posted 08-17-2002 08:04 AM            

I WILL NOT FORGET................
I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," and asked myself,
"Why didn't the Jews fight back?" Now I know why.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor and asked myself, "Why
weren't we prepared?" Now I know why.

Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil
people.

On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed
themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed
terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that
motivated their captors.

On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too
many Americans naively reject the reality that some
nations are dedicated to the dominance of others. Many political
pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the
carnage.

They say we must focus on the bravery of the rescuers and ignore the
cowardice of the killers. They implore us to understand the
motivation of the perpetrators. Major
television stations have announced they will assist the healing process
by not replaying devastating footage of the planes crashing
into the Twin Towers.

I will not be manipulated.

I will not pretend to understand.

I will not forget.

I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to
kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.

I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's
address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how
you feel about him, he is still
our president."

I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President
Bush's motives for not returning immediately to
Washington, DC and commented, "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical
about Washington."

And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters
weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely
--
nor should they be expected
-- to show deference."

I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an
attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the
United States of America.

I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists
and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated
telecommunications equipment
and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to
trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem
communications.

I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like
those perfected by the previous administration.

I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the
silly "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the
airport.

I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who
exploit the right of statement to chant anti-American obscenities.

I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by
American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning
soldiers, airmen, sailors
and Marines.

I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose
reassurance over reality.

I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told
Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the
slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not 7,000 but
70,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and
rejoiced in it?

There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds,
no point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice:
defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"

I will force myself to:
-hear the weeping
-feel the helplessness
-imagine the terror
-sense the panic
-smell the burning flesh
-experience the loss
-remember the hatred.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself,
"Where did they find the courage?" Now I know.

We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.

posted 08-17-2002 09:00 AM            

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On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed
themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed
terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that
motivated their captors

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Be that as it may, there weren't any terrorist on any of those planes, unless the US command was on them. If you really want to comprehend the 'depth' of it you should accept the truth that this country, our country, is the biggest and most elaborate active terrorist regime. What we saw on 9 11 01 was simply a plight of social engineering by the Bush sect, to give George Walker unlimited say and power throughout the process of the 'war on terrorism', which will last as long as 'he' wants it to.

Why didn't the people on the planes fight back? Arrogance. Ignorance. Lack of Independence. Stupidity. Apathy. North Americans are the most egotistical and grandiose humans on the planet. Until YOU can learn to accept that you will be nothing more then 'one of them', the sheeple.

It's not the hatred of the perpetrators that is at question, for they hate the same thing that 'anyone' who is awake hates. The question is the state of being of the sheeple. Had they taken responsibility for themselves many deaths could have been prevented. I think it's just plain ludicrous to attempt to blame their failure on the hatred of their oppressors.

The attack of OBL and Al Queada did not target the civilian population or mass destruction. The attack was initiated on the financial headquarters of the world, which is ingenius, and the military headquarters of the Super Duper United States of America. If they really hated the American people they could have easily used dirty bombs or biological warfare.

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Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil
people

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I disagree. People are too busy worrying about their superficial social lives. They waste time investing their faith and yielding their lives to the invisible deity of the most hypocritical religion ever. I can fathom everything OUR government is doing and I can see peoples ignorance and denial with frightening clarity. It's not hard for me to comprehend, however that doesn't make me evil. It makes me an independent thinker and it makes me open minded.

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On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too
many Americans naively reject the reality that some
nations are dedicated to the dominance of others. Many political
pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the
carnage

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True in a very ironic sense. The main nation that is dedicated to the 'dominance of others' is the United States of America. Wake up. It wasn't the middle eastern state of Afghanastain that was tryin to impose restrictions on our way of life, it was vice versa. And now you want to sit here and claim that they are trying to dominate us? You're mistaken. They were/are trying to escape us. They are trying to survive US. We are the Evil. Bush is the Evil. Blair is the Evil.

