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October 25, 2002

It is our joy and pleasure to be reunited through this one [Michele] with you and with humanity. It is our joy and pleasure, yet we understand that in the human experience that it might not always be full of joy and pleasure. We understand this with compassion, yet we also come to you with an awareness that we wish to pass on to you; the realization that you, too, are always full of joy and the capacities of bringing that joy into the body, even within those circumstances of life that would lead you to believe that there is something that is not correct.

What we would like to speak to you about is the perceptions that are in the United States at this time. Your culture has a certain view of itself that has allowed it, on many levels, to resist a certain maturation process. There is a way in which the collective of the United States has been attached to a kind of adolescent mentality. Beginning a little over a year ago with the terrorist attack on your land, that adolescent mentality began a process of becoming conscious that the playground was no longer safe.

The United States has been very much a playground; you have Disney worlds on both coasts, you have megamalls, you have many toys, you have big vehicles, you have more food and varieties of foods than any other place in the world. You have the taste, the sensations, auditorially and sensorially, to keep you occupied and entertained for quite a long time. And being entertained is what the United States public became used to and assumed it deserved, and then felt generous when inviting the world to come and play.

However, playing without consciousness is rather like being a child with, in this case, a loaded gun. There is no accountability or responsibility for how the playground is manifested and what that process takes from the rest of the planet. That lack of accountability and responsibility is now beginning to become more and more conscious. There are now those who are bringing forward the voice of accountability and responsibility. That does not mean that you need to have less of a sense of joy. True joy is not the same as irresponsible pleasure at the expense of everyone else. That awareness is what is being shifted in the consciousness.

There are those who create this diversion and keep it going; the marketplace, the advertising, the corporate structures, the powers that be that would like the United States public to be entertained, to not see what is going on, and to continue to be unaccountable for themselves so they cannot point any fingers at those who are also being irresponsible on other levels. That is what is changing.

Now, what happens when a public, a collective, begins to realize that they are no longer free to play at everyone else’s expense? That they have responsibility and are accountable for what has been the impact of their choices, even though they have not always been aware of that impact? And that they have become less aware of and responsive to their own innate knowing of truth and their own sense of honor within their soul that says, “I Am, I have a reason to be here, I am important, and so is everyone else?” All of that has been submerged beneath the glaze of staying entertained, engaged in being consumers, and afraid of what media or others say are threats.

What happens as people begin to be conscious? There are conflicting emotions as one becomes aware that there have been choices that have harmed others, not only on an individual basis, but also on a collective basis. Some may say ‘no, my SUV and my lifestyle has not harmed anyone, it’s just about me’. These people may find it more and more difficult in the days ahead to say that. There will be those who resist and fight, and who have their arms around everything that they say belongs to them, without wanting to share, let go, or see the possibility of other choices. But there will be those whose hearts and whose awareness do begin to open.

There needs to be processes and ways for people to become accountable, and ways for people to become powerful in that accountability. People will need to begin to create new ways to be together that incorporate more than play and entertainment. They will need to open the possibilities of creating a world consciousness that not only invites people to play, but to education, to greater awareness of what is possible for health and well-being, of respect and honor for each individual, for each sex, race, for the individual cultures, and for the gifts that come from all the multiplicity that lives in the world. There is no need for peoples of other cultures to wish to become like those in the United States, so that they too can take everything that they can from a people, a culture, a land, and keep it for themselves so that they can play at the level that is held up to them as the epitome of success. Playing is not wrong. It is part of your nature. It is the lack of accountability that has created a distortion that has had great impact on the entire world.

This is a time for the collective consciousness. The shift is not just individual anymore; this is a collective shift. It is different than in the past when we spoke to each one and said that it is about what you do for yourself, how you interpret and bring everything back to yourself, and as you are transformed, that transformation is brought into the whole. That has happened for the past 20, 30, 50 years, and for much of this past century.

However, what is happening now is collective. What does that mean? It means that those of you who have done the personal work no longer need to sit in your closets, and bedrooms, and meditation places, and only bring everything back to you and process it all. It means that your place in the whole is now being readied, and if not already readied, it is soon to be put into place. It means that wherever you are, you have an opportunity to give voice, expression, and perhaps creation or form to a larger voice beyond just your own; a voice that belongs to the emerging maturation of the collective.

