posted 03-05-2003 06:20 PM            

Angry Hill Republicans say Bush is screwing his own party
By CHB Staff
Feb 28, 2003, 05:48
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_1846.shtml

President George W. Bush has an interesting political strategy for why his domestic agenda may fail.

Blame the Republicans.

Bush blames the GOP-controlled Congress for underfunding programs to guard against terrorism. saying the Hill "did not respond to the $3.5 billion we asked for -- they not only reduced the budget that we asked for, they earmarked a lot of the money" for other unrelated programs.

"That was an incredibly stupid thing for the White House to do," a senior House GOP aide complained Thursday.

Democrats agree but they don't plan to ignore the gift from the President and will use Bush's remarks for political ads in 2004.

By accusing House and Senate Republicans of failing to protect the homeland, the president "is saying, in effect, Republicans shortchanged homeland security," says a gleeful Minority Whip Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.).

Hoyer read the President's remarks and told his staff, "start working on developing this for the campaign."

But funding for Homeland Security is not the only place where the President has problems with his party colleagues on the Hill. The White House is sending Cabinet officials out to districts of GOP lawmakers who have doubts about his $695 billion tax cut plan. Their mission: drum up public support.

Republicans strategists say Bush is undercutting congressional allies like Sens. George V. Voinovich (R-Ohio) and Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), who face tough reelection campaigns in 2004.

"I'm starting to wonder if Bush knows how politics works in this town," says political scientiest George Harleigh. "It's one thing to go into a Democratic Senator or Congressman's district and undercut them with voters but doing it with members of your own party is suicide."

Commerce Secretary Donald L. Evans, Treasury Secretary John W. Snow and other officials will visit several states with Republican Senate and House members to promote the tax cut plan.

Conservative Republicans say Bush, who is expected to demand more than $100 billion this year for a war in Iraq, will drive deficits beyond $400 billion and give Democrats a good campaign issue next year.

Congressional Republicans say they now know Bush will undercut them if it serves his best political interest. In his speech to the governors, Bush said he was "disappointed" that Congress did not provide the $3.5 billion he requested a year ago for counterterrorism programs.

"If the president wanted the money, he should have asked for it. He never did," a senior House GOP leadership aide said Thursday. "I wonder if he remembers which party controls Congress."

Democrats wasted no time in using Bush's remarks to hammer Republicans for spending too little on homeland defense.

"Incredibly, the president is now blaming others for the budget he himself insisted on," said Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.).

Democrats said they were introducing a bill to provide $5 billion more for emergency response preparedness -- the same package that Republicans, at White House insistence, refused to add to the omnibus spending bill enacted earlier this year.

"No more blaming others, no more delay," Daschle said.

One Capitol Hill source said House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert, already angry at Bush's remarks, lost his temper when a staffer suggested he go public with his feeling about what Bush said.

posted 03-06-2003 03:02 AM            

dasshole knows all about stall and delay...it took a replublican take over of the senate to get an appropriations bill passed...

"What do you want me to do, call the President a liar? George Bush may screw his party. I don't!" Hastert is reported to have said.

posted 03-06-2003 03:59 AM            

And I think daschle is a dip$#!+,
but now even REPUBLICANS are turning their backs on him...don't you see that?

By the way...since when did FACTS become tabloid journalism?

Hopeless.

posted 03-06-2003 03:26 PM            

well there's something we agree on...and heza dasshole way past a dipshit...

I don't see anyone turning their back on Bush, republicans first and foremost are idividualists...excercising rights and conscience is a God given right...

I'm not pro-war as a solution to everything, but am pro this one the phrase "evil prospers while good men stand by and do nothing" applies here in spades...don't you see that ?

and even some repubs have the option to be wrong occasionally....

posted 03-07-2003 12:52 PM            

and yes all the pinko's are still out there...subverting...

point one...

the protestors are not telling saddam to disarm they are insulting bush,republicans and conservatives...not to mention our flag country and people...

I wonder who they would blame if a dirty bomb or suicide bomber took out a bunch of them in a march...

posted 03-07-2003 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
david never left...you can feel his cold heart dwelling in the darkness if you concentrate gas....

and yes all the pinko's are still out there...subverting...

point one...

the protestors are not telling saddam to disarm they are insulting bush,republicans and conservatives...not to mention our flag country and people...

I wonder who they would blame if a dirty bomb or suicide bomber took out a bunch of them in a march...

don't answer that...

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Sorry, Seek, I'll answer anyway. The Republicans, Right wing Democrats, and Far-Right Conservatives are beginning to sound like Inquisitors. Burn and jail anyone who doesn't believe in THEIR view of God and country. Maybe we should just carve up countries and have liberals in one place, conservatives in another, and sensible people in the other. Bush looked like a stuttering fool last night, and couldn't answer any questions directly.

The flag represents the country, which is actually the people of the country, not the government. Since it's 50/50 in America right now on Pro vs Anti War, we are not going to convince each other we're right. Hard right conservatives like to point guns at people and sign draconian laws to make the other side obey. Is that what it will come to?

If a bomb went off in a protest, I would have to blame CIA or homebrewed terrorists, Or CIA trained or funded terrorists and dictators like Hussein, Bin Laden, Noreiga (oh well he's in jail), Pinochet, or Suharto.

posted 03-07-2003 01:37 PM            

the country is split...and it worries me...

