2000.

3. Intelligence Newsletter, December 16, 1999.

4. Ibid.

5 Air University of the US Air Force, AF 2025 Final Report, http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/ (emphasis added).

6 Nicholas Begich and Jeane Manning, The Military's Pandora's Box, Earthpulse Press, http://www.xyz.net/~nohaarp/earthlight.html. See also the HAARP home page at http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/).

7. See Briarpatch, January, 2000. (emphasis added).

8 Quoted in Begich and Manning, op cit.

9. Air University, op cit.

10. Rosalie Bertell, Background of the HAARP Program, 5 November, 1996, http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/envronmt/weapons.htm

11. Begich and Manning, op cit.

12. Don Herskovitz, Killing Them Softly, Journal of Electronic Defense, August 1993. (emphasis added). According to Herskovitz, "electronic warfare" is defined by the US Department of Defense as "military action involving the use of electromagnetic energy·" The Journal of Electronic Defense at http://www.jedefense.com/ has published a range of articles on the application of electronic and electromagnetic military technologies.

13. Military Space, 6 December, 1999.

14. UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, New York, 1992. See complete text at http://www.unfccc.de/resource/conv/conv_002.html, (emphasis added).

15. See Associated Press, 18 May 1977.

16. Environmental Modification Ban Faithfully Observed, States Parties Declare, UN Chronicle, July, 1984, Vol. 21, p. 27.

17. European Report, 7 February 1998.

18. European Parliament, Committee on Foreign Affairs, Security and Defense Policy, Brussels, doc. no. A4-0005/99, 14 January 1999.

19. EU Lacks Jurisdiction to Trace Links Between Environment and Defense, European Report, 3 February 1999.

© Copyright by Michel Chossudovsky, Ottawa, November, 2000. All rights reserved.

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Michel Chossudovsky
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Dan Rockwell
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posted 02-03-2002 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Rockwell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just the kind of topic I was looking for. Something that associated Chemtrails with HAARP.

Well I think I'll just bounce this off the fringe as sort of a hypothesis and nothing more.

I have done some studying as to why the government would want to have what could be considered to be a gigantic bug zapper capable of filling the atmosphere with electromagnetic energy. Weather control Device or Weapon? Maybe both and then again maybe neither.

At one time I was told that the Earth's magnetic field at one time was 4 Gauss. However I was told that the magnetic field, over the last 2000 or more years was decreasing in in strength and is now either .4 or .04 Gauss. This might or might not be true. That's why I'm bouncing it around here.

If this field should drop any lower, like to Zero, then it would cause a great deal of problems or so I was told. Such a drop in the field could cause a pole shift, ect. I was also told that the drop of the energy field over the years, may be, (and I do mean may be) the root cause of certain forms of mental illness as well as certain physical ailments. The use of magnets is thought to be able to help heal certain medical problems.

Now if the government had some advanced knowledge of problems that would occur if the earth suddenly lost its magnetic field, then wouldn't they be trying to do something to reinforce the field or make a new one, perhaps based loosely on the research of Tesla?

To do this, it isn't easy. They would need a large electromagnetic transmitter. Oh yes -- That's right --- They've got one. HAARP.

The next problem would to try to figure out an adequate material to suspend in the upper atmosphere to get the electromagnetic energy generated by HAARP to form sort of a magnetic bubble (for lack of a better word) around the earth. Currently they seem to be using aluminum particulates and i doesn't seem to be working too good.

With the work that they have supposedly done with the Philadelphia Experiment as well as the Motauk Project, and if the stories about another planet that is supposedly moving toward the Earth that could cause a lot of significant problems, then could it not be possible that someone has the hairbrained idea of recreating the Philadelphia experiment on a global scale?

That may be just a little farfetched, but as a way to increase the earth's magnetic field strength, it could be possible.

Sorry about rambling on like this, but once I start thinking about something, I need to vent a little bit so I can at least try to get some sleep at night.

