posted 12-18-2002 11:12 AM            

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We are looking for a current article or update.
He is not a 'compadre' in the most constructive
sense of the term.
What we saw him post was more than enough
reason to draw unwanted and serious attention...
which is now the issue.

Thanks...please send along what you have
access to.

Kind regards,
Mary

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posted 12-18-2002 01:22 PM            

You are right..it seems the "space alien" issue is more important to them than this police-state new world order fascism that's growing and growing like a new disease.

I think this issue of free speech with VOX is going to be verrrry, very interesting as it develops. Good thing he has a couple of civil rights lawyers at his disposal. The guy definately has a pair for saying what he does.
http://www.voxnyc.com

I E-mailed Alex Jones and posted the news on various indymedia websites two days ago.
So far, Alex Jones hasn't e-mailed me back but mabey i'll write him again just in case he didn't get the message. I'm sure he would eat it up and broadcast it.

posted 12-18-2002 02:56 PM            

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har!

YES: shills!
YES: armchair activists!
YES: New Age Democrats!
(but right wing Nazis when we reported on the Clintons)
YES: can't rock the boat!
YES: can't draw attention!
YES: can't stand up for what's right!

NO: not fucking STUPID enough to BEG for Federal criminal
arrest by posting bullshit calls for the murder of a president.

YOU: are acting like a complete, total horse's ass.

YOU: go right ahead and post some calls for
the murder of a president and see what YOU get.

With fading regards in the Age of NO ACCOUNTABILITY,

Mary
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As you can see, Rense is taking the mush stance. They are like the Republicans turning on Trent Lott or Democrats voting for War or NAFTA. Their true colors come out, YELLOW.

posted 12-18-2002 03:04 PM            

The Constitution is the Law.

posted 12-18-2002 03:49 PM            

" It was cowardly for the terrorists to kill innocent civilians in the WTC but it is also cowardly to shoot missles at people from thousands of miles away and expect to not have any consequesnses."

BANNED!!!!

Luckily, somebody on Cable grasped the opportunity to give Bill Maher a new, UNCENSORED, late night show/forum so hopefully this time around, his new show will be even better.

The hell with the networks.

I'm thinking pirate satellite. And not DISH network either.

Rave clubs are being monitored or banned (I believe) is not so much for the drugs..but It's "dangerous" to have all those "Youths" having too much fun and quite possibly wake up out of their television stupor and started using those ALPHA waves in their brains instead of those BETA waves. They just might catch on to this wholely corporate/government owned/operated tyrranical facade.

posted 12-18-2002 04:46 PM            

I think TPTB are really afraid of change. That is why they are constntly bashing the consciousness of the 60's. Basically they are saying..."Don't ever try anything like that ever again...because it WORKED...a little too well."

Unfortunately, we all know what hppened after the Vietnam war was over...the majority of those people went back to sleep. I still give them props for what they got accomplished...just like my respect for Pete Seegers era labor activists. They got minimum wage passed...they got an 8 hour workday passed...they got the early civil rights laws passed.

It was NOT the benevolent bosses and politicians who wanted this.. it was those "whiners","red doper diaper babies" and "gripers" the neo conservatives like to call us nowadays.THOSE people ARE NOT conservatives...THEY are the "Commies". THEY are supporting all these unconstitutional laws. My generation(x) has it's problems. I think too many of us are too interested in "keeping up with the jones" and too tuned into disposable consumer pop culture. Students against sweat shops and anti-WTO activists are one positive force leading the new resitance.

Look at Alex Jones..he's not even 30 yet and he has the respect of thousands if not millions of shortwave and internet radio listeners both young and old. He has done A LOT to expose the NWO. I expect the resistance to get HUGE once Bush's Gulf War starts.

posted 12-19-2002 12:43 AM            

gas, rense and vox both are full of shit...I've commented on vox before...and NO ONE is saying the things that vox is saying...what does that tell you my friend ?

a mech PLEASE let's forget about bill maher...his show was a joke 4 libs counting him against one conservative...yep that's fair...ummm...hummm...

posted 12-19-2002 01:45 AM            

That's not very nice Bro and HOW are they F.O.S. as you say? Please watch the language too? There IS a rumpus room.

"====NO ONE is saying the things that vox is saying...==="

Really..could have fooled me. He is reporting the same lies and attrocities by our government and corporations as most other ALT sites are. As far as his BUSH comments are concerned..he was making a statement that it's okay for Bush to KILL anyone that to HIM is considered a terrorist but BUSH himself can't be held accountable for HIS terrorism and passing all these unconstitutional laws. That's BS.

"===mech PLEASE let's forget about bill maher...his show was a joke 4 libs counting him against one conservative...yep that's fair...ummm...hummm...====="

I wonder if you would feel the same if RUSH LIMBAUGH got banned.