The United States was given many, many gifts. They had all of the beautiful resources of an expansive, resource rich mass of land. They had the gifts that came from all of the peoples of different countries and cultures that were shared and combined here. They had a large vision for cooperative democracy. Cooperative democracy, not just polarities and fighting, and whoever has the biggest sword and the biggest army wins. That is feudal consciousness. The United States had a different vision. However, the consciousness of the young country formed in ways that result from giving a child too many toys and unlimited power, without a sense of the responsibility and accountability that comes with becoming part of a larger world community. That can no longer be the case.

The government leaders of your country may stand in a warring position and say, ‘we have the biggest armies and the biggest weapons, and we’re the winners regardless of who wants to say what and do what, regardless of who wants to have autonomy in their countries and their land.’ That consciousness is feudal, it is old, and it is not where life or consciousness is evolving to now. But simultaneously, there is an emerging consciousness of accountability, it exists and it has evolved. It is ready to move into the public arenas to give voice and representation to the awareness and consciousness of this larger world vision that is present. Love is at the heart and core. Yes, love, compassion and awareness as well as a kind of tiredness. A tiredness of having so much impact be so covered over and ignored. That impact can no longer be covered over. It is being brought right into the heart of the consciousness of the United States.

We are aware that today a person that represented some of this consciousness [reference to the death of Minnesota senator Paul Wellstone] came to Spirit. That one, in his doing so, has opened a door for all of you and for many more people to say what is real, what is true, and what is in integrity within your heart and within the core of humanity. Everyone may not use the same language or come at it from the same place, but in a spirit of cooperation, there is a now a possibility of bringing about a larger shift in the collective consciousness than there has ever been in previous times. The presence of the Internet, this world wide web of information sharing, has the capacity to impact consciousness in such immediate ways. This vehicle also makes many more people aware of the impact of choices and decisions made by corporate or national leaders who have previously been insulated from the impact of their actions. It makes it harder to cover over the stories of people and the environment who have been impacted but who have had no voice for so long.

It is time to draw and build the bridges, to begin to put together the action and the impact, and to hold them side-by-side. And to put together the people that have made choices that had large impacts with the people who have experienced the impacts. What happens when they are all put together? What happens when these people have to hear the experience of these people and they cannot run away and hide in their ivory tower or their playground? What happens when the people who have experienced the impact also have the possibility of new ways to create something that would be of benefit to a greater number of people? New ways to create business, new ways to create manufacturing, new ways to create communities that are more involved in upholding the honor, the creativity, and the basic human needs and rights of all that are affected.

It is a difficult time for some of you, witnessing an attempt at a takeover in the world by those who would like to maintain the status, the power, and the money that have kept a number of families and a number of people very secure for a very long time. Yes, they would like to take more control. At the same time, there is rising up, a shift in the collective, and that is what will shift the momentum. It perhaps will not happen in this immediate time, but it is rising and it is coming, and in a few years you will feel and know that all of the work and processes that you have done in the privacy of your bedrooms, in your closets, in your meditations, and in your healings have not been in vain. Not only has it not been in vain, it has in truth been the foundation of what is now growing and maturing in the collective.

In order for that to continue to grow, there needs to be a coming together of those who have been isolated, who have done this work in private, who have formed their own way of sharing what they have grown. But now to come together with more mature, aware, and love-centered voices, with insights, recommendations, suggestions, and empowered, passionate creativity to bring form to what is now wishing to have birth within the collective, within the whole.

You, humanity, are large family. You have always been. However, there has been a large split in consciousness where there has been an assumption that some get to play at the expense of others. That is now changing, and that will change radically over the next few years. Your next few months may feel to be, on a human level, full of challenge, turmoil, and a sense of back and forth as the poles swing from one end to the other. It is imperative to stay in your connected center, your heart center, and to spend time there with yourself and also with others. And to form certain alliances that will support the growth of some new linkages. Those linkages can then be co-creative together to create something larger. Continue to do this, and to find the strength you need in that process. You will find that there is support, and there is that feeling of joy that is true from the core, as well as an ability to move beyond any concerns about personal needs into the awareness that all are part of an living whole organism which will fill and fulfill all of that which, in previous times, has been held as private.

