posted 04-03-2003 03:18 AM            

explain what you understand as profiling ?

but this is curious...the copy and paste chat...emfx13 lists profiled people
emfx one of them and as written below the words "myself"....is emfx13 not emfx ?

Emfx13: Dangerous...Yes, we are being profiled, especially Mech, David, emfx, halva, billder., and myself

when you post a link or picture from another site it leaves a trail of bread crumbs
right back to where you took the link or pic...some people can live with this...others throw
their machine in the pool...

it's your choice

posted 04-03-2003 11:25 PM            

Eddie ~ could the guy who sent the free stuff, and is spreading hate mail, be none other than Swamp Gas/Mike Lutgen?

Why yes it is!!

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(This next post is absolutely TRUE! It's refering to the Chemtrail Central Forum at this URL: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true
I'm a member there and it's become overrun with debunksters trying to beat down information on CHEMTRAILS!
He's right, it's time to ABANDON THAT INFESTED SHIP!)


Hi all,
These may seem a little redundant to some I've already contacted, but what the hell, I like to type.

There more spooks on CTC now than in the Addam's Family's house. As you all know, there are more debunkers than flies on poop. Forgive the analogy, but that's the level they function at. It is impossible to have any intelligent exchanges anymore, and the shear number of them, makes it annoying and dangerous!

Dangerous...Yes, we are being profiled, especially Mech, David, emfx, halva, billder., and myself.

Now Lulu, this is a real sorrowful individual. She personally emails me at home one night. She says one of birds died (a cockatiel), she's a vegetarian (as myself), loves techno progressive space music (which I do and write), and simply loves my music. I felt sorry for her. Thanks to David, he pointed out an idiosyncrasy that I had missed. So I searched on the web for info on her. Well, she posts at Maverick's, a debunker website. It's a virtual rogue's gallery of hatred, Seeker (Lord Vader 33), Bonehead, cydoniaquest, Duncan Kunz, and Billy Joe McAllister,

Lulu posts a whole section on killing animals, cooking birds, skinning, etc. It's not for me to be judgmental on carnivore vs vegetarian, I can ignore that. What really got me was, SHE LIED. She's no vegetarian, and brings these spooks over to CTC, as I saw an invite by her. Who knows about her musical tastes or if she has birds? I feel she;s trying the "Good Cop" approach on me. Seeker and FastWalker ad nauseum, are the "Bad Cops".

So it's my reccomndation to get the hell off there, and go over to Chem11. Everyone seems more polite, and you can actually exchange information, rather than warding off a bunch of psychos. We're all just too helpful and caring people to put up with that, and I don't want Tom's boy's knockin..knock...knockin'

Glad to make your friendship,
xxxx and xxxx xxxxxx
Swampgas and Thetaloops
xxx xxxxxx Ave
Jersey City, NJ 07305
201-xxx-xxxx

I'm also cranking up the short Wave and CB, and letting you know on that.

Chem11 Megasprayer http://chem11.proboards2.com/

She you all there!!!!!!!!!!! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/3568

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Swamp Gas thinks that since I have been cooking and serving meat as part of the culinary course requirements at OUC, I am a LIAR and not a vegetarian AT ALL, among other things.

I think that Swamp Gas has found a fitting new home over at Larry Lawsons', and perhaps a good thing that he won't be posting over here At Thermit's anymore, especially posting his gay porn pictures.

posted 04-04-2003 10:28 AM            

These psycho CIA goons are taking over EVERYTHING these days all with daddy Bush in charge! Jeez, look at this response I got from somebody:

Larry what the heck is going on, who sent this??
These people are insane!!
I'm sure you will get a bunch of folks forwarding this to you; Don't take the time to
reply to me, I'm sure you will be sending a response to the newslist.

Thanks, take care

----- Original Message -----
From: Defense Security Intelligence Special Access Network
To: xnth@~.binary
Cc: electronicallyinterceptedcommunications@dsispecialaccess.net
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:57 AM
Subject: Larry Lawson's Theory that AONN is Somehow Aligned with the Forces of Darkness -- AONN Koch Hexagram
Defense Security Intelligence Special Access Network

A man who goes by the name of 'Larry Lawson' and his friends, manage a popular online conspiracy forum known as LLNews and believe that AONN/U.S. DSIN is in some way connected to the dark side of the universe...