Funny...you E-mailed me a while back stating you hate anyone getting censored or banned...I guess that only applies to those close matching your beliefs huh bubba?

" There ought to be limits to freedom "

posted 12-19-2002 02:40 AM            

vox is spouting hateful stuff...almost nazi type rants...and still around...in these days of no tolerance for such destructive and potentially dangerous written text...red flag chief...

and list (Briefly) these unconstitutional laws please...

maher sux...a fence sitter...I have more respect for hillary clintoon than that toad...

sheesh......and I do dislike seeing folks being banned anywhere unless they are just trolls...starting...shit...and that was a "PM" private message used exclusively here at ctc...I don't converse with the proletariat via my mail account...standards must be maintained you know...sorry...

posted 12-19-2002 02:51 AM            

There is no heirarchy/seniority BS here sorry.. you know what you can do with that concept.

1> USA Patriot Act.....UNCONSTITUTIONAL
2> HR. 5710...UNCONSTITUTIONAL
3> Establishment of the TIA OFFICE/DARPA...UNCONSTITUTIONAL

...that's just for starters

posted 12-19-2002 07:52 PM            

VOX's response 9:00PM EST

I will die standing and fighting, rather then cower under this fascist threat to all of humanity. First of all I need to express a HUGE amount of gratitude to the folks who were the first responders. Amy Goodman from Democracy Now was the absolute first responder to my and all of mankind's predicament. Her's is a beacon of liberty - thank you. Also valis from memes.org and liberty think - I owe you a big one - much thanks. I will update this thread in less than 1 hour because the Internet cafe that I am at is closing. Back in 1 hour to finish my thank you's and to proceed to formulate a response to these fascists. 1 hour
vox
http://www.voxnyc.com

Too bad huh Seeker!

posted 12-19-2002 10:04 PM            

I feel like we're watching a movie like "The Net", or "Hacker", or "Max Headroom"?????

I started thinking about how the Bones boys are skewering Trent Lott, not because of so-called racsist remarks, but because he is an old school conservative, and he's said that this government is getting too large. Many conservatives I know agree with me.

Which brings me to the next point by Seeker. I agree that Rense is kind of goofy, I can't agree on Vox being hateful. To use the same logic Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh must be vitrialic and hateful too. There are idiots on both the left and right. Hateful people that are on both liberal and conservative sides. There are decent people on both sides, too. And there are people that take the most logical stance, either liberal or conservative, on a particular issue.

posted 12-19-2002 10:07 PM            

The NWO

posted 12-20-2002 12:41 AM            

FULL TEXT:

Simply have no fear - and they will fall
This is the key

First of all I need to express a HUGE amount of gratitude to the folks who were the first responders. Amy Goodman from Democracy Now was the absolute first responder to my and all of mankind's predicament. Her's is a beacon of liberty - thank you. Also valis from memes.org and liberty think - I owe you a big one - much thanks. And to lightscion who mirrored the front page - thank you for your effort. Also many other sites and concerned people from the Democratic underground and all the many Indymedias who covered this turn of events. Also I must thank my extensive network of friends and family who have been a beautiful support network during this whole affair. And last but not least I would like to thank those on the "INSIDE" for tipping me off and helping me out - Not all of these guys are bad - there is DEEP division among their ranks, and that is very encouraging and gratifying to know. HALF OF THOSE INVOLVED IN THE RAID WERE ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED ABOUT BEING FORCED INTO TO DOING BUSHES DIRTY POLITICAL OPPRESSION - HALF.

Also I think Bush and his cabal of cowardly retarded fascists owe a huge thanks to the many pigs and also some of the so called activists who through their (in)activism and non response have proven to be able foot soldiers in the dark force's push to crush the spirit of humankind. The Fascists thank you.

And now lets talk about what this whole thing is about - one word - fear.

Fear is the ONLY thing they have. They have nothing else - nothing. They have no ideas, no policies, no solutions - just fear. Their principle purpose of existence now is "CONTROL THROUGH FEAR,"

But I am not afraid.

I feel like a lion in a den of pigs.

If we just address that fear these pigs are finished.
And so that is why these fascists brought in the building department when they raided my home and threatened my tenants with eviction and told that I would be getting fines. They are mounting a frontal assualt on me financially. Now how can they explain if I was such a threat to that lying filth called Bush, why notify the building department??? Certainly if the presidents life was in danger wouldn't they be concerned that by bringing the building department in on it they risk blowing the whole raid?? Think about it, folks.

So what does this mean?
It means only one thing - that the ONLY reason for the NAZI "Homeland Security" and their new break and enter policy is to crush and intimidate anyone who opposes Bush and his NWO agenda.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT HOMELAND SECURITY - THIS IS ABOUT TOTAL CONTROL THROUGH THE APPLICATION OF FEAR - MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT.