Do not feel so private any longer. Privatization, so to speak, is dissolving. You are becoming unified in a way that enhances your individuality and individual gifts more than ever before. You are no longer bound within a collective conditioning under the influence of a collective sleep potion. You have the opportunity to step forward, to contribute your piece, your joy, your gift, your creativity, while allied with many more. Get used to it. Get used to begin in the middle of things. Get used to opening your mouth and letting things come out without previous coaching or thinking about it. Become aware that you have enough awareness, and that there is more than enough Love for you personally as well as ready to move through you at any moment. It is not about who you are, what you’ve done, what your credentials are, or where you have taken your training, or not. If you have a feeling in your being to participate, then do so with your whole heart, the whole of your wisdom, and the whole Being that you are.

Know that you have come through many, many lifetimes into this one for such a convergence. Know that young, old, and in-between, of every age, in every group and in every place that you are, you will link and find each other as this large group of collective souls now converges to create something new. This is happening around the world, not just in the United States, although the collective shift of consciousness within the United States is perhaps the largest shift that is happening worldwide at this time.

It is interesting, which is perhaps a very mild word, for those of us in Spirit to participate and watch this event. Today [the day of the Wellstone plane crash] is sparking another wave of awareness, and also prompting people to begin that process of convergence. Some have very strong political beliefs, and would not have said they have anything to do with an awareness of Love, and yet they too are aware that something is being called forth. Let the maturation of the collective proceed, take your places within the whole, speak and give form to your awareness when prompted, and stay tuned to the joy that lives at the core of Creation. That is all for now.


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posted 10-31-2002 02:11 PM            

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This dialogue was between Chris and friends, and the Spirit group that arranged for the October 25th channneling we titled The United States Becomes Accountable. This was some of the conversation that continued following their message.

OVER ALL THE YEARS OF TALKING WITH YOU, YOU HAVE NEVER PUT THE FOCUS ON THINGS LIKE A SECRET GOVERNMENT OR THE POWERS BEHIND THE SCENES, ETC. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS, YET HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE IVORY TOWERS AND THE PRIVILEGED FEW WHO WANT TO MAINTAIN CONTROL. I ASSUME THEY DO EXIST, AND ALTHOUGH SOME PEOPLE SEE CONSPIRACY IN EVERYTHING, I DO NOTICE THAT I FIND MYSELF TRUSTING THE “OFFICIAL” VERSION OF THINGS LESS AND LESS. SO WHEN AN EVENT HAPPENS LIKE THE SNIPER ON THE EAST COAST OR THE CRASHING OF PAUL WELLSTONE’S PLANE, MY MIND SOMETIMES DOES TAKE A LEAP TO OKAY, WHAT’S SOMEBODY TRYING TO DO? IS THAT POTENTIALLY TOO BIG OF A DISTRACTION TO BE THINKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WAY OR IS IT SOMETHING SURFACING?

Well, both. In some ways it can be a distraction, particularly if your mind begins to become highly suspicious and based in a sort of fear or questioning of everything. Because there is within the whole of unfolding consciousness within the earth that which is also being opened and shifted, orchestrated by the life-force itself. So there are events that happen that are called forth through the shift of consciousness. You call it forth, do you understand? It is not some secret government making it happen.

You are calling it forth, and in that process you become more conscious of some of the manipulation and the power, control, and the monies, etc. that are doing their very best to maintain that control. We’ve never denied that they exist. We only have not focused upon them. If your focus is there and you do not have an ability to remain in a sort of neutral place within the larger awareness, then you can get sucked in. There is a certain propensity within that thoughtform to become very suspicious, questioning, and cynical, and not have enough perspective or awareness within that configuration of consciousness to dance with it all. You will find that people who have conspiracy theories will not always be able to embrace the whole. That is one reason we have not done so before, because so many people have not yet grown to that place. It is now coming, you are calling it forth, and it will largely find its own way into consciousness through vehicles that will bring it forward in ways that are not just about suspicion and pointing fingers, but breaking open in ways that will be undeniable to those who need a certain amount of proof to believe anything. Some of that will eventually need to happen.

AS I WATCHED TELEVISION AND SAW SOME OF THE MANY INTERVIEWS WITH PEOPLE WHO WERE AFFECTED BY THE DEATH OF SENATOR WELLSTONE, I DID REALLY BECOME AWARE OF HOW MANY WERE TALKING ABOUT SPEAKING UP AND STANDING FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, AND OTHER QUALITIES THAT WERE REFLECTIONS OF THE SENATOR. IT SEEMED PRETTY INTERESTING TO ME WHAT HAPPENED WHEN A DUALITY EXISTED AND THEN ONE OF THE POLES WAS SUDDENLY REMOVED. I COULDN’T HELP THINKING THAT IT REALLY WAS AN EFFECTING EVENT, HOWEVER SUCH THINGS ARE ORCHESTRATED.