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I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists
and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated
telecommunications equipment
and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to
trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem
communications

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The gist of this statement is true, the US did help and fund many of the same factions we have since blown to bits. But that was during the end of the cold war and they all served their purpose as our pawns. And now you call them 'islamic terrorists'. Again you are mistaken. They are just people who are trying to go about their own beliefs, but continously find 'christian terrorists' or 'zionist terrorists' imposing unwarranted restrictions and regulations on them. I for one will not blame anyone for growing anger and resent towards those who would attempt to suppress and control them.

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I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose
reassurance over reality.

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let's just work on reality for now.

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I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by
American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning
soldiers, airmen, sailors
and Marines

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I agree with that. It's truly an outrage that they would take it out on the soldiers who were forced to go fight. I really feel bad for anyone who had to endure that war. If the protestors were to spit and harrass anyone it should have been the administration and the executive branch i.e. politicians and bureaucrats. I don't think it gave the North Viets a 'win' so much as it gave the integrity of the American people a 'lose'.

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I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair

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In all honesty all I can say is 'DON'T'. Don't buy into a damn word that that fool says. Wake up.

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There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds,
no point of understanding with such terror

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I don't know if that statement fits the so called 'terrorists', but it certainly describes the United States DoD and friends.

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defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"

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Those are words that should be spoken by the victim. Again, Iraq and Afghainastan are not coming onto our property and imposing rules and regulations. We are going to theres. As ironic is it may be I think that is EXACTLY what OBL and Al Quaeda were thinking when they attacked the WTC and Septagon. Defeat or be defeated.

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Living without liberty is not living

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Then none of us have EVER lived.

LWR, sorry if I come across as abrasive but honesty is my policy no matter how brutal. I really am not trying to piss you off. I just don't feel you have a good overview of things how they really are, and accordingly I think you've made a numbper of misconceptions. Just my opinion though. Please keep an open mind and consider what i've said.

posted 08-17-2002 09:43 AM            

The perpetrators that were on those planes are perceived by the general populous to be 'terrorist'. However, I would say that they believed themselves to be 'freedom fighters'.

Oh and thanks but I don't need a passport. I was born in this country and I will stand my ground here. No matter how many ignorant people like yourselfs insinuate that I leave or that I am somehow a threat to their well being. I don't suffer from terminal stupidity. That is only the fate of close minded and arrogant souls like yourself.

Hey LWR, I understand... why think for yourself when you can just rely on what Bush and Blair tells ya. I wish you the best of luck and trust me you will need it.

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if they could have, they would glad have killed 280,000 of us instead of 2800.

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Oh yeah, and this is nothing but typical media hype. the same disinformation that CNN feeds it's loyal viewers on a regular basis. good job.

What's so hard to understand? Instead of getting a fisa to come college and study aviation they could've just studied chemical engineering or microbiology. Then they could have easily wiped out much more than 280,000, especially with their concerted and tactical effort and clever thinking. They didn't attack the American People. They attacked the 'NWO'.

posted 08-18-2002 04:14 AM            

if you don't vote you don't count....

there is nothing wrong with our system...

it is the envy of the world...

there is everything wrong with people and there always will be until we are all gone...

changing government is not the answer....even stevie wonder can see that..and jefferson could too...if he was still alive...

dig

posted 08-18-2002 11:26 AM            

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Why should all people be gone to fix what is broken?

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Well, because a lot of people are just like Seeker:

Stupid
Arrogant
and
Gullable

And these people can't be 'fixed'.