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Well, the more I think about it the less I can sleep. Here is what I think... if it were a matter of trying to stop the magnetic poles from shifting and saving our lives that would be of importance to the whole world and there would no doubt be scientists working openly.Maurice Cotterell has written a book about the prophesies of the Mayan Lord Pacal and Tutankhaman and the Freemasons and discusses the sun cycle and its effect on earth.I have also seen lately about the ice in Greenland showing how dramatically and suddenly the weather changed and made Greenland uninhabitable when people had been living there and farming before.Sounds like it goes along with the pole shifting. Very interesting. The future can be found in the past.Also Bernard Eastlunds(is that the right name I am tired) various patents for missile defense and electromagnetic waves if you haven't read them yet.You can find out all about what you need to do to the ionosphere to make it conduct better. http://www.uspto.gov/patft/ you can look them up there. Hopefully I will have a brilliant moment when I can put all this information together and it will all make perfect sense, for now I am stuck with chemtrails and radar rings and silver orbs and....maybe I can go to sleep and the answer will come in my dreams.

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posted 02-04-2002 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Rockwell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The scientific community as a whole, does not always share their information freely, especially when it concerns matters of National Security, potential disasters and the sort. People are unhinged enough already with possible terrorist attacks to also be thinking about drastic earth changes especially pole shifts. The little war of the worlds test conducted years ago, proved in a sense that the United States couldn't handle the truth about anything majorly life threatening; a concept that they still think holds true today.

There are also many factions in the government that are trying to gain control of things. One's trying to help us, one's trying to kill us, one's trying to enslave us and the others don't seem to get involved with anything. The sudden interest in Mars though, has me wondering if some of the rats are thinking about trying to jump ship.

Supposedly there's another planet in our solar system now that is coming ever closer to the Earth. There is enough evidence by observing the current orbits of the planets to indicate that something big once did exist a very long time ago. And if there is another planet that may pass between Mars and us, do we really want to be caught in between two giants? So hypothetically, as I mentioned before, forming a magnetic bubble around the earth could be a possibility. In other words, a Philadelphia Experiment on a global scale.

Perhaps, now that I think about it, if the government has had some contact with some intelligent form of life from somewhere else in the Universe, could it not be plausable that either our government, or the intelligent life forms might want to move the earth somewhere else. -- Perhaps to another solar system hyperdimensionally?

I just hope that if something like this remote possibility should occur, that we do not become dinner for somebody else.

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One thing that I should add after going over some of my other posts, and something mentioned by a few others, is the appearance and current activity of the sun.

Like the others, I have noticed that the sun isn't acting normally. Storms are much larger than they have been in the past, the color is brighter. At one time Scientists said that our sun was a stable star and would always be that way. However, in recent years, quite a few of them have come to the startling conclusion that our sun is a variable star. A star that could just decide one day to blow its top (burp) and rub us out.

The sun is now shooting out X-class flares which, if they should ever slam into us, would have disasterous effects. We have been very lucky indeed, but how long will our luck last?

Now with the tidbits of information that we have been able to get about the HAARP project and alluminum particulates that have been found in a number of chemtrails, it is hypothetically plausable that this may be an attempt to establish a solar shield.

From the unusual weather patterns that I have noticed in recent years, they may also have something to control the weather too. Many times I have noticed that whenever a significant solar event is reported, X-class flare, etc. within a matter of hours, the sky becomes filled with clouds.

Though it might just be a coincidence, it is still kind of strange.

With all the things that I havve so far mentioned on this thread, HAARP, CHEMTRAILS, THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT, MONTAUK PROJECT as well as the search for stars with planets, etc. a pattern does seem to be forming. Also, if you take into consideration, the building of massive underground installations and tunnel networks, they seem to be getting ready for something major to happen.


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Dan Rockwell
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The above material is just a theory of course. As I do more research, I will post more theories in this area. I have found an interesting site called the HAARP Home Page for you to pick apart until then.

http://server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/

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Check out this site, and watch for a "stratwarm" alert, and when you see one, thats when I believe HAARP is heating specific areas of the atomosphere, and theses warnings are provided to ensure against pilots straying into the area of heating---its a possibility

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HAARP array may use Moon as a reflector to reach distant targets on Earth to create Nuclear-Sized Explosions Without Radiation!
By Guy Cramer

As political and military experts on News talk shows discuss with all seriousness, the potential for a tactical nuclear response from the U.S. for the mounting bio-terror attacks, it should be pointed out that geophysics warfare weapons such as HAARP are making nuclear retaliation obsolete.

This military array in Alaska and others like it around the world have the potential to deliver an equivalent nuclear detonation to a long-range target without warning, without the missile and without the radiation.

One of 12 U.S. HAARP patents is titled: U.S. Patent 4873928: Nuclear-Sized Explosions Without Radiation

HAARP was constructed under the SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative) other wise known as "Star Wars”.