By agreement, of course...............

WHAT ABOUT THE SNIPER, THE WAR, AND PEOPLE LOSING IT AND SHOOTING UP PEOPLE AND ALL THESE EVENTS THAT TAKE OUR ATTENTION. ARE THEY ORCHESTRATED TO KEEP US DISTRACTED?

You are calling it forth. Look at the fear that has lived in the consciousness. It has to create itself in form.

SO IT HAS TO COME OUT

Yes. So here is someone who has certain angers and certain separation from life and heart and an ability to reason in that way, and who finds a certain pleasure in the power of controlling so many people’s fear. Having that power, so to speak. Individuals may have alliances with certain principles or beliefs, or sympathies with certain groups. They may even have certain vulnerabilities that allow them to be manipulated. But at the same time, who’s calling it forth? If you’re going to point to a secret government and say they are to blame, then that is not all the truth, any of it.

The collective has allowed a secrecy to live within itself. It has abdicated that place within itself that says I am sovereign, I am able to make choices, I am responsible for my own creation. They’ve largely abdicated it, given it away, and then there have been those who have said okay, we’ll take that, thank you very much for giving it to us. Do you see? It is why we never point to a secret government and say give it all your attention and make them the bad guys. Do you understand? That is too easy. It defers duality into another side trip. It’s not the case. Yes, it exists. WHY does it exist? Why does the collective allow it to exist? Why did you create it?

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE HAVE CREATED SOME OF THESE THINGS TO CREATE THIS SHIFT?

Yes, to activate. In some ways, the capacity of people when challenged emotionally is to either go deeper into that place of self-awareness and self-wisdom, or to externalize to an even greater degree and say it is all outside of me. The sniper experience, the bombing experience in Bali, that pulls people out. The loss of this one today [Wellstone] will pull people in.

WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH MANY TIMES WHERE THERE HAS BEEN AN EVENT LIKE THE DEATH OF JFK, OR PRINCESS DIANA, AND PEOPLE HAVE THIS SHARED EMOTION OF GRIEF OR LOSS. TODAY IT SEEMS DIFFERENT AS THOSE THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER FROM THE WELLSTONE DEATH. THEN THERE WAS THE SNIPER; I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT I’M SUPPOSED TO FEEL FROM THAT EVENT.

Yes, to activate. In some ways, the capacity of people when challenged emotionally is to either go deeper into that place of self-awareness and self-wisdom, or to externalize to an even greater degree and say it is all outside of me. The sniper experience, the bombing experience in Bali, that pulls people out. The loss of this one today [Wellstone] will pull people in.

HOW DOES THE ENERGY OF SUCH AN EVENT AFFECT SOMEONE LIKE GEORGE BUSH? OBVIOUSLY THERE IS SOME KIND OF POWER THING INSIDE OF HIM THAT IS STRUGGLING, TOO.

Yes. Struggle. There are many people struggling with this, and will. Good.

I WAS THINKING EARLIER THAT THERE IS A SORT OF CURIOUS PARADOX THAT THIS OPENING IS CREATING SOME POSSIBILITIES. YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THE COLLECTIVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, IS CALLING THINGS FORTH. IN ORDER TO MAKE SENSE OF THAT, ONE ALSO HAS TO SHIFT TO THE LARGER VIEW THAT ALSO CAN UNDERSTAND COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY.

Yes.

WELL, I’M ALWAYS AMAZED THAT IT HAPPENS AT ALL, ACTUALLY. IT SEEMS THAT TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B, YOU HAVE TO ALREADY BE AT POINT B. HOW DO WE HAVE A REALIZATION WITHOUT HAVING THE REALIZATION?

Sometimes there needs to be assistance. We have for many years framed things in a certain way. Your mind has considered them, and this frame has assisted you to perceive in a way you might not have without some assistance along the way to create a certain frame of perspective. That frame of perspective continuously evolves and changes, and is informed by your own wisdom and your own informing nature. But, you and others have been informed. Do you understand? Formed within a sort of descending light within consciousness. Now you are the ones who are giving and putting out the frames of perspective that others may need. ‘Have you considered looking at it this way’, etc.