DSI encourages anyone who might have inside details and intimate knowledge of the LLNews forum to forward that information to our CI office... http://www.dsispecialaccess.net/blackchamberjobs.html

(Jeez! Check out this website people....)

And the DSI Network has increased total global surveillance while a significant number of concerned parties have been forwarding the following transcript to our main hub...


Project GREEN BIRD is absolutely UNHOLY - Behold:
Iblîs (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all. http://www.disinfo.com/forums/read.php?f=3&i=24576&t=24568
It has long been known that some urban youth are able to join the Armed Forces, however, due to mass impoverishment and extremely dire circumstances in many sectors of the U.S., a great number of youth are already disenfranchised by the time they are old enough to even try to qualify to join military services. Controversial police fabricated and provoked "criminal" records bar the truly best and brightest of applicants. So rather than ally with the majority side of "law" enforcement that only attempts to enter what so-called "peace" officers consider to be simple "numbers" into a system that makes no logical sense anyway, DSIN takes at-risk, human resources off the streets and provides them with world-class training and civic endeavor. This is a revolution in terms of sociology, behavioral science and the human condition as a whole. DSIN has stunned the world scientific community.
(Folks this is mind boggling information here. This material as far-out as it appears actually is in sync with movie propaganda like "Triple X" starring Vin Diesel. I suggest that there's too much here for it to be immediately be discounted as off base.)

The United States Defense Security Intelligence Network (DSIN) is part of a behavioral science project light years beyond MKULTRA and Project Moonstruck. The goal of the program as in fiction has been to create the ultimate human spy capability. Not all subjects involved are consciously aware that they have been programmed as a result of a series of Cold War and pre-9/11 experiments. The White House will neither confirm nor deny any knowledge of any such program. However this may soon change, as one does have an inclination on both sides of the coin. Now that the information has leaked the National Security Council may soon scramble to deny the program -- or -- this is where it gets tricky -- perhaps for the purpose of a force multiplier effect, the military might decide to declare publicly that it cherishes its megalithic brainchild of the eon. Naturally, these questions are of the greatest imperative to U.S. national security and will determine whether we win or lose the undeclared World War III.

Advanced U.S. National-to-International Security Protocol, Counter-Intelligence (CI) Systems
& Counter-Terrorism (CT) DSIN (Defense Security Intelligence Network) http://www.dsispecialaccess.net/
AONN DSI is a 24-hour data exchange system of which the scope of the information is as William Webster indicated. His words were: “…The scope of this information includes virtually every kind of information-information from all parts of the world-economic, political, military, scientific, information about people, places, and events; events that have happened and might happen-wars, coups, terrorist acts, crop failures, elections, famine, drug trafficking, and natural disasters…”DSIN was created out of necessity just as the CIA was. Under Public Law, DSIN has the unalienable right to protect itself. The Declaration of Independence is the cornerstone of the U.S. American system of government and it is the Declaration of Independence that outlines our obligation to abolish unjust government factions despite the length of time that they have been in power. DSIN is a government defense security intelligence service made by government for the government. Government personnel both current and retired came together to create AONN DSIN for the government.
Description of the Seal of the Network –

(Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the same symbol used by the Empire in the "Star Wars" series??? Note its similarity to the occultic HEXagram. In fact, smaller hexagrams can be seen in the outer rim of this image.)
Parapsychology is the study of paranormal and supernatural phenomena. Spy Hunting/ HUMINT (Human Intelligence), the highly specialized field of tracking human beings who are engaged in espionage, is both an Art and a Science. These obviously have been unknown areas of knowledge to many of the uninitiated (for a majority of the world these fields are still completely misunderstood) who often have difficulties focusing on even the publicly and well-known, traditional branches of knowledge, sub-branches and respective fields of study. Some of these specialized branches of knowledge (BOKs), sub-branches (also known as classes, sub-classes, objects and other such terms, depending on the system(s) of data) are themselves classified and secret. Discovered are BOKs of which the names of such are unknown to more than ninety-nine percent of the world population. The less than one percent that has knowledge of these branches of knowledge – is the world of Intelligence. We, at DSIN, think way outside the box.

