posted 09-26-2002 08:50 PM            

No thanks..."liberal", "commie", anti-americans get more abuse than anyone else posting there besides, his guestions could very easily be answered by going through what I said in Chemtrail Central thread...(Gulf War II) and make up his own mind. I won't lead him by the hand. I posted my opinion. He doesn't like it? Tough.

Are you fighting someone elses "battle"?

Do you make it your buisness to concern yourself with something over there that has absolutely nothing to do with you?

Never mind...don't answer that.I see where this is going.

Mech

posted 09-26-2002 09:14 PM            

back to the veggie convo...

Where to Find Protein

Sources Protein (g)
Animal
Tuna, 6-oz can 40
Chicken breast, 4 oz 35
Pork loin, 4 oz 30
Hamburger, 4 oz 30
Haddock, 4 oz 27
Cottage cheese, 1/2 c 1.5
Yogurt, 8 oz 1.1
Milk, 1%, 8 oz 8
Cheddar cheese, 1 oz 7
Whole egg, 1 large 6
Egg white, 1 large 3.5

Plant
Baked beans, 1 c 14
Lentil soup, 10.5 oz 11
Tofu, extra firm, 3.5 oz 1.1
Refried beans, 1/2 c 7
Hummus, 1/2 c 6
Kidney beans, 1/2 c 6
Peanut butter, 1 Tbsp 4.5
Almonds, dried, 12 3

seems meat is a far better source for protein, and you do not have to consume as much as you would plant protein to get your require protein amounts...

of interest how vegans mis-manage their diet :

http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?article=578

vegan athletes do the same :

http://www.swimmingcoach.org/articles/9701/article3.htm

Many of these so-called "vegetarian' athletes are simply non-meat eaters who have not bothered to replace meat protein with plant proteins. They may think they are gaining a competitive edge, but they are actually hindering themselves. They often have lingering colds, nagging injuries, poor recovery from workouts, and overall fatigue as dietary imbalances take their toll.

meow

posted 09-26-2002 09:30 PM            

I eat meat but taking the reality of death of the animal away leaves a lot to be desired. If anyone out here on these boards is a primitive hunter, you know exactly what I am talking about. The Native Americans were repectful and prayed every time they killed a deer or elk, they almost always left a sacred offering of tobacco as well.

Just a "thought of my very own"...Imagine that.

SEEKER sez......"mech, I was just trying to be nice, truth is when all you do is cut and paste, it shows how vacant and void your mind is of original thought..."

....."mech, I refuse to read any more cut and paste shit, please just give me your opinion and the link or a brief quote...and we'll discuss things...but this endless cut and pasting by folks is COMPLETELY OUT OF HAND !!!!"

Can you say HYPOCRITE!! (See above post)

Mech

posted 09-26-2002 09:38 PM            

Yeah you do generalize. As a matter of fact, I support gun pwners, enjoy Pat Buchanan, don't like Sharpton, and have as many liberal views as conservative. You see, I could call you Hitler or Reactionary Fascist or any of a thousand names. I give you facts, and you don't answer the challenge. YOU made the original statement and I rebuffed you. You get your "Protein Deficient" myth from the Meat industry. It's true that if you don't follow a plant diet carefully, you can get sick. But look at meat. When you get cancer, what is the thinh even oerthodox medicine does? Lowers protein intake!! Especially meat and milk because of it's 20% protein amount. We just take food from the source, the plants.

Now, wise ass, let me tell you a little of myself. I have been a diabetic for 40 years. The first ten years of the disease I ate meat. I Was in a coma a few times, kidney problems, boils on skin, eye problems. I followed exactly the meat diet as the doctors prescribed. I was falling apart at 15 years old.

Then 30 years ago, my wife and I slowly switched over to a plant based diet. First chicken, then fish, then cheese and milk, then bee pollen, and finally all plants. My health improved. My eyes were rupture-less, weight stabilized, and people now mistake me for someone 20 years younger. The side effect from what started out as a strictly health regime ,soon took in the life of animals and even the acceptance of other cultures.