I WAS RECENTLY GIVEN A BOOK THAT DISCUSSES A TECHNIQUE OF USING KINESEOLOGY TO MEASURE CONSCIOUSNESS ON A NUMERICAL SCALE. THE MEASURE OF 1000 WAS SAID TO BE THE POINT AT WHICH NO ENLIGHTENED BEING ON EARTH HAS EVER SURPASSED. I WAS A BIT PUT OFF BY THE AUTHOR USING HIS OWN STATEMENT OF A HIGH RATING AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOOK, IMPLYING THAT GREAT TRUTHS EXIST THEREIN. I AM FAMILIAR WITH USING KINESEOLOGY FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF TESTING USING THE BODY AS A MEASURING TOOL, BUT STILL IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF INTELLECTUAL TRAP IN THIS SYSTEM WHICH LEADS ME TO ASK ABOUT HOW VALID IT IS.

There is an intellectual trap and there is a physical trap. Frequency can only be measured within a certain range in the physical at this point. If you are using a body, it has a range of frequency that can be measured, but it is also limited from what is possible to be accessed directly or indirectly through the cosmos, the field of all possibility. So, we smile. It’s very human-like to measure everything, to put it into a measurable, tangible, ‘this is the way it is’ kind of way, and now we have a system and this system is the one to go by, and everyone is then measured accordingly. It is human-like to want to do something like that, but it is far from complete. Perhaps it is assisting to some who need to come through a particular system of proof to begin to entertain possibilities of other perspectives and other awarenesses. That would be fine. That has happened through religion, that has happened through science, and through many different vehicles before. It is not necessary to say it is not valid, but it is perhaps necessary to say it is not complete.

IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE FEWER AND FEWER QUESTIONS THESE DAYS.

Perhaps that is why this one is channeling less (laughter).

THINGS JUST SEEM TO PROCEED THESE DAYS……..

Well, you ones have more in-for-mation. You are more informed directly. That is what has been the intention all along.

YES, COCREATORS.

I HAVE A QUESTION THAT IS PERHAPS ASKING FOR A SNEAK PEEK AT WHAT MAY OCCUR FOR A MUSICAN FRIEND OF MINE AS WELL AS OTHER CREATIVE PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY HAVING THEIR VOICES HEARD OR BEING SUPPORTED FOR THE GIFTS THEY HAVE TO SHARE......

There are those whose gifts have been unable to be fully realized until a certain level of consciousness and awareness are realized, opened and contributed into the whole, and the ways are made more and more clear. There has been a dominance, as you all know very well, that has limited the amount and the quality of expression because of those who would maintain the vehicles of distribution of music, books, products, etc., so that in a sense people have only been able to contribute if there was a certain compromise along the way. Authors will tell you of books that have been mangled and rewritten by those who publish them. Artists or those who are musicans are often not able to thrive because their works are not received. So there are many gifts that have been limited in their ability to be shared, expressed, and brought forward.

However, the pathways are opening for those now who wish to maintain integrity within their own being, their own heart, their own gifts, to share them without that quality control that comes down from a dominant consciousness, and whose gifts, voices, and contributions can serve this greater shift of consciousness within the collective.

HOW MIGHT THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE MEDIA CHANGE IN THE COMING YEARS?

It will become more and more direct, person to person, group to group, just as the word of mouth through the internet can bring about a surge of response, there can be more and more of that quality of interconnectedness and direct sharing of the gifts that wish to be shared. There is also more and more a sense of community forming amongst those that share the gifts that come from these levels of consciousness. The community used to be rather small at that level of those who were the authors who could afford to fly to different places to be on the dockets of the different conferences, and that little traveling group formed a community. But it wasn’t widespread and open. That is shifting, and as people become more aware of their own authority to create their own experience and their own gifts to share into the whole, and as more and more convergences happen and are initiated and activated into the widespread birth of potential and the ability to share that, perhaps even now currencies that would allow people to share without needing to be so dependant on the dollar. There is then an encouragement to share.

THAT'S ALSO WHAT I HAVE ENVISIONED, BUT THEN I THINK OF THE PEER-TO-PEER SHARING NETWORKS ON THE INTERNET AND HOW DOGGEDLY THEY ARE BEING CHALLENGED BY THOSE WISHING TO RETAIN CONTROL, EVEN EXTENDING TO THE ATTEMPTS TO MAKE LAWS THAT ALLOW COMPANIES TO HACK INTO PERSONAL COMPUTERS AND DISABLE FILES. I’M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT……..