So what we have to do is endure their dumb asses.

posted 08-18-2002 04:16 PM            

Here is something for you to ponder over:

American Servicemen Used As
Guinea Pigs - Tests Revealed
DOD Releases Project SHAD Fact Sheets
From American Patriot Friends Network
APFN@apfn.org
6-27-2

Project SHAD

Project SHAD, an acronym for Shipboard Hazard and Defense, was part of the joint service chemical and biological warfare test program conducted during the 1960s. Project SHAD encompassed tests designed to identify US warships' vulnerabilities to attacks with chemical or biological warfare agents and to develop procedures to respond to such attacks while maintaining a war-fighting capability. Although classified, the Department of Defense has been actively pursuing declassification of relevant medical information. To date twelve SHAD projects have been evaluated and released for your review. The Department of Defense continues to search and declassify documents associated with this project, and will post additional information as it becomes available. http://deploymentlink.osd.mil/current_issues/shad/shad_intro.shtml

American Servicemen used as Guinea Pigs JimCast@infowars.net (Last update) June 27, 2002

"Project Shipboard Hazard and Defense" (SHAD), was a program started in the early 1960's, to learn the vulnerabilities of US warships, during chemical or biological warfare attacks. Under "Project SHAD" were 113 different "Operations" or tests.

US Naval crews and Marine personnel were sprayed with various biological and chemical germ warfare agents, and simulants. Some ships, and Marine personnel were sprayed from overflying aircraft, while other tests on ships were being sprayed by aircraft carriers, which were upwind. While some high ranking personnel may have had knowledge of what was happening, most of the ships crews did not.

Project SHAD was controlled by The US Army Deseret Test Center, later to be known as Dugway Proving Grounds, Utah. For over 35 years, The Department of Defense said, "there was NO Project SHAD".

Today the DoD admits that it tested the deadly nerve agent Sarin, known as VX, or biological toxins on American Servicemen, but said the information was "classified".

Lately the DoD agreed to declassify all of the 113 "Operations" and inform the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) of the findings. Presently 12 of the 113 have been declassified, although the information being released is very limited.

The Department of Defense is not releasing ALL the information needed by the Veteran, which would allow him to apply for treatment in a VA facility and to file a claim for service connected disability compensation.

Only about 600 veterans of the estimated tens of thousands of those exposed to warfare agents have been notified they could be suffering from related dangerous health effects, according to VA and Pentagon officials.

A study by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs completed in September of 2001, but never released to the public or the affected veterans, suggests that Veterans, who participated in "Project SHAD", may be at increased risk for cerebrovascular diseases and respiratory diseases. That they are three (3) times more likely to die of respiratory and vascular brain diseases than the general population.

Steve Robinson, executive director of the National Gulf War Resources Center, said: "These veterans could be dying at a rate three times greater than the general population from diseases that could be related to their military service."

"We have a moral responsibility to set the record straight and that seems to be a problem for both the leaders in the Department of Defense, and the entrenched bureaucrats of the Department of Veterans Affairs."

Agents and decontaminants used, different ones in different tests are: Bacillus globigii (BG), Coxiella burnetii, Pasteurella tularensis, Zinc Cadmium Sulfide,

Beta-propriolactone, Sarin, VX, Escherichia Coli (EC), Serratia Marcescens (SM), Sodium Hydroxide, Peracetic acid, Potassium hydroxide, Sodium hypochlorite, "tracer amounts" of radioactivity and asbestos, Methylacetoacetate.

Senator Bill Nelson (D) of Florida, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee and Rep. Mike Thompson (D) of California plan to introduce legislation in their respective chambers next week, urging the Pentagon to reveal more information about the tests, known as "Project SHAD". Eleven other members of Congress have signed the request from Thompson. They have attached a provision on to Senate bill, S-2514, known as the National Defense Authorization Act, to fund the declassification of Project SHAD.

The President has vowed to veto the bill. The tests involved substances that the military believed at the time to be harmless. But evidence now shows that some could be harmful.

The Secretary of veterans affairs, Anthony Principi, urged Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to declassify more of the tests "as quickly as possible".