The High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is a congressionally initiated program jointly managed by the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy. Using 3 gigawatts of power (3 billion watts) from a 23-acre site in Gakona, Alaska, it is considered the most powerful array on Earth.

Another ability of an array such as HAARP could be used to heat radiate people within a large yet distant target, even a buried underground bunker or cave network. This would minimize public and international opposition to such a response as the effects, although not as visual as tactical nuclear detonations, provides a similar broad termination of targets. The world may not even realize anything had happened and thus large-scale enemy losses in one location without physical munitions detonations may be played down or passed off as conventional combat or Special Forces action.


The trick to using such a weapon with underground targets is to find the target in the first place. The same array that may be used to deliver the effect can also be used to penetrate deep into the ground to find the target. HAARP can in effect be used for Earth-penetrating tomography, which can reveal the existence of underground installations.

The HAARP complex consists of 180 towers, 72 feet in height, forming a "high-power, high frequency phased array radio transmitter". Military applications of HAARP include long-range ground penetration radar, over the horizon radar, submarine communication…

The basics for Ground penetration or target neutralization is to use the antenna array to target and heat the ionosphere in the upper atmosphere to create a lens to bounce or reflect a signal off to a target of great distance. Although some distances may be to far to reach a target if it is on the other side of the globe.

Moon Bounce

In late 1998 and early 1999 the ELFRAD GROUP monitored a daily frequency from .9 to .95 hertz (pulses per second), the wavelength of this frequency was approximately 319,877km or 198,711 miles. The moon's distance is fairly close to the wavelength. The signal appears to be a controlled signal transmitted from an unknown source at approximately the same time daily except weekends. The signal is strong enough to generate it's third harmonic which is 2.81235 hz. The signal has a very quick rise time and a slower decay at the end, which is usually indicative of an artificial source. A low pass filtered showed the signal tracks very well with the magnetometers placed in various locations around the planet especially those in the northern area.

Lets pick apart the data above. A Ultra Low Frequency signal in late 1998 through early 1999 from an unknown source which occurs only on week days, powerful enough to create a third harmonic wave, with a quick rise slow decay which tracks better with magnetometers in the North and a wavelength approximately matching the distance to the moon. The answer seems apparent HAARP or a similar array in the North is bouncing signals off the Moon back to the Earth.

Why would you want to bounce signals off the Moon?

To reach targets around the world you could design a floating mobile HAARP that would have to equal the surface area of five large aircraft carriers or 8 super tankers tied together costing billions of dollars, or you could use a stationary permanent array such as HAARP and use the moon as a reflector to effectively bounce your signals anywhere on Earth given mutual Moon visibility between the source and the target!

Ham radio enthusiasts call this reflection technique EME (Earth-Moon-Earth) or Moonbounce, and have been utilizing the moon with High Frequencies since the 1950’s to communicate around the world. HAARP can transmit both Low and High Frequencies.

Israeli HAARP?

It is rumoured that Israel has access to a similar array, which would increase mutual moon visibility in the Middle East region for Moonbounce transmission, but proximity to any targets in this area might be close enough to an Israeli array that Ionosphere reflection might be possible around the clock.

Tactical Nuclear retaliation by the U.S. during the War on Terrorism is in effect obsolete, given that the Americans could Tactically strike with a geophysics array producing similar damage associated with nuclear detonation, without the long term detrimental effects and downwind radioactive fallout. Other alternative uses of the array such as radiating transmissions may provide similar biological target termination without any blast effects. Moonbounce techniques also mean that a stationary array can in effect target anywhere on the Earth.

Star Wars now seems an appropriate term for this particular Strategic Defense Initiative using HAARP to utilize the Moon as a potential Death Star! http://www.yfiles.com/HAARP-Moon.htm

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Dan Rockwell on 04-17-2002]

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Thought I'd throw my two cents in as regards the sun, the earth and it's future, from a purely unscientific point of view. I think "IF" wars were to stop, sources of energy were changed over to non-polluting, hatred and predjudices changed to love your brothers, then the earth and sun would be normal and serve humanity indefinitely. We all know that the shadow powers that be would never let that happen. We are now living in a time period I think of as the tribulation before the "great tribulation". Notice this quote: for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world's beginning until now, no nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short". Mt 24: 21,22. Though the shadow government thinks they are accountable to no one, they will be enlightened soon.

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