posted 06-10-2003 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Hornblower:
Absolutely LooLoo! It would be nice if, instead of creeping low in the background, these airforce types would join the discussion openly and prove to their concerned citizens that they too care about what's happening. How about it Travis?

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They get banned, called every name there is,(like so-called pilots, CIA Agents, murderers, baby killers, etc) or asked if there is no truth to chemtrails, then why are they takeing time to refute them.

Many chemtrail activists rank military pilots somewhere between pond scum and child molesters. There are some like Jeanie that think all pilots are suspect and probably involved in some way.

You know how many time I have been insulted by chemtrail activists just for being a civilian pilot?

posted 06-11-2003 02:08 AM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
was that a department memo you read mr. blower

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posted 06-11-2003 05:30 AM            

If it's a secret topic, your AF will deny, deny and deny some more. The only way would be to get a Federal Government investigation started, that is to say someone with authority over the AF [their boss].

Any comments on that ChemCapt ?

posted 06-11-2003 05:46 AM            

It's all about you aren't happy until they admit something (whether it's true or not), and won't accept something being other than what you believe it to be.

posted 06-11-2003 05:52 AM            

Please stop this generalization of people.
You, yes you, are a quack.

quack, quack, quack ...

posted 06-11-2003 06:03 AM            

The fact is, the 'if you deny it it's true' is a common arguement I see, used by both chemtrail activists and loony activists like Mech.

posted 06-11-2003 08:39 AM            

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Originally posted by msu94:
Many chemtrail activists rank military pilots somewhere between pond scum and child molesters. There are some like Jeanie that think all pilots are suspect and probably involved in some way.

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I, for one, do not blame the military pilots for doing their job. The policy makers are the ones who need to wake up.

Have a look at the following url:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FIT203A.html

where it is written:

As for chemtrail skeptics, they might want to consult Rutgers University Political Science Professor Leonard Cole's book Clouds of Secrecy: The Army' s Germ Warfare Test Over Populated Areas. Chemtrail deniers are apparently happy with the thought that their beloved paternalistic government would engage in aerial spraying over densely populated areas.

[the "bunker boys" will love this one ]

and:

Skeptics who continue to insist the government would never be involved in secret aerial spraying, particularly in Ohio, may want to address their questions to the C-130 aircrews from the 910th Airlift Wing stationed at Youngstown's Air Reserve Station. In July 2000, an Air Force press release bragged, "Fifteen service members from military installations in Germany and England were at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, 8-12 May, learning how to use chemicals to destroy the enemy. The seven airmen and eight soldiers learned how to plan, execute and oversee the entire process of applying pesticides by air." The press release said the Youngstown air unit will only be used against "insects with their deadly diseases."

then, if you're still up to it, check out:

http://www.bariumblues.com/chemtrails_over_duluth.htm

where there is more info from Prof. Cole, for example:

"As described in my book, "Clouds of Secrecy", the army began a program in 1949 to assess the nation's vulnerability to attack with biological weapons. During the next 20 years, the army released simulant agents over hundreds of populated areas around the country. Targets included portions of Hawaii and Alaska, San Francisco, St. Louis, Minneapolis, New York City, Washington, D.C., Key West, and many other cities. The purpose was to see how the bacteria spread and survived as people went about their normal activities.

and some extra info about the Kucinich proposed bill HR2977 (Space Preservation Act of 2001) where the item "chemtrails" was mentioned:

This bill specifically listed chemtrails and described them as exotic weapons. However, in a new 2002 version of the bill, we find that the "chemtrails" language has disappeared. Unfortunately, the real implications here probably have a  "top secret", or "need to know" basis.

posted 06-11-2003 09:25 AM            

As for the 910th Airwing, what do you want to question them about? They have a website I believe, check them out.
C-130 aircraft would not be involved in the type of 'chemtrail' activitity we are talking about on this website.. So why do you even relate them? I mean, it is really an underhanded move.

In July 2000, an Air Force press release bragged, "Fifteen service members from military installations in Germany and England were at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, 8-12 May, learning how to use chemicals to destroy the enemy. The seven airmen and eight soldiers learned how to plan, execute and oversee the entire process of applying pesticides by air." The press release said the Youngstown air unit will only be used against "insects with their deadly diseases"

Sounds like someone trying to be funny . The 910th does aeriel spray operations, pestisides being the major. Thus the joke about 'learning to spray chemicals' at the 'enemy' (bugs).

Proof they like to try and be funny: http://www.af.mil/news/airman/0298/spray.htm

What the 910th does:

As you can obviously see, NOT what is attributed to 'chemtrails'.

910th Website: http://www.afrc.af.mil/910aw/Aerial%20Spray/AERIALSPRAY/index.htm

Moving on.

About the bill? Probably removed to give the bill a *remote* chance of passing, and to avoid political suicide.

posted 06-11-2003 11:25 AM            

Since then as has been discussed they apparently removed 'chemtrails' from the bill. I am guessing whoever had them added originally didn't actually know what they were and were lobbied into it.. 'chemtrails' as described wouldn't even be in space weapons!

posted 06-13-2003 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by graeme:
msu-
you're the first pilot I've been able to ask this (at least that I'm aware of): what do you say "chemtrails" are? How often do you fly, and do you come across what people consider 'chemtrails'? What are they to you?

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Well I did not invent the term, but I suppose "chemtrails" are trails from aircraft that persist longer than a few seconds, but also are anything that a chemtrail activist wants them to be, like aerodynamic contrails in humid air at lower speeds and low altitudes.

Right now I do not fly a lot, since I have been doing on an call pilot job. I am going to fly even less for a while as I temporarily will go fight forest fires on the ground. But I do have close to 3000 hours flight time so far.

Rarely have I ever heard of anyone in the aviation community who had heard the term, and if I did, they were making fun of the whole concept of chemtrails.

I have even done cloud seeding before too, which released small amounts of silver iodide too. But no, never seen any evidence of a government conspiracy to spray people.

posted 06-13-2003 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Hornblower:
I, for one, do not blame the military pilots for doing their job.

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Here we go again with the chemtrail activist belief that military personnel are just robots, carrying out orders without thought or concern.

Yes they are told to follow legal orders, but they are also not to follow illegal orders. They can and have been prosecuted for doing that.

There is no automatic blanket UCMJ immunity clause for when someone higher in rank told you to do something.