Anyone that believes they were part of the SHAD tests, should contact:

Vietnam Veterans of America 8605 Cameron Street, Suite 400 Silver Spring, Maryland 20910 301-585-4000, Fax 301-585-0519, 1-800-VVA-1316

The SHAD helpline is at 1-800-749-8387 or contact VA by e-mail at shadhelpline@vba.va.gov

All known SHAD operations, dates of operations, the agents sprayed, and the ships and Marine personnel involved, in no particular order, are:


Operation Dates, Agent Sprayed and Ships involved:

'Copper Head' Jan 24-Feb 25, 1965
Bacillus globigii
Zinc Cadmium Sulfide
(FP-fluorescent particle)
* USS Power

'Shady Grove' Jan 22-Apr. 9, 1965
Bacillus globigii,
Coxiella burnetii (OU),
Staphylococcal enterotoxin
(Type B _PG2)
Uranine dye (sodium fluorescein)
* USS Granville S.Hall

'Autumn Gold' May 3-31-1963
Bacillus globiggi (BG)
* USS Navarro (LPA-215)
* USS Tioga County (LST-1158)
* USS Carpenter
* USS Hoel (DDG13)
* USS Granville S. Hall (Yag-40)
* Marine Air group 13, First Marine Brigade

'Purple Sage'
Jan & Feb 1966
Methylacetoacetate
* USS Herbert J. Thomas (DD-833)

'Eager Belle I' Jan-Mar 1963
Bacillus globiggi (BG)
* USS George Eastman (yag39)

'Eager Belle II' Feb-Mar 1963
Bacillus globiggi (BG)
* USS George Eastman (yag39)
* USS Granville S. Hall (yag40)
* USS Carpenter (DD-825)
* USS Navarro (LPA-215)
* USS Tioga County(LST-1158)

'Scarlet Sage' Feb 9,1966-Mar 4, 1966
Bacillus globiggi (BG)
* USS Herbert J. Thomas (DD-833)
(Army tugs manned by naval personnel)

An article at www.tugboatsF.com/1t2080Frame1 LT-2080, LT-2081, LT-2085
source1.htm, lists the following agents as being used: LT-2086, LT-2087,
LT-2088

Tularamia, anthrax, parrot fever, Q fever, botulism, and Rocky Mountain
spotted fever.


'Fearless Johnny' Aug-Sep 1965
VX nerve agent Diethylphthlate
* USS George Eastman (yag-39),
* USS Granville S. Hall (yag-40)
* Two light tugs (not identified)
* VC-1 Utility squadron One,
* Blue Aiis Squadron (Blue Warriors)
* Patrol Squadron Six (PATRON SIX)
* Flight Wing Two,
* Covered lighter (barge) YFN-811
* US Navy Tug, ATF-105

'Flower Drum I' Feb-Apr
Sarin nerve agent
* USS George Eastman (yag-39),

Aug-Sep 1964
Sulphur dioxide, Methylacetoacetate
* USS Granville S. Hall (yag-40)

'Flower Drum II' Nov & Dec 1964
VX nerve gas
* US Navy Barge YFN-811

Phosphorous 32
* US Navy Tug, ATF-105
Bis (2 ethyl-hexyl)
hydrogen phosphite


DTC Test 69-32
Apr 30-Jun 28, 1969
Serratia
* USS Granville S. Hall (yag-40),

Marcensen, Escherichia coli, Five Army light tugs, (manned
Bacillus subtilis var. by naval personnel). niger (BG),

DTC Test 68-50 Sep-Oct 1968
Bacillus globiggi (BG)
* USS Granville S. Hall (YAG-40)

Staphylococcal enterotoxin,
Type B (PG2),
Uranine dye (sodium fluorescein).
used on:
* 4533rd Tactical Test Squadron
* 33rd Tactical Fighter Wing (F-4E aircraft)
* Marine Air Group 13, First Marine Brigade

'Half Note'
'Red Beva'
'Night Train'
'Big Tom'

101 Others to come (Hopefully).

Karl Theis
Video Field Reporter
RealityExpander Channel 10 TimeWarner
Austin,Texas cell 512 297-9875
k_t723@yahoo.com

IF THEY DID THIS THEN...WHAT ARE THEY DOING NOW?