In your collective you have birthed a whole generation that is so incredibly technologically tuned that any attempts to do that will very quickly be undermined or a way will be found around it. Some young genius somewhere will very soon probably create a different way to bring sort of universal access and availability to these kinds of sharing through a medium that will probably very quickly catch on because of the younger people and their desire to have open sharing. They don’t want to be controlled, and they have a lot of things to share. They were born bursting!

PERHAPS I’M SPEAKING AS AN EARLIER GENERATION OF TECKIE, BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GIVES ME A TRUE SENSE OF SATISFACTION IS WATCHING HOW THE YOUNG TECKIE PEOPLE GET AROUND THE CONTROLS. I LOVE SEEING WHAT GETS CREATED.

Their minds are always opening to what is next and what could be a way to create this in a way that would link up more people more freely and with greater ease. There are many young musicians and artists that are being encouraged by their peers to share their gift on the internet. Almost as if they have a free audience waiting for what might be shared. Then they share and someone else is inspired and they actually start to create music with people around the world. Of course, that is fun. They are playing. There is a certain playground feeling within the whole of it, and among these young people it is the joy they share in that play. You can’t play all by yourself very easily, do you see? So they like that.

They are also more conscious, however, of their greater responsibility to the earth, to the environment, to each other. They are less controlled consciously to believe that they are powerless and have to give all their power to an authority beyond them in order to get what they need for life. They don’t have that experience.

HALLELUJAH!

Yes.

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posted 10-31-2002 09:10 PM            

Much more radical measures will have to be undertaken if anything is going to change from what it is today.

posted 11-02-2002 03:07 AM            

there is little collective light in todays youth as the *channeler* implies...much the contrary...I watch them everyday pick up their children, and while they wait, throwing wrappers and trash on the earth...smoking around their kids...swearing...bodies full of holes with jewelwry...tattoos...questionable attire...the youth of today is very angry...and in dire need of *way*....

all in all...if that was an example of a *paid* session I would demand my money back...if I were to sit down and pay someone for answers I would expect to hear them...and if I were to sit down to give answers...that is what I would do...

there is a collective but it is not of light...it is fear based...which is really where *control* comes from...

I feel the channeler's word's are born of confusion...and the author of that is well known...

I avoided this thread for days...sorry if I offended anyone with my remarks....the moody blues said years ago that I should decide which is right...and which is the illusion....I took it seriously....

posted 11-02-2002 10:43 PM            

other than vague threats mech maybe you have some factual evidence to prove me wrong ?

and besides, I am and always have been the best friend of young persons that drive an automobile ...so I doubt your "prediction" will ever come true...

posted 11-02-2002 10:59 PM            

You make generalizations about "angry,pierced kids with no direction." Well gee DUH! I can see why they are angry. Most of them have a very GRIM future to look forward to. Most of the ones i know are finding it harder and harder to make a living. None of them have health care and none of them drive a newer car.
They are just as fed up as I am with government, corporations and media controlling them. It's only a matter of time before the s--- hits the fan.

posted 11-02-2002 11:38 PM            

there's plenty of work out there, for those who want to...

problem is no one pays good to sit around the house get high and play video games all day...and that sux...eh...

I never had healthcare til I was 30...didn't need it and found it a waste of money... your attempt at making that an issue for the young is silly...

they will save themselves if they want to work...or blame everyone else as you do for their problems...like liberal democrats...

the only person on the face of the earth that can ever stop you from being what you want to be or doing what you want to do is YOU !

you'll do well to remember that...

posted 11-03-2002 12:04 AM            

Your typical neo-conservative comments of kids "sitting around playing video games instead of working" is exactly the same mentality of the pro-corporate welfare, anti-social welfare attitude of hypocrites like Newt Gingrich, George Bush and Rush Limbaugh. It's okay for rich people to suck the system dry...but when someone says..." To hell with working for the man", he's demonized as a social parasite. If he/she can take care of himself without the system or corporations then he/she is a better person as far as i'm concerned.The "American dream" is a lie.

For all intents and purposes, the system has FAILED.Only a handful run EVERYTHING. It's time for something radically different. I'll be the first in line to help it's demise. The sooner the better.Time to smash it up.

BURN BABY BURN!