But they are nothing. They will attack me with everything they have. And so I am now preparing, meeting with lawyers and accountants in anticipation of what will almost assuredly be a barrage of attacks and audits and anything else they can throw at me.

Also I will be inviting a friendly media source on to my house and property to conduct a complete and thorough search and audit of the premisis to assure that they don't return and suddenly "DISCOVER" some guns or bags of cocaine, or Al Queda manuals or some other such pile of dirty shit that they can dish out.

They left my home with the alarm system unarmed and the basement door wide open - it was just discovered tonight. All the interior doors which are always locked were picked and opened and locks on my personal trunks were broken and the contents were strewn about.

Neighbors were dutifully instilled with fear and ordered to contact authorities upon seeing or hearing from me. So they are turning neighbor against neighbor, human against human all because they think they master the art of FEAR.

But that is only because I have not yet had a chance to tell my version of what this is really all about. I will speak to all of my neighbors soon. And set the record straight. As soon as I get to someone, five minutes later they are back on my side and cooperate with ME and NOT the authorities. AND THAT IS THE POWER OF TRUTH AND THAT IS THE STRENGTH OF THE LIGHT.

And all it takes is FEARLESSNESS. IT IS SO SIMPLE. IT IS SO EASY.

Just know them for what they really are and they become powerless.

Furthermore, I will debate any or all of these cowards any time anywhere and I will beat ALL of them. So let me clarify that. If they were not cowards let them schedule a news segment on a major TV outlet so we can let the American people decide for themselves who they believe. I will bet my house that in one hour I can wake the American people up and expose these cowards for they really are. 1 hour. Any or all of them against one man. Anytime anywhere. You should see me in a power suit with a power tie and my long hair, I'll destroy them.

But you know what? They are such cowards that THEY WOULD NEVER DO IT. Now Isn't that interesting, if I am a bad American let them debate me so that they can show the whole world what a loony "Conspiracy theorist" is all about. No, They will not debate me because they are just, hot air, paper tigers, a house of cards, and just awareness of this fact alone can have their whole house of cards come tumbling down. This is reality. I promise you they are as scared and cowardly as they are trying to get us to believe that we are.

They are DESTROYING THE AMERICAN EMPIRE FOR EVER AND EVER. If you, like myself, love what this country is supposed to stand for, stand the fuck up and get in their face.

GET IN THEIR FACE.

For example if suddenly EVERYONE OF THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO READ THIS SITE EVERY DAY WENT TO THEIR LOCAL INTERNET CAFE OR BETTER YET IF THEY ARE FEARLESS AND PREPARED, FROM THEIR HOME, AUTHORED SIMILAR EXPOSES OF BUSHES "CLOSED LOGICAL LOOP" WHICH STATES THAT BY HIS OWN POLICY HE EXPOSES HIMSELF TO A STREAM OF LOGIC WHICH CLOSES IN ON IT'S SELF AND LEADS TO AN ORDER OF SELF ANNIALATION, THEN TELL ME WHAT CAN THEY DO THEN??? DO YOU THINK THEY EVEN HAVE THE MANPOWER TO SUDDENLY HAVE TO SEND GOON SQUADS TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN HOUSHOLDS??

SO PEOPLE THE TIME IS NOW TO FIGHT BACK, OVERLOAD THEIR FASCISTIC SYSTEM. DO IT LEAGALLY SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY AMMUNITION.

All Bush has to do to quiet us down us is to simply OBEY THE CONSTITUTION - NOW.

THAT'S WHAT IS IS THERE FOR - TO PROTECT US FROM LYING FILTH LIKE BUSH AND HIS CABAL OF LIARS AND WAR PROFITEERERS.

Stand up and fight these cowardly war profiteerers - FEARLESSLY
Fight Back
Resist
Every day and every way you can.

Time to move, I'll update this soon.

posted 12-20-2002 02:04 AM            

it reads like nsa sux has found a new job...in other words for the fortunate folks not familiar with nsa sux....a rather large load of bullshit....

c'mon

posted 12-20-2002 02:09 AM            

VOX has been a regular reporter/contributer to indymedia.org for years.He now has his own website, big deal.

posted 12-20-2002 02:20 AM            

it's called truth....

I don't believe anything man puts forth until proven...

that's called standards....

the pursuit of the two leads to character, wisdom and peace...

Ja~rastafari

posted 12-20-2002 02:55 AM            

clear thinking never came from anger or hate...

your mind is too closed for rational discussion...

have you tried the carny forum ?

posted 01-07-2003 08:35 PM            

did you ever meet defender ?

and I'm sure now that you were dropped...from a high distance...

how's vox, still on the run ? fbi still wrecking it's pity~full paranoid life ?