If a bomb went off in a protest, I would have to blame CIA or homebrewed terrorists, Or CIA trained or funded terrorists and dictators like Hussein, Bin Laden, Noreiga (oh well he's in jail), Pinochet, or Suharto.

you distrust our government before you distrust foreign nationals hell-bent on yours and my distruction...

read some islamic rags dude...

finally from a liberal whom I respect a great deal alan colmes...check this out !
http://64.224.165.166/politicalcompass/

take the test and see where you are

"Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -0.15"

I'm a left leaning libertarian !!

helluva deal

posted 03-07-2003 02:23 PM            

I come right in line with Ghandi.

I trust neither our government nor Hussein nor for that matter any organization or individual who spouts the name of God for destruction and financial gains.

posted 03-07-2003 02:34 PM            

plenty of logic gas...when you attack the messenger instead of the message.

posted 03-07-2003 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
I'm right inline with myself...which is where I should be...

plenty of logic gas...when you attack the messenger instead of the message.

here, say one of your neighbors comes over every morning and craps in you front yard...does it take you 12 years and 17 UN resolutions to stop him ?

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You're still closer to Ghandi than Hitler. Just admit it. It's that cannabis thing that throws you into the libertarian column. Well, better than the Fifth Column.

This messenger (Bush) is foaming at the mouth and desparate. I'm not falling for his "protectorate" stance. He is lying through his teeth. Look at the shifting, beady eyes. Lying, Lying, Lying.

As far as the crap thing goes, if he was a vegetarian, I'd probably use the crap in my garden.

posted 03-07-2003 03:26 PM            

probably a few other questions too there gas...

not this one :

"Social workers waste their time trying to rehabilitate those who are simply born bad."

I agree

and this one:

"In criminal justice, punishment is more important than rehabilitation."

solves the unemployment problem:

"Those who are able to work and do not should not expect to eat."

this one is very important and a reason for todays troubles :

"The most important lesson for all children is discipline and respect for authority."

I strongly disagreed with this one...everyone should get the same care...

"Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care and education."

posted 03-07-2003 04:12 PM            

Funny, I think some people are born bad too, and no amount of rehab will cure them.

posted 03-07-2003 04:23 PM            

think I'll change my message below my avatar to "left leaning libertarian"

posted 03-07-2003 06:28 PM            

I consider myself 100% CONSTITUTIONALIST.

posted 03-07-2003 06:31 PM            

Pushing nicely to the right with a surprising authoritarian bent. Hmmmm thought I'd flush myself out as more libertarian than that, especially since I voted as expected on the weed question.

Seeker, did Alan Colmes help write this or just recommend it? He must have had some help from the looks of the European spelling of globalization in the first question.

Now about the questions I had a problem with more than a few. In many queations the perimeter is too absolute or presumptive to really give an honest answer. but here is a sample of my dilema.

quote:

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If globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

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I don't think globalization could or would serve either individuals or commerce, only tyranny.

quote:

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Schools pay too much attention to the arts and not enough towards their real function - equipping the future generation to find jobs.

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What about educating them in critical thinking, deductive reasoning, mathematics, science, spelling, reading and grammar. Then they will be equipped to CREATE jobs!

quote:

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The most important lesson for all children is discipline and respect for authority.

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Why couple these? Discipline especially self discipline, then they will respect themselves enough to question authority.

quote:

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What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.

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“Always” not much in this world is always now is it.

All and all an interesting link, it speaks volumes to me in the way it is worded.

posted 03-07-2003 09:15 PM            

schools here don't even do art until later grades and music is once a week...so that question is irrelevant here...

len horowitz (dentist) said in 95' that the biggest trouble with parents is that the child acts up and they (parents) say "stop it or I'm going to bust you" and they never do...children figure this out and thus the *authority* is gradually erroded...

I believe this to be very true...

the poll was a UK deal from what I can tell...and skewd towards a liberal slant...but still interesting...to bad mech's a chicken to try it....

a chicken constitutionalist BOK !!! BOK!!!!

odd your right of me on authority kook...

must be the glen beck show

just have a few minutes...thats all I can offer...

posted 03-07-2003 09:35 PM            

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len horowitz (dentist) said in 95' that the biggest trouble with parents is that the child acts up and they (parents) say "stop it or I'm going to bust you" and they never do...children figure this out and thus the *authority* is gradually erroded...

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posted 03-07-2003 10:27 PM            

But I'm the one with the cold heart.

David is against the taking away of our rights and liberties, seeker is all for the taking away of rights and the jailing of those that speak their mind, a constitutional right.
But again, I'm the one with the cold heart.

posted 03-08-2003 01:20 AM            

exactly kook...the U.S is the proverbial paddle in this case and saddam's gettin' a spankin' and the world is watching...I say the coming war will shut down terrorism by proxy and rogue states will become rather compliant when dealing with the U.S....(realizing what authority can do)

the UN has no authority it is a paper tiger...and another reason the NWO will never get legs...too many different people...to many different politics...people (countries) can never agree...they can only agree to disagree...

much like this board...we have the yea's and nay's...and the only positive either side gets is an occasional agreement on smaller issues....

of which I can deal