DoD News, the official news of the Department of Defense, HA! http://www.defenselink.mil/news/dodnews.html
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/May2002/b05232002_bt264-02.html

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posted 08-18-2002 05:30 PM            

From a speech by retired USMC General Hawley.

"Since the attack, I have seen, heard, and read thoughts of such
surpassing
stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too. Here they
are:"

1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything is relative." "Listen
carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is relative. Say it with me now
and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying 'We're good' doesn't mean,
'We're perfect.' Okay? The only perfect being is the bearded guy on the
ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our country has,
with all our mistakes and blunders, always been and always will be, the
greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in history.
If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and see what happens. In
about half a day, the entire world would be a ghost town, and the United
States would look like one giant line to see 'The Producers.'"

2) "Violence only leads to more violence." "This one is so stupid you
usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it.
Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already:
Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky,
half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully thought
through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence
because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead. That's right,
dead. Not 'on trial,' not 'reeducated,' not 'nurtured back into the bosom of
love.' Dead. D-E-Well, you get the idea."

3) "The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community has failed us."

"For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a stake in the ground, and
now that the house has been robbed, we yell at them for not protecting us.
Starting in the late seventies, under Carter appointee Stansfield Turner,
the giant brains who get these giant ideas decided that the best way to
gather international intelligence was to use spy satellites. 'After all,'
they reasoned, 'you can see a license plate from 200 miles away.' This is
very helpful if you've been attacked by a license plate. Unfortunately, we
were attacked by humans. Finding humans is not possible with satellites.
You have to use other humans. When we bought all our satellites, we fired
all our humans, and here's the really stupid part. It takes years,
decades to infiltrate new humans into the worst places of the world. You
can't just have a guy who looks like Gary Busey in a Spring Break '93
sweatshirt plop himself down in a coffee shop in Kabul and say 'Hi ya, boys.
Gee, I sure would like to meet that bin Laden fella.' Well, you can, but all
you'd be doing is giving the bad guys a story they'll be telling for years."

4) "These people are poor and helpless, and that's why they're angry at us."
"Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was just a desperate
cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer than Elton John
and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor helpless people, you
see, are the villagers they tortured and murdered to stay in power. Mohamed
Atta, one of the evil scumbags who steered those planes into the killing
grounds (I'm sorry, one of the 'alleged hijackers,' according to CNN. They
stopped using the word 'terrorist,' you know), is the son of a Cairo
surgeon. But you knew this, too. In the sixties and seventies, all the
pinheads marching against the war were upper-middle-class
college kids who grabbed any cause they could think of to get out of their
final papers
and spend more time drinking. At least, that was my excuse. It's the same
today. Take the Anti-Global-Warming (or is it World Trade?
Oh-who-knows-what-the-hell-they-want) demonstrators. They all charged their
black outfits and plane tickets on dad's credit card(!) before driving to
the airport in their SUV's."

5) "Any profiling is racial profiling." " Who's killing us here, the
Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New York Times had an article
saying dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin Laden family
living in America were afraid of reprisals and left in a huff, never to
return to studying at Harvard and using too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. I
think we're all crushed. Please come back. With a cherry on top? Why don't
they just change their names, anyway? It's happened in the past. Think about
it. How many Adolfs do you run into these days? Shortly after that, I
remember watching TV with my jaw on the floor as a government official
actually said, 'That little old grandmother from Sioux city could be
carrying something.' Okay, how about this: No, she couldn't. It would never
be the grandmother from Sioux City. Is it even possible? What are the odds?
Winning a hundred Powerball lotteries in a row? A thousand? A million? And
now a Secret Service guy has been tossed off a plane and we're all supposed
to cry about it because he's an Arab? Didn't it have the tiniest bit to do
with the fact that he filled out his forms incorrectly three times? And then
left an Arab history book on his seat as he strolled off the plane? And
came back? Armed? Let's please all stop singing 'We Are the World' for a
minute and think practically. I don't want to be sitting on the floor in the
back of a plane four seconds away from hitting Mt. Rushmore and turn,
grinning, to the guy next to me to say, 'Well, at least we didn't offend
them.'"

"SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year: Never to forget our murdered
brothers and sisters. Never to let the relativists get away with their
immoral thinking. After all, no matter what your daughter's political
science professor says, we didn't start this. Have you seen that bumper
sticker that says, 'No More Hiroshima's?' I wish I had one that says, "You
First. No More Pearl Harbors.'"

"Semper Fi!"

posted 08-18-2002 11:17 PM            

Sorry, but this is just too funny.

Oxymoron Alert ! !

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p.s. I voted for Gore, as did most Americans.
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It makes me an independent thinker and it makes me open minded.
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posted 08-19-2002 01:02 AM            

lwr, you actually posed relevant conversation without derisive comments...a road not traveled by many...thanks you....

Maybe I was not clear enough, I think Jefferson meant that we should clean out lifetime career politicians, not neccesarily change from a republic to something else.

term limits...the problem with that is seniority...and there are some who do an exceptional job in our congress...some...

I have been in 15 countries, lived in some of them as well, we are not the envy of the world, laughing stock maybe. They envy our ability to have great sports stars...in everything but Formula 1 and, until this year, soccer, the only 2 sports that count in the worlds eye. They envy the "easy money we seem to acquire so easily. Our form of republic is not envied in many of the progressive and free countries that I have been in and know people from.

I would disagree, and say that you are placing value in my point, that this country is money....where the envy resides, no where else in the world can a man attain the same wealth and stature as here in the U.S...that's why they come from mexico...and canada...the orient...cuba...some by foot and on boats...and some mothers with their son who die on the trip to a new country, only to have that country send her boy back...my point is yes there's some wrong, but what's right out weighs what's wrong....

Simply voting will get us nowhere fast, just more of the few choices the powers that be allow us to have in order to make us feel good about our system. I do vote by the way, I write to editors, I take on causes that I feel strongly about. I have been both in the military and at the other end of a rifle butt when I protested an unjust and stupid war.

you sound a lot like me...sans the military experience...I have an authority problem....

While you may be called the Seeker, I quit seeking long ago. I could be called the Changealator if I wanted a name that described what I try and do. However that would be silly and would distract.

words don't mean that much it's action that counts..."the seeker" loosely translated in spanish is "el buscador"....the finder....

As for your statement that there is something wrong with people, what do you suggest we do about your perception? What do you do? Why should all people be gone to fix what is broken?

perception is not the problem...it's as simple as good and evil...which were here before us and will be long after we are dust...

there's no fixing it...only fighting it...a never ending battle, of purpose...in the short term...

you asked and I told you...IMO...

thanks again for the uptown reply and humor fellas...

posted 08-19-2002 01:14 AM            

In order to comprehend the meaning of my statements it's imperative that you read them all.

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p.s. I voted for Gore, as did most Americans. Didn't seem to matter now did it? Not that it was a win either way. It's simply a matter of picking the lesser of two evils. Perhaps if an honest, decent, and moral individual were to run for presidency more people would 'participate'. Quite frankly most intelligent people can see right through this system known as 'democracy'.

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Seeker,

get a dictionary

look up the word gullable

posted 08-19-2002 03:18 AM            

As far as screen names go - Seeker thought Oxymoron would be good for you.

Well maybe ............
but I like Alpha The Pompous .....

posted 08-19-2002 03:34 AM            

transparent.

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but I like Alpha The Pompus.

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Hmm interesting. Pompus eh? wow. You're a smart one aren't you?

p o m p o u s

You've got the 3rd grade wit but you lack the 3rd grade spelling. Sorry.

posted 08-19-2002 09:20 AM            

quote:

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In order to comprehend the meaning of my statements it's imperative that you read them all.

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Is that a threat A/T? LOL!