---"THAT'S ALSO WHAT I HAVE ENVISIONED, BUT THEN I THINK OF THE PEER-TO-PEER SHARING NETWORKS ON THE INTERNET AND HOW DOGGEDLY THEY ARE BEING CHALLENGED BY THOSE WISHING TO RETAIN CONTROL, EVEN EXTENDING TO THE ATTEMPTS TO MAKE LAWS THAT ALLOW COMPANIES TO HACK INTO PERSONAL COMPUTERS AND DISABLE FILES. I’M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT…….. "

posted 11-03-2002 01:21 AM            

Abraham Lincoln

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. What, in its essence, is Fascism, but ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any control."

FDR

"It is a difficult time for some of you, witnessing an attempt at a takeover in the world by those who would like to maintain the status, the power, and the money that have kept a number of families and a number of people very secure for a very long time. Yes, they would like to take more control."
--thanks Thermit.

"---How many more coincidences is it going to take to wake people up? Answer: The only thing that will wake people up is the coming economic depression - short of that, the American population will swallow any lie, believe any implausible alibi, no matter how bald faced and ridiculous it is, that their leaders can shove down their throats.

But by the time the sheep awaken, if ever, by then it may be too late. For once they finally see their true condition, by then the mechanisims of human tracking and control might have reached nearly 100% implementation, (sciences like this stuff currently on the horizon: biometrics, genometrics, implants,id cards, "non lethal" crowd suppression weaponry, etc, often blaze across the horizon like wildfire.) the science of control, both psychological and physical will have advanced to such near perfection, that there may be little for those few who have managed to become aware awake persons, to do but camoflage their true nature behind a mask that everyone else is wearing. The mask of slaves begging for their own enslavement - Of brutal base thuggish nationalism."God bless America..uber alles". That's how fabulously sucessful the science of deception and control will become, has become - they think is now possible to condition people to beg for, and accept nothing less than, total brainwashing. They think they can condition us to think that anyone NOT wishing for such rigid indoctrination, is a threat - A "terrorist".---"

VOX 2002

posted 11-03-2002 04:21 AM            

really mech ?

I'm 36, retired...

never graduated high school...

worked my ass off because I had to and now own a 2640 sq ft home...

my bills are paid and I love life...

I'd say the American dream is alive and well...

the world YOU and everyone else lives in is of your own creation....

deal with it....

posted 11-03-2002 04:59 AM            

You are not in the same situation MOST people are so why should you give a f__ at what is happening? Go back to your cozy little cul de sac in the suburbs before it gets cold Seeker.

I can now see why you defend the status quo.

---"swearing...bodies full of holes with jewelwry...tattoos...questionable attire...the youth of today is very angry...and in dire need of *way*....---"

I hope they got up under your skin and your whole up-nosed, uptight neo conservtive principles.Mabey you need to be offended.

posted 11-04-2002 03:47 AM            

my former customers mail me often wanting something done...service is the key to prosperity...people with your attitude never get anywhere...that's why your so angry I guess...

btw, I care what is happening because folks who are not sucking on the tit of America help America...when folks get off the tit and start making money for themsevles it liberates them...and helps others too...

no dependecy...

no control...

your a vulgarian aren't you ?

posted 11-04-2002 05:19 AM            

The present money system creates power in the hands of the few in turn over the many which basically translates to exploitation for more power and profit. That is why this country is in deep trouble. It has to be reformed.

I don't want any part of the system if i can help it. Money is not my motivation. Iv'e been on both ends of the spectrum.

The fight is with those who are destroying this country, and turning it in a banana republic, totalitarian, militarized NEW WORLD ORDER. The corporate elite must be held accountable and cast out of society. For too long they have been controlling this country's sovereignty. Time for a wake-up call. If the government continues it's alliance with corporate power, there will be a civil war. Seattle was only the beginning.

Time to take this country back, hell, time to take THE WORLD back.

"-- I care what is happening because folks who are not sucking on the tit of America help America...when folks get off the tit and start making money for themsevles it liberates them...--"

OH...you mean folks like MICROSOFT? AOL TIME WARNER? BOEING? ADM? MONSANTO?
Yeah...its a shame that they suck so much taxpayer teet.They are robbing this country blind, and our LEADERS(sic) are letting them get away with it.