Ther's another side. If you look at sequential and overlaping of Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal developement , you see the difference between Seeker, Bonehead, Jammer, and just everyone else in this posts. (Sorry Pacer, I didn't include you in this list-I'll explain in a bit)

Every human is a balance of Cro-Magnon and Neaderthal. There other strains, but let's concentrate on these. Neanderthals were primarily plant eaters that occasionally ate meat , started farming and planting, and threw trickets, dolls, and belogings in the graves of the dead. Cro-Magnons were strict meat eaters and would club vicrims over the head and eat their brains. Diplomacy and Cooperation was not Cro-Mag's forte'. It was much easier to kill than to plant.

posted 09-26-2002 09:55 PM            

how drunk are you ?

sheesh

posted 09-26-2002 10:02 PM            

hippie...read the links I posted...it ain't what I say...it's doctors...

send a joint this way hippie I need one after discussing stuff with you guys...

God Almighty !

posted 09-26-2002 10:55 PM            

I mean really bub you put the 'lame' in 'flame'

posted 09-27-2002 02:57 AM            

20 hertz theta....

btw...what's springfield like this time of year ?

swamp gas,

pat b's ok by me...and was labeled a "racist" for his views on the borders...before 9/11...not now....

chow

posted 09-27-2002 08:57 AM            

As far as Pat B goes, it's amazing how if independent thinkers of the left and right are despised by the puritans of the left or right. The frauds and phonies are on both sides, each with there own agenda. Are you a right wing puritan. I certainly am not a left wing puritan. I don't like Noam Chomsky, Alexander Cockburn, Marc Cooper, David Corn, or Joe Lieberman. I do like Gore Vidal and Mike Parenti. Same on the right. I find William Buckley and William Safire interesting, but despise George Bush and Ann Coulter. Although Coulter and Limbaugh let us know exactly what rabid Facsists would do if given the power.

posted 09-27-2002 09:52 AM            

I don't buy that for a minute. Hippies scared the bejeezis out of our government because they new damn well that things were about to change, and there was nothing that their McCarthy brainwashed asses could do about it. And things did change.

Too bad a lot of those people turned out to be something entirely 180 degrees opposite of what they once were.We could use even more radical changes today!

From...an "X" er

posted 09-27-2002 02:11 PM            

just the way of things I imagine...besides how would people know where to put their allegiance if not for some type of extremism left or right ?

I love Ann Coulter, and enjoy the hell out of Limbaugh...norman mahler(sp?) is an embarrassment...as is al gore....

if we all agreed on things...it would be awfully dull...eh ?

(btw, thanks for expressing your views without cut and paste...very refreshing)

velveeta la france !

did I get that one right theta...sheesh...

posted 09-27-2002 07:32 PM            

Corrupt, Corrupt, Corrupt...through and through.

posted 09-29-2002 12:46 PM            

Ted Nugent "Eat Meat, Pack Heat"

I've plastered this on other threads but it belongs here most of all for those that missed it...one more time...

We, the sensible of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone
get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep
our nation safe, promote positive behavior and secure the blessings of
debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great grandchildren,
hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense
guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden delusional, and other
liberal, commie, socialist, pinko bedwetters.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that a whole lot of people were
confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill
of No Rights.

Article I
You do not have the right to a new car, big-screen color TV or any other
form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but
no one is guaranteeing anything.

Article II
You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on
freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may
leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, or keep
your mouth shut, but the world is full of idiots, and probably always
will be.

Article III
You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a
screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the
tool manufacturer to make you and all of your relatives independently
wealthy from your own stupidity.

Article IV
You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the
most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need,
but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after
generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than
the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.

Article V
You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but
from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public
health care.

Article VI
You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you
kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don't be surprised if
the rest of us get together and kill you.

Article VII
You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob,
cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be
surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place
where you still won't have the right to a big-screen color TV or a life
of leisure.

Article VIII
You do not have the right to demand that our children risk their lives
in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience. We hate oppressive
governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight if
you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do
not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little
tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat.

Article IX
You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have one,
and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities in education and vocational training laid
before you to make yourself useful.

Article X
You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you
have the right to pursue happiness -- which, by the way, is a lot easier
if you are unencumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by
those around you who were confused by the original Bill of Rights.
-Author Unknown-

posted 09-29-2002 01:23 PM            

>>>>>>>>>"Article IV
You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the
most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need,
but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after
generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than
the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes."

HOW about people like DUPONT, BOEING and GRUMMAN ?.......What about their GIGANTIC Subsidies? They are among the biggest welfare freaks in the country.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Article VIII
You do not have the right to demand that our children risk their lives
in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience. We hate oppressive
governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight if
you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do
not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little
tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat."

That I wholeheartedly agree with..it only makes someone else rich.

All in all not too bad...I just don't think its a good idea to label someone a "pinko", "commie liberal" or otherwise. You just might make an enemy.