Even more, the most shocking discovery of it all, is that the Bourne Identity played by Matt Damon is real. Works such as A Long Kiss Goodnight with the housewife who lost her memory and doesn't know that she is a top secret agent codename: Charlie Baltimore, On Deadly Ground with Steven Seagal, Triple X (XXX) with Vin Diesel, Soldier and Escape from NewYork/L.A. with Kurt Russell, Impostor with Gary Sinise, La Femme Nikita with Petra Wilson and director Robert Harmon's Level 9, ...are real. 1983's War Games with Mathew Broderick has nothing on the next quotient of DSIN top U.S. hacker recruit. Internet online chat groups around the world scrambled to post a DSIN message that was originally sent by DSIN to a well known terrorist website network, in response to an ongoing information warfare campaign. The DSIN official's message read:
(I just found this part after typing the above about "Triple X." In "A Long Kiss Goodnight" actress Gina Davis is told that the first WTC attack was ALLOWED so the FEDs could get more money for 'terrorism.' Again putting it RIGHT-IN-YOUR-FACE.)

Could it be that an intelligence other than our own societal, collective mind, syncs with the sphere of humans and communicates ideas to us through such mediums as our widespread systems of human communications e.g., movies, the books we believe we ourselves author and other multimedia? Are the movies that manifest in our world really messages and warnings from another intelligence among us? I think so. We are all nodes and/or vessels if you will, and for whatever reasons, information is received by us from somewhere else in spacetime. At times, the information is from God, naturally, but not always. There is something else here with us, on Earth, which doesn't even touch upon what else is in the universes beyond our atmosphere in outer space as well as inner space.
(OK, here's the REAL DISINFORMATION in this crap! The movie ideas are paid for by CIA and other spook groups. The subtle LIE this garbage is trying to get you to BELIEVE in is a more powerful intelligence than 'a christian god' using thier words. This is very interesting people. DISCERN out the garbage here. Like Barbie Hartwell and other spooks who try to convince you they're 'reformed', this article tries to 'hook' you with PARTIAL truth and mystery only to throw you some spiritual LIES! PSYOPS! It goes on to brag about North Korea and others could be dealt serious blows by these occultists. If this is the case, why hasn't this been done with Iraq? If they say they're holding back, that's a pretty poor excuse to sacrifice our kids over eh? This is a mixed bag of LIES here folks. But I find what they're trying to 'sell' is very interesting. AND EVIL!)

From: "Larry Lawson"

Subject: Re: Black Seal of Solomon
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:38:28 -0500

Any information regarding LLNews and its associates and/or sponsors would be greatly appreciated.

...You are receiving this communication because in the past our entities have exchanged data directly and/ or indirectly. Our Network appreciates your interest in security matters affecting the collective international community.

The Network does not maintain an Internet mass-mailing list and if you do not wish to receive future correspondence, please notify us regarding your request by simply indicating in the subject line of your message to "Unsubscribe." We will then remove your contact information from our email database.

To be kept abreast of Network literature and up-to-the-minute global reports, please contact our administration via any of the optional channels that we have provided. Thank you.

Sincerely,

DSIN Public Affairs

(So I email them back and asked them what they wanted to know.

So now they know that I know and you know now too.)

posted 04-04-2003 11:43 AM            

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I think that Swamp Gas has found a fitting new home over at Larry Lawsons', and perhaps a good thing that he won't be posting over here At Thermit's anymore, especially posting his gay porn pictures

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Oh gee, imagine that, thermit edited lulus post to save her ass.

posted 04-04-2003 12:05 PM            

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Oh gee, imagine that, thermit edited lulus post to save her ass.

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posted 04-04-2003 12:22 PM            

It is very plain what she is up to. Disrupt the forums, remove those she does not like and generally run this once excellent site right into the ground with her nazi tactics.
And now she lies about what Swamp posted,{porn) and apparenty is going to get away with it, once again.

posted 04-04-2003 12:35 PM            

and he removed it after I complained about it...

mech even thought it was disgusting...

from the start your philosophy has been divide and disrupt....discussion does not seem to be a word in *your* vocabulary...dervid....or gasbags for that matter...

clearly you want a set of rules for you and a different set for everyone else...

gasbag ran out of argument early in the game so he resulted to vicious personal attacks...much like what you have been doing the last couple of years...

disgusting

posted 04-04-2003 01:31 PM            

Disgusting is right seeker, what a POS! Gas Bag is no better, the so-called peace lover is really a hate-filled liar. Good riddance Gas Bag, maybe David will be joining you soon? Hope so!