It's sooooeasy for them to manipulte you with planted stories in the press of "Welfare cheats"...while giant cororations get away with trillions in handouts and welfare. By world standards...the U.S. is the most miserly country in the industrialized world when it comes to social welfare...that is a fact. But I see Rush Limbaugh has you convinced otherwise.

You are either with THEM or you are with US.

Corporate power must be overthrown.

KILL YOUR TELEVISION SET.
http://www.indymedia.org

http://www.voxnyc.com

posted 11-04-2002 06:04 AM            

In the past year

* Unemployment has risen from 3.9% to 6.0%;
* 42 States will or expect to make Medicaid Cuts;
* 41.2 Million People in America Have NO Health Insurance;
* The number of Americans living in Poverty rises for first time in eight years;
* Overall economic growth at 1 percent, the lowest for any administration in 50 years;
* The value of Americans' stock holdings down $4.5 trillion and a 30 percent drop in the value of IRAs and 401(k) plans;
* A projected budget surplus of $5.6 trillion converted into a deficit of $400 billion;
* Bush Budget Will Spend the Entire Social Security Trust Fund Over Next Two Years;
* "Consumer Comfort" has dropped from +20 to -20 in one year;
* 49% of Americans Are "Dissatisfied With The Way Things Are Going in the United States at this time," up from 29%;
* Bush Budget Posted First Deficit Since 1997, Predicted Deficits Until 2005;
* 98% of Pension Funds expected to be Under-Funded;
* "Consumer Confidence" continues to drop;
* U.S. debt will have "Major International Consequences."

posted 11-04-2002 12:10 PM            

Who is more dangerous to public order...a crack addict or a WEALTH ADDICT?

posted 11-04-2002 12:23 PM            

I ocacasionally toke because one of the side effects of cannibis is blood sugar lowering, good for Diabetes. Only when I travel to Arizona, Nevada, or California.

posted 11-04-2002 11:57 PM            

I think I stated before gas, that mary jane should be legal (on the ballot in nevada tomorrow), time to stop the madness, and the phoney "drug war", the monies from it should be spent on education of children...

smart folks don't end up crack-heads...

didn't know that about the blood sugar...wow....have any good remedies for walking pneumonia ?

I've had this crap for 3 weeks and if not for my sheer *mean~ness* it would have won by now

mech, crack heads kill folks for their high...your own personal class war is yours...and a mythological one at that...IMHO...

but, I have had an interest in culture jammers...mainly why they do what they do...their purpose...what drives them...spent about a month over at this board, consider it a *gift*... http://pub68.ezboard.com/fkapitalizmkillsyoufrm1 after asking them many times what they would do when they got rid of the money hungry scourge they call "kapitalists"...they had no reply...no plan...no offering of somnething better...only the hope of some type of order forming out of chaos they create...they are just a bunch of angry un and over educated kids...with no answers only complaints..like you mech...

I do like helose though...a great mind on that woman !

that's about it...

cheerio "cough" pip pip

posted 11-05-2002 11:38 AM            

Coltsfoot

Sage

Echinacea

Golden Seal

Bee Pollen

Give up Milk for a little while (produces mucous which fuels pneumonia more)

Hot Soup - Hot pepper, ginger, garlic, chives, Parsley, soup base

Wheatgrass - If you can handle it

Culture jamming - besides my band Noble Gas, check out Negativland
http://www.negativland.com

posted 11-05-2002 02:53 PM            

JD here, formerly at Carnicom's board, but it appears he has by default killed the forum through advertisements which crash the browser.

There is relevance in all the posts here, on both sides of the virtual fence dividing us.
The oldest trick in the game to keep the small band of low-lifes at the top of the pyramid in control is to create discord and 'fear' at all the lower levels.

It is a time tested method, and lest the underlings discover this principle, then there is no hope of ever breaking free of the shackles which uniformly bind us all.

If black people, hispanic, Native Americans (of course - they knew before any of us), white folks, and all the rest ever target the fascist government as being the REAL source of the misery and hardship they face daily, then there will no doubt be a paradigm shift.
If everyone would simply refuse to pay the IRS, it would start immediately. But, who among us will be the first?

An interesting piece I discovered this AM speaks volumes of just who the real criminals are: http://www.almartinraw.com/column78.html

Worth the read.

posted 11-05-2002 10:45 PM            

thanks for the shopping list gas...coltsfoot is a difficult item to locate here, however I had everything to make the soup, quite the nostril clearer (housewide)...lol...thanx