Mech

posted 09-29-2002 08:10 PM            

Here's a good test for all you "BRAVE" people. Make it an even match. Bag an animal with just your bare hands. Or better yet, I'll give you one better. Go out with just a hunting knife. You hunters are just a bunch of chicken-shits. Just like our "Dry Drunk" Crackhead president. Blood for oil. Even if it kills innocents.

This plant feels pain theory is absurd. This is only argument carnivores have. PLANTS DON"T HAVE A BRAIN!! ONLY REDUMENTARY NERVOUS SYSYEM!! My Grandma had a green thumb and talked to plants. She said they respond to sound frequency, and that's all. I doubt any of you could grow like her.

History shows plant eaters are using peace loving people. HItler was not a vegetarian contrary to myth. He went on six month vegey diets to clean out his intestines after six months of Sausage. This is not to say meat eaters aren't good people. Here's a link to show some of the people I mean.
http://www.soystache.com/famousaz.htm

posted 09-30-2002 02:00 AM            

History shows plant eaters are using peace loving people.

you are one of the most meanspirited SOB's on this board gas...and btw...how many jews got cooked while hitler was on the "plant protein" diet....

lol

nugent rocks !

great post kook !

posted 09-30-2002 06:19 AM            

The Bill of no rights articles were of an unknown author, though I wouldn't mind if I'd thought of them. Really sick of the entitlement crowd whining, but I can't take responsibility for the name calling in that particular piece of work.

I have vegan friends but as with anything else the extremes get the bad press (any press)...

Want to see how peaceful vegans can be? Do a google search on the PETA ALF/ELF connection (and I'm not talking about Extreme Low Frequency) although their brains may be. Here's just one incident. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,63246,00.html

I love nature as all outdoors types do. I also would rather feed my family with a deer than watch thousands die of starvation or as road kill. Let's just throw religion in to this debate too because I also believe we are to be good stewards in charge of this planet and the creatures that walk it. Not equals! The proper culling of herds and our forests is much more responsible than sitting back and doing nothing. Would you just let your house or yard accumulate in disarray? Ever live next to someone who does? Can you say fire hazard?

There was also a mild attempt at adding a little humor to this heated thread. that worked real well...Lighten up!

posted 09-30-2002 06:26 AM            

quote:

---

HOW about people like DUPONT, BOEING and GRUMMAN ?.......What about their GIGANTIC Subsidies? They are among the biggest welfare freaks in the country.

---

Agreed! No gov bail outs or subsidies for anyone, Airlines, insurance...anyone! Let the free market place and capitalism do it's job. The inferior and substandard will be replaced in short order. Unfortunately for TPTB it would also expose more of their hypocrisy so I wouldn't hold my breath.

posted 09-30-2002 11:49 AM            

Seeker,
that sounds pretty mean spirited to me. Being a plant eater means for life. Kind of like the CIA or The Mafia. Why is all the long range space travel diets planned by NASA plant based?

Hitler was a mess because of many things, not least his confusion of plant or meat based diet. You aren't a plant eater for one weak, then a meat eater next. You are a carnivore that eats plants. It's like being a Christian on Friday and a Buddhist on Saturday. Hitler was a CARNIVORE. End of discussion on that.

Again, no answers to my questions. Would you bag a deer if it was on equal grounds. You bare-handed vs the deer? Of course not. Thinning out the herd! Oh like de-populating the earth of humans. What about humane population control? Like AmeriKKKa, you will attack only weaker countries with sophisticated weapons, like Iraq or AfGhanistan. Not China. Because China would kick AmeriKKKa's Ass. The 3 things that stop BUSHLADEN productions from going into Iraq at this point

1)Urban fighting in Baghdad
2)China
3)American Public

I don't agree with all PETA does, but you take the extremes and say this is the normal. Because George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft are all Born-Again Christians does that make all Born-Agains are World-Conquring Meglomaniacs? No, they are the extremes.

posted 09-30-2002 01:29 PM            

It seems like Ted Nugent was a draft dodger like Dumbya. Also, at concerts, he would call all women bitches and who would like to give him a blowjob. So, small animals and females are in the same category for people like Nugent. The Biblical concept that women are either mothers or whores. No in between. He hates feminists, animal rights activists, NAACP, liberals, gays, lesbians, in fact anything not in alignment with his narrow view of reality. He makes fun of Paul McCartney and InSync. Why? Jealousy!!!!