>>Lulu you are a damn liar, Swamp did not 'post' any gay porn.<<

Oh yes he did you POS.

posted 04-04-2003 02:34 PM            

I was wondering why I was getting all these hits from a broken Yahoo URL, though. I wouldn't worry too much about the Frat-Boy 007 Wannabe Intelligence Network, Larry...

DSIS agents show off their covert surveillance sKilZ outside my old lovenest in Seattle. After this they're going to a 'kegger'.

posted 04-04-2003 03:54 PM            

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Hey maybe David and Gas Bag get together and wank off to gay porn together ya think?

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What a female dog you are lulu.

Ban Swamp then make these comments about us. Sick lulu, you are sick to the core of your unholy black soul.
And thermit still allows you to claim the title of moderator.
You want to ban me too? What for, standing up to you and your slez tactics?
Swam and I have broken no more forum rules than you yourself have lulu, be fair, ban yourself.
Don't bother me seeker, you are just lulus lap dog sniff'n and wish'n.

posted 04-04-2003 06:29 PM            

Billy Joe McAllister

Swamp Gas

posted 04-04-2003 08:18 PM            

FOR THE BANNING RECORD :

alpha-theta / unknown to me

Billy Joe McAllister / kook banned him

Swamp Gas is banned ?

I know theta was a troll and re-register like 40 times, spammed this board...

billy joe got banned for posting a "spoof" chemtrail picture from art bell's website...

gasbag is banned...I thought he just ran away

I notice no one is shedding a tear over jay reynolds being banned...or deb...or bonehead...or topgun...and of course my sentimental favorite...elvislives...alias "tick boy"...

I'd like to see gasbag come back and david get banned or run away...at least gasbag has something to offer...

if I were moderating I'd ban everyone except mech and I....mainly because the rest of you get in the way !

nobody asked but I'll say it anyway david shut up...and everyone else lighten up...lifes way to short....

posted 04-04-2003 08:27 PM            

This is the complete list of all those banned this year. I don't have the details on all of these, but many were just here to cause trouble...

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To_Megatherion
NotAsNaiveAsYou
X marks the spot
Delicious
Negative
Im back again
me2
Otavaleph
B urn
Billy Joe McAllister
ex-pilot
Common_Sense
ROFLMAO

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posted 04-04-2003 09:08 PM            

He said his password isn't working.

Makes me wonder.

Hmmmmmmmm..

posted 04-04-2003 09:28 PM            

I have another question concerning ethics.
Considering the disdain between members of Chemtrail Central and Mav's board do you condone the exchange of isp id's between Lulu and Mav?
Do you feel this practice is necessary for
the safety of this board and justifies the curiosity of said individuals?

Maybe I'm wrong but I feel this is a violation of trust and shows a lack of integrity on the part of the moderator.
What's the scoop?

btw - I've never been to another forum where isp id's were openly discussed and shared by moderators from another board.

posted 04-04-2003 10:21 PM            

Your comments are more that of a small girl child in the school yard...

Molliani, I think the practice of exchanging information between mods of different boards sucks.

posted 04-05-2003 01:35 AM            

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billy joe got banned for posting a "spoof" chemtrail picture from art bell's website...

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BJM was banned for trolling, he was warned repeatedly but couldn't seem to help himself.

IMO, there is no excuse for publishing anyones name, ip or anyother private info here.

It was my understanding that Mav gav IP info to cross reference on a banned poster here that was sneaking in under a new name to Lulu not the other way around. But I could be wrong about this. I barely have time to keep up over here let alone lurk around debunkerama haunts.

posted 04-05-2003 03:18 AM            

all which must have happened within the span of a week or so...I was offline at the time and upon returning I read the thread which he posted that pic and then he was gone...

kooks recollection of events regarding ip information was how I remember it...

trolls have to be delt with...

all I can say is...if david spent as much time and energy trying to be an *activist* as he claims to be, as he does trying to start a witch hunt every month or so for the last couple of years...he might actually get somewhere in life.....

posted 04-05-2003 08:58 AM            

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as he does trying to start a witch hunt every month or so

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