posted 04-29-2003 01:13 PM            

Gawd Damnit - i finally see another post that is saying what I have been posting about the testing done in the 1950's, and we get sidetracked by PHX. Even now, I am writing that instead of backing up the first post. Gawwd Darnit anyway.
Please stop that fkr.

Anyway, YES, there can be no doubt, the U.S. Army developed and tested these agents. In partnership with Britain, and to some degree Canada where the bulk of the testing was done becasue we have the big open spaces. Its not that they wanted to harm Americans, its just necessary for the development of the agents. So they harmed mostly Canadians.
I lived near the Suffield Army base where military activites still go on - its where the British forces train. American Canadian and British troops trains together there.
The testing from 1958 to 1969 was REPORTED IN THE NATIONAL POST newspaper last October. Barely a riffle was created because people don't want to consider it at all, to scary and their little world will not be as pleasant if they poke their heads out of the sand.
the author was Stewart Bell, and he names Robert Remington as supplying the files.
Numerous attempts to get more info have failed. Please - ask these people to give up more info! The info was diseminated the day before the article as part of the Freedom of Information act, which lets info over 50 years old out of the bag. i have tried to request more info, got some stuff that just told about the chemical suits the soldiers wore, no details about the agents.
Crystaline Brucella Mycoplasma was mentioned. Read Dr. Garth Nicholson's writeups on this [patented] U.S. army agent[from EducateYourself links?].Its awful stuff, looks a lot like Chronic Fatigue symdrom or Fibromayalgia - the illnesses the medical people won't treat directly.

posted 05-02-2003 06:46 PM            

The shadow IS on the correct side. But the angle you are looking at it, makes it look like it is on the wrong side. If you were to look at the contrail from directly above, you would see the shadow on the right side. From the angle of the photo, it appears to be on the left side.

BUT NO ONE CAN TELL HIM THIS IF YOU BAN US.

posted 05-02-2003 07:08 PM            

well the most important point here is *they* are not listening anyway phx....

posted 05-02-2003 07:33 PM            

How am I full of crap? Why is trying to explain to someone why they are seeing somthing considered "crap"?

posted 05-02-2003 08:44 PM            

Whos the one who kicked out everyone with an opposing view from the main forum on the site? That doesnt seem childish to you? Im sorry for threadjacking, I didnt realize we had a thread about this until I wrote my first comment. But you guys kick us out of the main forum so you can blindly follow anything without our input, then you tell me I am whining when I complain that I cant get in. Im trying to keep inncoent people from reading chemmie rants, and thinking they are correct because no one has debunked them. If they think that, they will forever change the way they look at contrails. All because you guys cant understand how a freaking shadow works. Or how airways work. Or how the atmosphere in general works.

Innocent people dont deserve to be dragged into this theory. It will skew the way they view their one and only life.

posted 05-02-2003 08:50 PM            

>>But you guys kick us out of the main forum so you can blindly follow anything without our input, then you tell me I am whining when I complain that I cant get in.<<

This was Thermit's call in an effort to please the activists. It is his website to do with as he pleases. Can you respect that?

"Innocent" people can think for themselves IMO.

>>I didnt realize we had a thread about this until I wrote my first comment.<<

posted 05-03-2003 09:30 AM            

A guest/debunker section specifically for that purpose.

posted 05-03-2003 09:34 AM            

People come on here looking for an explaination for somthing they saw, and you are forcefully keeping the truth from getting to them. They could have learned that the spoke pattern they saw was caused by a VOR, and happily gone on their way knowing the truth, but without us in there innocent people are being told that what they are seeing is chemicals being sprayed by our government without question!

posted 05-03-2003 09:45 AM            

Oh PLEAAAAASE!

What a bunch of BS!

Many people don't trust the government....with good reason. This is HEALTHY and vital to FREEDOM.

Asking questions is also healthy. I don't see how you are being silenced. There are places in this forum for debunking...and plenty of people read it. I do.

At the same time...I see chemtrail believers barraged with personal attacks...just because they don't believe the debunkers theories.

The way I see it...science is a self-correcting process. I still believe that chemtrails exist but it is ultimately a secretive military endevor.

I don't think commercial pilots are in on it.

posted 05-03-2003 10:11 AM            

Correct. Its good to question the government. But that does NOT mean that you should latch onto a completely irrational theory just because of that. Regardless of how you feel about the government, the chemtrail thoery is completely absurd.

Asking questions is also healthy. I don't see how you are being silenced. There are places in this forum for debunking...and plenty of people read it. I do.

When someone has a question about "chemtrails", where do they go? Not the debunking forum, or the rumpus room, I'll tell you that. If you want people to know the truth, you have to give them access to that truth. Not make them run through hoops to find it.

At the same time...I see chemtrail believers barraged with personal attacks...just because they don't believe the debunkers theories.

That only occurs when chemmies become ignorant fools. If you would sit and listen respectfully, there wouldnt be a need for us to "return fire". A chemmie tells me to choke on my dinner and die in a car accident, and I am supposed to keep smiling and be nice to him? You get what you give.

The way I see it...science is a self-correcting process. I still believe that chemtrails exist but it is ultimately a secretive military endevor.

This isnt science! This site has the worst "science" I have ever sen in my life! I have seen better researching skills by a 3rd graders science fair project.

I don't think commercial pilots are in on it.

Ok, so you believe that somewhere there are hundreds and hundreds of military transports just waiting to be filled up with chems?

posted 05-03-2003 10:33 AM            

A lot of theories seem absurd.

Like how Iraq was a threat to the United States and how they had thousands of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" ready to destroy us at a moments notice.

I try to stick with what I can prove. So i'd say I don't have enough proof of the government's role in Chemtrails. I do know that there are black projects and a long history of this government screwing it's own population. Like I said I BELIEVE chemtrails exist.

I think the real truth will eventually be revealed.